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[EnderWiggin]

I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why

The tragedy doth write itself.

[EnderWiggin]

just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture

rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v

lol

think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here

[EnderWiggin]

Lissa gets to be sus because after all that review to come out with a "Oops all towrneads" feels kinda bad.

[EnderWiggin]

I guess this read gets to be blunted slightly by self-awareness from Lissa.

[EnderWiggin]

I still won't lock Maple but I think there's enough of a thought that makes sense behind the whirlwind of self remonstration about towngame that I'm willing to give a pass for now.

Problem is that it's the kind of thing that could be real and not fake but still come from a wolf so shrug.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm gonna say that Visor's contributions have felt in Visor town towan so I'll take that as town for now.

[pzelda]

Ok, I'm on a bus for next 14 hours. That means I have time to read and post. Also, I'm on my phone and this site is 't phone friendly. I'm going to reread the thread first and maybe react to some comments. Don't expect walls of quotes from me. I also find the arctic's return spicy, because that player isn't towny IMHO. I wouldn't mind taffy/arctic wagons rn, but returning to taffy's posts first might be a good idea.
Some other initial thoughts. I like Bennet's posts more than waza's now. In some of them I could spot what seemed to be a genuine thought process. I quite like Lissa and Day now. I have the slightest townlean on Ender for their posts being blunt. It's like Ender doesn't really care about getting wolfread. Stett doesn't feel so good to me, but I'm willing to sheep Ladd on them for now. I'm also intrigued by sunbae wolf leans.

[ladd]

Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager

[ladd]

Also idk if benneh knows postcap is not lifted at eod so he is stuck with that vote i think (dont quote me on that)


See ya in dvc. Gg

[pzelda]

Reading the first pages again I notice more nuance and some posts I skimmed over. That means:
1. Lissa had a towny second post
2. Mantis is towny enough tbh
3. Anima's interactions are kinda meh and I'm starting to see Ben's point of view.
5. And tbh I also see why some people dislike Sunbae. The first post was a shade and they were mostly joining on friendly convo later on.
6. Not super keen on waza not being a fan of a chill game.
7. I find Stett's reentrance on page 4 mildly towny.
8. I feel better about taffy tbh. I wouldn't call them town but I don't want to vote them anymore.
9. Waza's comment "why are you questioning someone I find towny" doesn't sit well with me
10. Visor kind of getting free town reads for townreading
11. Waza prolly town (around page 6). It looks like he genuinely enjoyed being in the thread posting and taking stances.
12. I want to reread taffy again because of Ladd's take and Visor agreeing.
13. Eight pages in I could se Annika/Sunbae/Arctic

[pzelda]

lying wolf spotted

Weird interaction

[pzelda]

I should probably make this post after my next one, but i don't think either of these are particularly reliable. i think you are getting caught up a bit in how you fit into the narrative here and it's clouding your judgement. you don't really know if visor plays the same way as you do as a wolf, nor do you know he would have a burning desire to prove himself if he randed wolf again. he could be dejected from randing wolf yet again in an org game lol, who knows. i think these are unsafe assumptions. and there wasn't really much momentum against you at all - it was just stett, so ya i don't really see it

in fact i guess i may as well just explain it while i'm here rather than my next post, but visor is my biggest suspect atm. i think he navigated a lot of the early discourse in a wolfy/hands off way. i particularly don't like his posts about stett. i don't think he is really trying to address any issues he has with her play and it instead feels like sewing seeds of doubt by egging on discussions waza and benneh had about potentially suspicious things she did, and he just responded by calling it wolfy or whatever. the actual meat felt, not great too - like "her opener felt like lissa's in the anon game where she was as wolf" - okay, sure, i just find that wolves tend to make random comparisons like this more often when in reality it's pretty detached from the circumstances of this game. just feels meh to me. read on annika is fine but comes across in a way that feels like he's trying to look villagery, not really holding this bit against him, it's mainly the stett treatment that i don't like

as for stett herself, i'm not really sure yet, tonally i think this is her town game even though i don't.. really see eye to eye with her rn but i'm willing to let that cook. i do think waza is the most obvious villager itg and that is her biggest push so. uh. yea. i hope she sees the light. if i'm right about that, anyway

I strongly dislike this post. There's so much dirt and the wolves tend is just howling IMHO.

[pzelda]

I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in

on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.

More meta, vague sand generic notes and more of shading tbh

[Visor]

I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager

I don't feel super compelled to kill him (I won't be voting him today most likely)

I am just noting a thought

I'd be more down to kill stett, arctic, taffy, Annika

[Visor]

Where are you at rn ladd

[pzelda]

I admit this looks bad, but I want to vote either Arctic or Sunbae now.

Vote: Arctic

[pzelda]

Where are you at rn ladd

I lean town, but they also feel like they're holding back.Benneh is a more likely N1 kill.

[Maple]

I had a dream that I was in Japan and it was snowing and everyone was skating down the sidewalk and I had to turn around but I couldn't because I didn't want to get in anyone's way

Also inexplicably stett and Michelle were there, so this is probably evidence of continued mashbrain

[pzelda]

Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt

Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh

Just my 2 cents tho

I guess you're asking because of this?

[Sunbae]

I dont get it tbh

Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting

This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager

nah i kinda figured this game would go this way. it was my mistake for signing up for a mafia game when i do not care about mafia (i just wanted to vibe with the playerlist)

best of luck to yall, wont be back today. reads are pretty similar as they were earlier

Vote: Arctic

[pzelda]

i don't really think annika is a wolf and i don't think taffy is either

i really don't like the direction this game is going in

i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here

i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.

This reads kind of genuine.

[Sunbae]

actually vote: dyachei

but they are both probs woofs

[pzelda]

Vote: Sunbae



50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped

town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza

towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei

sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it

null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov

nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad

concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika


i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm

Ladd wolf is interesting.
Ben having taffy so low makes double guess myself again. Annika feels like the most consistent and confident read.
Ender and Arctic reads are also something to think about. Yeah, I also kind of like arctic's later posts, but the earlier ones are just bad IMHO. I'm not sure if I should vote them or not now. I guess I want to see even more posts from then. The ender take feels a little bit lazy but valid.
Also I locked Benneh town.

[pzelda]

The thing with evil ender is - would he jump on Arctic for Wolfy posts about Visor? Totally.

[pzelda]

I'm just coming back to this and honestly like still don't like it. He was basically shading my approach while qualifying it with "Idk if I'm being uncharitable" (he was) and then when called out by me he was like "Yeah I knew it was uncharitable".

Like? If you know a read is uncharitable (and therefore probably not the most likely to have accuracy joined hand in hand in holy matrimony) why make the read? It basically throws unclear and useless information into the field of play.

Someone is gonna have to prybar me off this vote today unless I see something even worse.

Because this isn't a good post.

[pzelda]

actually vote: dyachei

but they are both probs woofs

Bad vote tbh

[dyachei]

ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it

and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much

[pzelda]

Ok I'm at Annika/Sunbae/Ender/Taffy/Ladd for the bottom five actually. I don't want to vote Ladd and I have mixed feelings about Taffy. With Annika and Ender I might be sleeping Benneh to much atm. Sunbea just dropped a rather bad vote. Day v btw.

Vote: Sunbae

I will try to explain moves in my reads after a short break.

[dyachei]

Ok I'm at Annika/Sunbae/Ender/Taffy/Ladd for the bottom five actually. I don't want to vote Ladd and I have mixed feelings about Taffy. With Annika and Ender I might be sleeping Benneh to much atm. Sunbea just dropped a rather bad vote. Day v btw.

Vote: Sunbae

I will try to explain moves in my reads after a short break.

i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me

[Visor]

Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic