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Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
Originally Posted by Lissa:
I think benneh is a villager btw.
hmm
I definitely think that as a concept tends toward being wolfy, but I didn't get that vibe from her post; lemme look at it again
taking another look it doesn't feel like the like. SUPER wolfy version of what you're describing imo, the narrativeness is more intertwined into the read? kinda?
idk anything about the meta aspect of it though
I do agree about the narrowness, she does have some oddly narrow interpretations of benneh's behavior. I originally townread her for the like semi almost aggro-ness of parts of that benneh read and kinda for the sunbae read but the former is possibly a personality thing I'm calling villagery too easily I guess?
I quite like Lissa here for the way she got influenced by ladd's post. It feels like she genuinely realized something.I think benneh is a villager btw.
hmm
I definitely think that as a concept tends toward being wolfy, but I didn't get that vibe from her post; lemme look at it again
taking another look it doesn't feel like the like. SUPER wolfy version of what you're describing imo, the narrativeness is more intertwined into the read? kinda?
idk anything about the meta aspect of it though
I do agree about the narrowness, she does have some oddly narrow interpretations of benneh's behavior. I originally townread her for the like semi almost aggro-ness of parts of that benneh read and kinda for the sunbae read but the former is possibly a personality thing I'm calling villagery too easily I guess?
Originally Posted by didistetter:
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
@nebjiamn
@Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
If you’re doing it specifically so I have something to respond to don’t bother because I’m not going to respond to it, I think ur town and wasting both of our times and I’m not going to further indulge it by responding to your caseOk since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
@nebjiamn
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
@Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
Originally Posted by waza:
If you’re doing it specifically so I have something to respond to don’t bother because I’m not going to respond to it, I think ur town and wasting both of our times and I’m not going to further indulge it by responding to your case
why on earth did you spend one of your last two posts on thisIf you’re doing it specifically so I have something to respond to don’t bother because I’m not going to respond to it, I think ur town and wasting both of our times and I’m not going to further indulge it by responding to your case
obviously don't respond to this lol
Originally Posted by ladd:
Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
my read is more about like the specifics of HOW she did it but notedTaffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
I wouldnt lunch ender
Bit hard to say who id lunch given there is 2 0 posters but the more i think about it the more i dislike taffy's push so lettuce try
vote: totally not taffy
Bit hard to say who id lunch given there is 2 0 posters but the more i think about it the more i dislike taffy's push so lettuce try
vote: totally not taffy
I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there
Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there
I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there
Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first
Originally Posted by waza:
Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic
These are probs the players I’d want more info on
Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)
I don't really have a read on you even though you're saying a lot of words. Honestly, I'm still kinda eepy so I don't expect to be able to realtime enough between now and EoD to really make it worth it, unfortunately. But I was thinking, well, if there's some people waza isnt so sure on maybe I can kick something up and get a read on both of yall. Something like that!Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic
These are probs the players I’d want more info on
Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)
Originally Posted by didistetter:
hm.
I'm not just messing around for fun.
I'm also not yapping for yapping's sake.
This feels a little bit overly dismissive.
You said "i really don't want to die d1." that's useless to me b/c i never die d1. It's not something I need to want, b/c it doesn't happen.
The phrasing on that q to annika is kinda funky.
@ ben I read 209 and 210 but i don't really agree that taffy felt narratey. I'm considering cracking into a w!taffy scumrand to compare but ehhhhhh booo meta
115 116 idk this rlly isnt what id frame as wolfy commentary posting. It feels like taffy has underlying process
I'm going to become a roleplay gamer so i can start doing things like *tilts head in thought*, *looks at you quizzically*, *hums*.hm.
I'm not just messing around for fun.
I'm also not yapping for yapping's sake.
This feels a little bit overly dismissive.
You said "i really don't want to die d1." that's useless to me b/c i never die d1. It's not something I need to want, b/c it doesn't happen.
The phrasing on that q to annika is kinda funky.
@ ben I read 209 and 210 but i don't really agree that taffy felt narratey. I'm considering cracking into a w!taffy scumrand to compare but ehhhhhh booo meta
115 116 idk this rlly isnt what id frame as wolfy commentary posting. It feels like taffy has underlying process
I don't think we're communicating on the same level so I'm going to drop it.
Originally Posted by pzelda:
Good morning, I'm just catching up before heading to work.
I like this part from Maple. I think he's trying to find a possible villager in didi and that's a good look. I also wonder if he's heading somewhere with his discussion on being a good villager.
Because I disliked that Arctic chose it as one of posts to react to. My first impression of Arctic isn't very good.
She hates being called "didi" jsyk, her name is usually shortened to "Stett" (please ignore me calling her Didi S. Tutter)Good morning, I'm just catching up before heading to work.
I like this part from Maple. I think he's trying to find a possible villager in didi and that's a good look. I also wonder if he's heading somewhere with his discussion on being a good villager.
Because I disliked that Arctic chose it as one of posts to react to. My first impression of Arctic isn't very good.
And no, the games here are just chill and it's a perfectly good time for me to get some real input. It's something that's been on my mind with how hard my v games feel and how easy my w games are.
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
lol ive been trying to be consious of this and HAVE been trying to also post reads and contents alongside my pondering and lamentation just so I'm not unduly disrupting the game.lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
You're admittedly not missing much though!
Originally Posted by Lissa:
you just gotta have that confidence I think
fake it till you make it, or even if you never make it
(says the pot to the kettle)
I've worked on that a lot over the years, but really need to do more I think
I was talking in the mash about how wolves never kill me early anyway (which I mean me being alive within the context of certain ways the game was playing out was very wolfy so it was like a ~reasonable read for them to make anyway but that is a true thing) and it honestly kind of annoyed me when I thought about it, like I want to fix that??
confidence and the benefits of it are definitely so much easier as a wolf lol
yeah that's like, a big part of the aggro-ish thing I was talking about re: taffy
ye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.you just gotta have that confidence I think
fake it till you make it, or even if you never make it
(says the pot to the kettle)
I've worked on that a lot over the years, but really need to do more I think
I was talking in the mash about how wolves never kill me early anyway (which I mean me being alive within the context of certain ways the game was playing out was very wolfy so it was like a ~reasonable read for them to make anyway but that is a true thing) and it honestly kind of annoyed me when I thought about it, like I want to fix that??
confidence and the benefits of it are definitely so much easier as a wolf lol
yeah that's like, a big part of the aggro-ish thing I was talking about re: taffy
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
dumb read alert but I feel like taffy saying specifically that i was annoyed at sod with how interactions were going is interesting and possibly towny language for what i was doing
i think any number of wolves would choose to use less derisive language and instead call me aggressive or agenda'd but annoyed feels like it comes from towny moundset? they felt like my prodding was from a place of annoyance at what waza was doing but if taffy were wolf and knows the alignments of me and a few others and coming up with a fake read, would they choose 'annoyed'?
like lissa just espoused, the ladd and visor reads gave me some pause because i was also concerned i was doing that dumb thing where you give someone credit for pushing you too easily and it becomes a thing but both of them kinda 'a-ha!' agreeing about the narration/narrow mindedness of it kinda rubbe dme the wrong way. and moreso visor than ladd since ladd originated it.
i still think visor is towny for reasons related to what lissa linked a bit earlier in how he shaped his reads though so idk maybe he's right
u say words good im sheeping this (you're right that the read is dumb but fuck it we ball)dumb read alert but I feel like taffy saying specifically that i was annoyed at sod with how interactions were going is interesting and possibly towny language for what i was doing
i think any number of wolves would choose to use less derisive language and instead call me aggressive or agenda'd but annoyed feels like it comes from towny moundset? they felt like my prodding was from a place of annoyance at what waza was doing but if taffy were wolf and knows the alignments of me and a few others and coming up with a fake read, would they choose 'annoyed'?
like lissa just espoused, the ladd and visor reads gave me some pause because i was also concerned i was doing that dumb thing where you give someone credit for pushing you too easily and it becomes a thing but both of them kinda 'a-ha!' agreeing about the narration/narrow mindedness of it kinda rubbe dme the wrong way. and moreso visor than ladd since ladd originated it.
i still think visor is towny for reasons related to what lissa linked a bit earlier in how he shaped his reads though so idk maybe he's right
So while rereading the taffy opener looking at that last ben post, i got another look at stett's early posts and honestly? She looks a lot better on reread. In the context of her fucking around to get the ball rolling I think her handling of taffy opener and such looked good esp given what else was going on in the thread at the time.
Originally Posted by waza:
All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v
Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda
Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol
Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about
Balls on the table, I'm going to call waza v for SPECIFICALLY this post. His ISO in aggregate is still a PR that gets voted out in endgame.All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v
Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda
Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol
Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about
Upon review (literally just this post) I'm swinging the pendulum back. Annika wolf. I don't know what bees taste like, but it's on the menu.
okay the first half of this post was written like 3 hours ago or some shit, then i went to go play video games with my fwend, then i came back and started making a post then i went and combined them into one big post so gl reading it
Originally Posted by Lissa:
I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.
Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first
If I said:I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.
Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
who's neb
re: arctic, I'm not sure what alignment he is. part of me thinks he'd be a bit more something as a wolf? like I mean he was openly talking about it in the thread with maple earlier w/r/t confidence stuff but that was also like already my vibe about him, that he was a confident wolf. and I'm not seeing confident wolf here lol
but I'm a little sketched out about his visor read. the thing re: comparisons to other games is like a real thing I agree is often wolfy/something wolves do but his collective read feels... reductive? almost cherrypicky? about visor's posting
idk how serious I am about this but like a little bit anyway
afaik my village game is widely recognized as good, people respect my village game/consider me a good villager. Like not a SUPER ELITE villager, but people view me as pretty competent, and don't get me wrong I don't disagree, but like. I can also see to some extent what about my play results in my Not Getting Nightkilled Early, but I'm not like, quite sure how to fix it lol. I've worked over the years on presenting confidence and stuff but something is definitely missing.
agree?
disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree
but as I write this out I'm kinda like uh
surely something's not right here LMAO
but I'm a little sketched out about his visor read. the thing re: comparisons to other games is like a real thing I agree is often wolfy/something wolves do but his collective read feels... reductive? almost cherrypicky? about visor's posting
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)
villagery read lolRe: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)
idk how serious I am about this but like a little bit anyway
Originally Posted by Maple:
ye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.
yeah I think we have some similar issues with ~effective villaging~ and weirdly like after those last couple wolf games I wonder if I'm just a better wolf than villager now. It's interesting because WAY back in the day I did actually get nightkilled by wolves a lot more at a certain point in time, like I definitely had a string of getting N1ed/N2ed in mashes back in like 2016/2017 or something. and likeye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.
afaik my village game is widely recognized as good, people respect my village game/consider me a good villager. Like not a SUPER ELITE villager, but people view me as pretty competent, and don't get me wrong I don't disagree, but like. I can also see to some extent what about my play results in my Not Getting Nightkilled Early, but I'm not like, quite sure how to fix it lol. I've worked over the years on presenting confidence and stuff but something is definitely missing.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
agree, agree, agree, gun to head agree just kinda off thread vibesIf I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
agree?
disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree
but as I write this out I'm kinda like uh
surely something's not right here LMAO
I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
Ok cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far
nah, no need for drawing board revisiting yet it's very early still!
Originally Posted by Lissa:
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
Originally Posted by waza:
If you really want to then I can tryhard ig lol
What sparked this interest in you btw? Iirc in the signups of the game you said you were gonna be slanky, what changed? (It’s a welcome change and if more people were playing like you I probs wouldn’t need to play like the way I’m playing but yeah I’m curious)
no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.If you really want to then I can tryhard ig lol
What sparked this interest in you btw? Iirc in the signups of the game you said you were gonna be slanky, what changed? (It’s a welcome change and if more people were playing like you I probs wouldn’t need to play like the way I’m playing but yeah I’m curious)
nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.
Originally Posted by didistetter:
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
@nebjiamn
@Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
@nebjiamn
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
@Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Ok cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far
well I have come to the realization that I don't actually have any wolf readsOk cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far
and like
too many v reads for that to like
work
so uh
hm
thread feels really villagery imo
makes me think a wolf hasn't posted yet but that's obv kind of a jank read to make on a number of levels
ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat
arctic is a weird one
Originally Posted by Maple:
who's neb
benwho's neb
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
nah, no need for drawing board revisiting yet it's very early still!
yeah it is I just kind of already have too many villagers lmaonah, no need for drawing board revisiting yet it's very early still!
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
hm fair enough igi'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
yeah ultimately I think the type of confusing/weird stuff she has done isn't really a kind of weird that makes her a wolf or makes really much of ANY sense for her to actually do as a wolfre: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
it is possible I am giving the waza/stett stuff too much weight re: annika
iyam stuff like "x would be more aggressive/agendaed" as a wolf doesnt really work in org games (not sure how much they work in general tbh) as it would stick out as a sore thumb, esp d1
just a random thought
@Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them
to me artic most notable post was this:
just a random thought
@Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them
to me artic most notable post was this:
Originally Posted by Arctic:
meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<
the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way
i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure
but cant really say it made me lean 1 way or the other, just found it interestingmeh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<
the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way
i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure
nvm i figured it out
yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh
editors note: I've been writing out posts in tabs, then going back into hte thread and reading then opening new tabs, then gluing all those tabs together to put out posts, and when seeing how this one leads into the next leads me to realize that this is really frickin dumb. Am I going to stop? Absolutely not.
editors note part 2: to be clear i figured it out before lissa explicitly told me in the thread IM SMART AND CAN REVESRE LETTERS
I think I could take your general v list, if not based on my own or sheeped convictions, but just off of not exactly disagreeing. I don't really have much of a rational but I feel in my soul that ender is a villager here, and rankly im too eepy to substantiate it in this post. I'm freeballing v reads on nl, waza and -- let's say for the sake of argument -- Taffy. I'm generally null on Lissa here, she hasn't really bitten into the game much atp, but her vibes have been good (I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)
I'm not sure what the remaining playerlist looks like tbh and no other reads immedietly sprung to mind.
Reading lissa's response to you, I see how she feels that way. I think generally people itg have been posting ~well enough. Which is sorta problematic in it's own way lol
Honestly, I've gotten this far into this post and im not really sure what the point is LMAO
yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh
editors note: I've been writing out posts in tabs, then going back into hte thread and reading then opening new tabs, then gluing all those tabs together to put out posts, and when seeing how this one leads into the next leads me to realize that this is really frickin dumb. Am I going to stop? Absolutely not.
editors note part 2: to be clear i figured it out before lissa explicitly told me in the thread IM SMART AND CAN REVESRE LETTERS
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
(hi we haevnt really talked muich yet cause well i just have nt been around yet but hiiii!!!! (okay the difference between when im trying to be articulate in my writing and im just writing shit is staggering wtf is this LMAO))If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
I think I could take your general v list, if not based on my own or sheeped convictions, but just off of not exactly disagreeing. I don't really have much of a rational but I feel in my soul that ender is a villager here, and rankly im too eepy to substantiate it in this post. I'm freeballing v reads on nl, waza and -- let's say for the sake of argument -- Taffy. I'm generally null on Lissa here, she hasn't really bitten into the game much atp, but her vibes have been good (I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)
I'm not sure what the remaining playerlist looks like tbh and no other reads immedietly sprung to mind.
Reading lissa's response to you, I see how she feels that way. I think generally people itg have been posting ~well enough. Which is sorta problematic in it's own way lol
Honestly, I've gotten this far into this post and im not really sure what the point is LMAO
Originally Posted by annika:
I thought the fact that he townread Stett and immediately rescinded it was kinda townie lol
tbh I don't know why he TRs me but he's right that it seems like TMI on first impression so it might be something he avoids as a wolf
i don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugzeI thought the fact that he townread Stett and immediately rescinded it was kinda townie lol
tbh I don't know why he TRs me but he's right that it seems like TMI on first impression so it might be something he avoids as a wolf
Originally Posted by annika:
i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd thisi kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
Originally Posted by annika:
doesn't this imply you didn't rand v this game XD
doesn't this imply you didn't rand v this game XD
Originally Posted by annika:
well just like
if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.well just like
if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game
Originally Posted by annika:
atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae
I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn
there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae
I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range. i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time
wow i dislike annika a lot
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
you dont need to answer to this post but i dont think that was me who said that fwiw (think it was visor). I agree with you that their posts to manti arent good but u said it first in 1 of your early posts and i didnt wanna repeat stuffi know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
as a side note i do think stett should be a villager now
Originally Posted by Maple:
honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?
I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.
opining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale). honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?
I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.
so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me
ladd
benneh
pzelda
lissa
stett
waza
ender
sunbae
visor
_________________________________
maple
rask
dya
annika
taffy
arctic
no particular order, this is how i'd yolo divide the playerlist. some thin villa reads in the top tier and some people are null in the second tier
also not sure what annika odds are of being a wolf if waza is a villager cause he seemed very sure of his read there. prolly pretty low eheh
i'll be back after work. adieu
benneh
pzelda
lissa
stett
waza
ender
sunbae
visor
_________________________________
maple
rask
dya
annika
taffy
arctic
no particular order, this is how i'd yolo divide the playerlist. some thin villa reads in the top tier and some people are null in the second tier
also not sure what annika odds are of being a wolf if waza is a villager cause he seemed very sure of his read there. prolly pretty low eheh
i'll be back after work. adieu
Originally Posted by ladd:
iyam stuff like "x would be more aggressive/agendaed" as a wolf doesnt really work in org games (not sure how much they work in general tbh) as it would stick out as a sore thumb, esp d1
just a random thought
@Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them
to me artic most notable post was this:
but cant really say it made me lean 1 way or the other, just found it interesting
yeah I'm not really talking aggressive re: arctic just like confident but it's possibly still a situational thing regardlessiyam stuff like "x would be more aggressive/agendaed" as a wolf doesnt really work in org games (not sure how much they work in general tbh) as it would stick out as a sore thumb, esp d1
just a random thought
@Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them
to me artic most notable post was this:
but cant really say it made me lean 1 way or the other, just found it interesting
Originally Posted by Maple:
nvm i figured it out
yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh
oh abso freakin lutely lolnvm i figured it out
yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh
Originally Posted by Maple:
(I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)
i also feel the same in reverse and yet(I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
i don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugze
i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd this
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)
annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range.
i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time
wow i dislike annika a lot
it is possibly ~tmi about them being v/v who will both become obvious in time tbhi don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugze
i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd this
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)
annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range.
i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time
wow i dislike annika a lot
it would explain why she handled them in the way she did as a wolf, you're kinda right that it is weirdly uncritical
reading those posts over again i like them significantly less
the "last game i randed v" thing re maple was definitely like
idk, did she REALLY think that? like it's pretty standard stuff/language/wording for what maple was saying, i was confused at her reaction
ye i think that makes sense. you can create games with that unknown aspect being the entire central gimmick (for example, games which rand from a deck, or ones where you have alignment neutral flex slots) in general i try to get a general feel for things in that if on average people seem *good*, that means the lurkers are on average *bad*. Does that work well in reverse? eh...
idk if its just me but i ALREADY feel like the deadline is looming and it feels like i really ought to have a much better grip on the game atp especially if i wanna be able to coordinate anything resembling an effective wagon lol
idk if its just me but i ALREADY feel like the deadline is looming and it feels like i really ought to have a much better grip on the game atp especially if i wanna be able to coordinate anything resembling an effective wagon lol
Originally Posted by nebjiamn:
opining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale).
so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me
yeah i get it, kind of an incomplete picture that's impossible to complete i supposeopining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale).
so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me
it is definitely a bit awkward this game because i think a LOT of people are villagery so like whether dya and rask each come in and post really villagery or not is something i'd really like to like. know, because it will really impact my view of the game atp i think
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