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[dyachei]

waza seems unapologetically villager here. that's a strong read

[dyachei]

ok but I don't like annika's post 226.

I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?

this part to benneh feels like a wolfy walk back

[annika]

start with this one please @annika

in general, ig i'm just asking for like... a short paragraph on a couple slots. Maybe arctic and waza? I'm used to finding you through your analytical hedginess where you ovetthink and hedge but deliver really towny process and show how you're thinking through stuff.

And there isn't any of that so far this game :(

closest post was 165 which...... ngl it really doesn't feel like the quality of reads i'm used to from v!annika

not trying to say you're not towny enough to be town annika, god knows those reads are annoying, more so that you're assigning towncred to stuff I'm not used to you finding towny in wa way that feels more like retroactive justification that reflective of live thoughts

I'm not actually townreading Arctic yet :3

for Waza it's just 165 which you already linked. on another note his angle on Rask is really fuckin townie lol, like actively wolfreading someone who's 0 posting is really unorthodox to the point where I don't think he does it as mafia

for Taffy I just really liked her opening posts, her read on Ben was pretty against the grain at the time and it seemed like she had a good worldview. her read on Sunbae felt good to me too bc it was kinda like, "I didn't read this the same way as you did which makes me feel weird" which is just inherently a villagery process. idt I'd vote her today

you shouldn't really be expecting more analysis from me in a light game. also you shouldn't meta read me lol, people SUCK at meta reading me unless it's literally "she killed a wolf? town". just trust Waza's read bb~

[didistetter]

A grasshopper walk into a bar.
The barman looks at him and says,
“Did you know there’s a drink named after you?”
“Really?”, says the grasshopper. “You’ve got a drink named Taffy?”

A cat walks into a bar.
The bartender says, "what'll you have?"
The cat says, "A shot of tequila."
The bartender pours the cat their drink.
The cat slowly pushes the shot off the table. "Another."

A bee flies into a bar;
The barkeep says “Wow bee, uh what can I get you?”
The bee orders a half drop of mead.
The barkeep finds an eye dropper and dispenses her order.
Full of curiosity the barkeep asks “So do bees drink a lot?”
The bee replies, “No… just enough to get a buzz on”


A bee, a cat, and a grasshopper walk into an italian bar.
The barkeep says: "Wait are you the mafia?"
The trio says: "Shots all round!!!!"

[ladd]

Id need to see benneh murder someone in front of my eyes to ever believe he is a wolf this game.


@Visor get on taffy

[Visor]

Id need to see benneh murder someone in front of my eyes to ever believe he is a wolf this game.


@Visor get on taffy

vote: taffy smh

[dyachei]

town's looking something like:

Lissa
Stett
Waza

Ben

concerns:
sunbae

not sure where to put: taffy, annika

[dyachei]

i keep seeing sus on taffy but i'll be honest, I didn't get much from the posts

I'm gonna go back and read them now

[didistetter]

just trust Waza's read bb~

why would you think i would trust waza's read when i demonstrably don't even trust waza?

i'm not asking why you tr arctic, ik you don't have an expressed tr on him. i'm asking if you could walk through your thoughts/reactions to arctic's initial burst of posting

"waza's opener was wolfie which i thought was towny b/c wolves dont want to sound wolfie" isn't moving the needle for me.

From what i can tell your reasoning for your tr on waza is:
1. he tr me (stett) then immediately rescinded it
2. his opener was wolfy
3. He voted/pushed/wolfread a 0 poster
4. He's too "unorthodox"/is playing in a way mafia would avoid.


Dunno.

Doesn't rlly feel like how town make reads on town to me

[dyachei]

i keep seeing sus on taffy but i'll be honest, I didn't get much from the posts

I'm gonna go back and read them now

I can see why taffy is getting voted I just don't feel strongly about it

[annika]

Id need to see benneh murder someone in front of my eyes to ever believe he is a wolf this game.

@Visor get on taffy

hmm
he's kinda wolfie tho imo

not really just for his scumread on me—specifically saying he thinks Arctic and I are a diff check in 336 doesn't track for me when Arctic and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV

he says he's not sure why he thinks that, which is fair, but it's still odd to me

[annika]

why would you think i would trust waza's read when i demonstrably don't even trust waza?

i'm not asking why you tr arctic, ik you don't have an expressed tr on him. i'm asking if you could walk through your thoughts/reactions to arctic's initial burst of posting

"waza's opener was wolfie which i thought was towny b/c wolves dont want to sound wolfie" isn't moving the needle for me.

From what i can tell your reasoning for your tr on waza is:
1. he tr me (stett) then immediately rescinded it
2. his opener was wolfy
3. He voted/pushed/wolfread a 0 poster
4. He's too "unorthodox"/is playing in a way mafia would avoid.


Dunno.

Doesn't rlly feel like how town make reads on town to me

I don't have many thoughts. I don't agree on Visor but idk his reasoning is like okay, maybe very lightly villagery but I'm not including him on a town list just for what he's posted so far

it is how a town makes reads on town. I've made this type of read before and been right :3 also it's not just that but his expectation to be townread that feels townie to me lol

I'm actually going to go a step further and ask you to trust me on Waza, I think I can read him pretty well in normal games (maybe idk XD)

[annika]

vote: nebjiamn

[dyachei]

vote: nebjiamn

why?

[ladd]

hmm
he's kinda wolfie tho imo

not really just for his scumread on me—specifically saying he thinks Arctic and I are a diff check in 336 doesn't track for me when Arctic and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV

he says he's not sure why he thinks that, which is fair, but it's still odd to me

That seems like pretty micro stuff (he said he doesnt know why but he thinks u/artic are a difference check) compared to how villagery he has been in like...all of his posts and he had a ton of them and a ton of content

[annika]

I just reread Arctic's posts and eh yeah just erase the smol town lean I had, he's completely null

meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<

the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way

i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure

@Arctic how does that lend credence to what you're saying? you think Visor went "I'm only going to towntell once. after that I will stop trying to towntell. peak wolfing"? isn't it kinda the opposite? xD

also @didistetter considering you don't like my reasons for TRing Waza, what do you think of this post?

i think annika townread waza for the correct reason on page 1

i think he made too many reads too early for not great reasons in a way that wolf him would generally avoid

i'm townreading them both for this but mainly waza

[annika]

why?

That seems like pretty micro stuff (he said he doesnt know why but he thinks u/artic are a difference check) compared to how villagery he has been in like...all of his posts and he had a ton of them and a ton of content

if I TR him it's mostly for his body of work and general activity yeah

truthfully since the start of the game he's been the TR I've felt the worst about, even more than Sunbae who I just townread for one pure post basically eheh

and I really couldn't put my finger on why, something just felt off—maybe just a silly feeling but it kind of...kept me from including him on lists ig even though I couldn't really explain it

the diff check thing kinda helps me put words to an otherwise inexplicable scumlean since it's something tangible that I dislike. I recognise it's kind of a micro thing yeah

oh also sorry for not acking this earlier, but I saw your response to my Q about Ben being the N1 o7
you seem lightly townie maybe

[annika]

@Arctic sorry for the double ping but I'd like some thoughts on beanneh when you get the chance :3

I like Visor's read on me and that's my main reason for TRing him atm, but also I think he dropped his townread on me at a reasonable time for a villager and it doesn't really feel opportunistic to me

(my 2c on your Visor WR)

[annika]

Dya seems light v too based on how they're catching up, I think the way they read Taffy and I makes sense given both of our thread positions. like they don't really understand the suspicion but they're hesitant to solidify a read on either of us

so I'm at

Townreads:
Waza/Stett/pzelda/Taffy

Townleans:
Dya/Ladd/Lissa/Visor/Sunbae

PoE:
Ben/Maple/Arctic (<- this is my current guess for the team atm) /Rask/Ender

honestly this feels pretty good to me, I probably don't have the exact team lol but it does feel like these 5 names prob have at least 2 wolves?

[dyachei]

Dya seems light v too based on how they're catching up, I think the way they read Taffy and I makes sense given both of our thread positions. like they don't really understand the suspicion but they're hesitant to solidify a read on either of us

so I'm at

Townreads:
Waza/Stett/pzelda/Taffy

Townleans:
Dya/Ladd/Lissa/Visor/Sunbae

PoE:
Ben/Maple/Arctic (<- this is my current guess for the team atm) /Rask/Ender

honestly this feels pretty good to me, I probably don't have the exact team lol but it does feel like these 5 names prob have at least 2 wolves?

honestly, I think you need to move ben up. idk about maple, arctic (I always want him to be wolf), rask or ender, but I think you're wrong on ben and I can't really express why

[annika]

honestly, I think you need to move ben up. idk about maple, arctic (I always want him to be wolf), rask or ender, but I think you're wrong on ben and I can't really express why

I'll unvote for now
vote: Maple

[pzelda]

Ok, just checking in, I should be more active in 3 hours. I quite like Lissa now, but I also admit I skipped some of her posts. I think I quite like dya. Other than that the last few hours feel like mostly towns talking and wolves being mostly quiet.. like max 1 wolf in the active conversation and towns trying to solve.

[nebjiamn]

this entire post is way more nitpicky than anything I've posted today. your read on my comment on Maple is completely overblown considering it was one offhanded comment that I never even pursued

saying that's nitpicky is completely making mountains out of molehills

for the record, i don't think me calling out your post on manti as nitpicky is making mountains out of molehills. that post is demonstrably and objectively nitpicky. you were overly critical of a grammatical error that was relatively easily explained if you put a second of thought to it.

if you want to say that the basis for my wolfread is what 'making mountains out of molehills' is that might be that could be more fair fypov, but those posts are just how i was trying to express why i found you wolfy, but its not all encompassing.

same thing for asking Ladd why he thought you'd be N1'd—like what is your problem with that exactly? how is that wolfie at all? it feels youre seeing me towntell and blanket calling it a wolf thing, it's so strange

i don't find that to be a townie question borne out of curiosity, and i'm really confused with this second sentence because i quite literally haven't seen you towntell? that's why I wrote the post in question--i had to illicit my read on you into some form of digestible content for others because if the posts I quoted weren't snadwiched between a bunch of things i town tell, i probably wouldn't be picking nits, but as it was like, most of your content up to that point i felt it was worth putting on paper.

it's the same for this; I'm confused why you find this wolfie? like what does strategically even mean in this post aha
(and ftr yeah I'm moving you down now)

tbf this is a gamestate read highly likely to be confbiased, but the placement and timing just feels sus to me

(and fair enough)

[Arctic]

Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)

what was the thought process here

[Arctic]

If I said:

my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd

my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa

my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic


how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on

why are you townreading ladd?

i'm intrigued by how you are the only other person suspecting visor rn but you aren't alarmed by the gamestate sort of handing him out townreads for free

[Maple]

I'll unvote for now
vote: Maple

I don't think you've really talked about me at all, really. What are you feeling?

[Arctic]

Vote: annika

i think i'm spiritually ok with a yeet on taffy. i'd vote there atp but i also wana vote annika.

if ender's town he could be right on arctic, especially if i'm wrong on annika (i'm not sure why but my brain is parsing arcy/annika as somewhat of a diff check). arctic is, for lack of a better word, a bit LACKING, in comparison to some of his other org games but meh. some of his posting is alright too.

gn little meow meows ily

stett carry me tomorrow pls ty

i don't really think annika is a wolf and i don't think taffy is either

i really don't like the direction this game is going in

i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here

i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.

[waza]

last post, idk if ill be here for sod since i'll be working but yeah ill keep this short and sweet

i felt in a similar position to where lissa was last couple of pages but much earlier, where most of the thread seemed towny enough and there were still 2 zero posters. so that usually means 1 of 2 things. the first being a zero poster has a wolf or two, or that ive already miscleared due to being too rash. so i figured, lets rule out the first possibility

so i decide to just loltunnel rask. rask from my experience has been a fairly easy read, and i think in particular the way he responds to pushes i would be able to get something very AI off it. and i figured that town!rask opening the thread to see me tunneling him before he gets into the game would respond quite differently than wolf!rask. ive used stuff like this on people like creature before and it works out quite well. well enough and its much quicker than waiiting for a late comer to adjust themselves into the game and slowly backread everything. this is short and quick and gets me results within minutes, so i like it. but rask has been away for too long that its useless now and maybe even rand v sadly that they arent here but lets not get into that, i wont reward it anyways and would gladly vote them out even if they are in rand v territory now. this sequence leads into some thoughts i have on ben and lissa but ill come back to that

Sunbae

i wanna talk about this first since its probs one of my best guesses for a wolf atm. (im probs never voting here d1 anyways because i love sunbae and wanna play with them since ive never gotten to play longform with them so im happy for them to stick around even if i think theyre a wolf lol)

so like if i didnt know any better and briefly looked at sunbaes posts id say there is towny nuance, theres nothing that stands out as wolfy, and no shitposting. and ironically this is part of what makes sunbae a wolf. because if they were town it would be the opposite imo, atleast from turbos in what i seen i expect more shitposts, and much less towny nuance this early. so then i decided to have a deeper look and then i could see the wolf angle too.

taffy already brought up some concerns there so i wont double up on the stuff taffy said in regards to sunbaes comments to lissa. which yeah are wolfy because yeah the implication was fairly straight forward and if taffy who wasnt in the mash felt the same then that takes away credence from it being something that only the mash players would have gotten.

anyways: lets look at something sunbae said

"This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf "

i actually dont find this thought to be something that fits in what was actually happening at the time. go back to the page and post for yourselves and read the context in which it was said.

it just simply doesnt fit and feels out of place (similar to their post about ben only being a wolf if sunbae is a wolf because it doesnt make sense. they havent played partnery at all, in fact ben has slightly sussed sunbae and i doubt he would do that as w/w imo they probs would just shield and buddy and powerwolf together)

and like it has the mindset of thinking about things that will clear them which is something that i more often see leak into their posting from wolves

and ironically enough sunbae accused me of playing to be trd in something i said what my stett reversal but imo this post and their play in general fits that much more

because sunbae gets trd for this ....and then just dips

they dont really stick around or banter the same way i see them do as town, their posting patterns just feel like something who is playing to be townread, and i dont seee a villagery interest in trying to parse others or interact with them as much

their reads list they gave later also felt wolf shaped but i cant articulate why, just that some of the standings felt somewhat arbitrary and almost feels a bit too fleshed out relative to how much they have been here and their relative output into the thread

Taffy


errr this isnt my second top sr, so dont take this as ordered. i just felt like talking about them second

well their sr on ben felt forced, i already said that in the thread. it felt like they were approaching the read with the destination in mind and just working in every way they could to make sure they reach that goal.

and then they say

"Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything

See you later I guess "


and in a vacuum its maybe towny but at the same time it puts off the idea that they were keen to interact with others but that feels somewhat juxtaposed with them going straight into their benneh push.

errr its a minor point but it just felt odd

though to their credit they were the first to call out sunbae so maybeeeeeeeeee not partners but id be shocked if both are v

Ben and Lissa

im pooling them both together because they both did something that was incredibly strange

so ill preface this by saying that if i ignore everything else then ben has been super villagery. i do think 99/100 times someone approach the game the way ben has this game theyre just town.

BUT

in a world where me annika and stett are all town i am pinged by the fact that he hasnt managed to find any of us 3 this game given he has a really good read on all 3 of us. the caveat is i think annika and stett are defs sandbagging somewhat and im being weird so maybeeeeeeee its excusable but idk

ANYWAYS

what i really didnt like was when he hypothesized my play only makes sense if im in a hood with rask.

which is just absurd.

i mean absurd things like these are generally rand>>>>v

but cmon that seriously cant be the only scenario in which u would think i would act this way. esp since u and lissa have seen me do this before. ben even saw me do it to santy 2 mashes back (santy was wolf vig so i sniped him hehe get rekd santy) and lissa saw me play a game last mash where i call out zero posters. so both of them know first hand i will do stuff like this, so for them to be so confused and taken back by it didnt sit right

BUT

for ben i can somewhat rationalise it. i think ben is trying to force himself to be annoyed at my gameplay. okay maybe forced isnt the right word, i think he probs is annoyed at it. and hes trying to find reasons to justify to himself to vote me because deep down he knows my play isnt wolfy. but he wants to convince himself its okay to vote me, so he tells himself that the only way my play is acceptable is that if im in a hood with rask, so if im not then he can justify himself that its okay to policy me for my play. ive caught myself doing that to others before, and i think that in of itself makes ben reallllllly towny if thats the case, but even if it is he may not realise it so yeah ill never really know

tldr bens theory was really off

but then lissa sees the same theory and agrees that its the only possible explanation.

and i think thats much worse from lissas end because its harder for me to justify for her to come to that conclusion

and lissa has fanned the flames on people catching heat in times where i think a wolf would

like shes shaded me a bunch when i think a wolf would, she did the same to ender, kinda did the same to stett and annika. idk she just seems to piggyback off people shading others at times i expect a wolf to do so. but i do think shes more holistically townier than the game i saw her wolf in. and maybe she just is that kind of player thats plays off others so ill just sit and watch for now



THE REST


Ladd could be the evil counterpart to me that lissa is to ben

in that yeah maybe there is a non zero chance that if im wolfsiding and being a bad villa that ladd is capitalizing off it as a wolf in the same way that i think lissa may be if shes a wolf and ben is town

but thats mostly conjecture so ill leave it be and i do think ladd has done everything id expect from town!him to do even if im sure that if he really wanted to he could emulate that to fool me

arctic is okay, idk i can see him being a wolf. just havent had any aha this is defs a villa moments. i dont like he automatically dismissed what i had to say about visor by implying i dont know visors wolf game without first asking me what experience i have with wolf!visor. i dont like that hes waffly on stett, if his main sr is visor then stett should be a freebie tr for him since shes obv not with visor. so yeah that doesnt sit right. him having me as town was pingy too but i think he knows i get paranoid of him when he trs me so maybe him being wild enough to say im his top town is like too outrageous for him to say as a wolf. i kinda liked his reaction to enders omgus

zelda we all know is town but may get voted later anyways if game is hard and people start doing dumb stuff because they dont know what to do. maybe id be one of them heh

annika has been naughty. but not in a wolfy way. shes still town, but has been playing lazy and hence naughty for it. ill give some free meta on her - or a snippet. lazy annika is always town annika, shes never lazy as a wolf.

err ender i could be wrong on but i wanna yolo him v. will re-eval if i have to

stett i regret my reaction to her saying she would case me. in hindsight id like to have seen the case because i think i would be able to undeniably lock her town for it if the case was bad but believable enough lol. i know ive lock towned her a bunch already but i keep flip flopping right after i say it, i think partly of it is because it feels like most of her solving has to do with me or asking everyone their read on me when she interacts. hard to believe shes that tunneled but if i look outside her play around me and her sod dip i do think shes been towny and would say shes town >90% of the time here

maple i think im biased this game because they keep randing wolf to the point where i dont want them to get away with it this game if theyre a wolf, so i imagine i would be quite hard on them if i were to read them. so i havent done so much, but errrr they feel lost in a towny way if i had to force a read

visor i liked his reactions to things. doesnt seem forced. could be someone i cleared easily but for now im treating him ladd annika stett ben zelda and maybeeeeee ender as town and seeing where that gets me

[ladd]

town's looking something like:

Lissa
Stett
Waza

Ben

concerns:
sunbae

not sure where to put: taffy, annika

Whats your concerns about sunbae?

[Arctic]

I just reread Arctic's posts and eh yeah just erase the smol town lean I had, he's completely null



@Arctic how does that lend credence to what you're saying? you think Visor went "I'm only going to towntell once. after that I will stop trying to towntell. peak wolfing"? isn't it kinda the opposite? xD

also @didistetter considering you don't like my reasons for TRing Waza, what do you think of this post?

it's not that he would elect to stop posting towny things as wolf, but more the fact it hasn't been a consistent trend is the concern because if he was a villager who genuinely came up with towny thoughts like that i would expect to see more of them being naturally formed and posted by now

@Arctic sorry for the double ping but I'd like some thoughts on beanneh when you get the chance :3

I like Visor's read on me and that's my main reason for TRing him atm, but also I think he dropped his townread on me at a reasonable time for a villager and it doesn't really feel opportunistic to me

(my 2c on your Visor WR)

...wdym it's not opportunistic?? i squinted hard at that lmao. like this take feels so silly to me. it's the type of read that you'd look at in post game and go "how was i so silly to townread a wolf for that". i'm kinda dumbfounded by this. i don't know if it's wilful ignorance but like. i think you're pushing villagers and townreading wolves