Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Arctic]

Anyway... I don't know what I should be doing here because I don't really want to harp on about how I don't like the state of the game even though that's how I feel. You guys know each other better than I do and you are better players than me so I should just accept that a world where all of you guys are incorrectly pushing each other isn't that likely. But it's still just nagging at me, because if all my individual reads on the consensus POE players are correct, then I think that is the world we are living in. And I feel kind of powerless to prove it right now because people don't find my arguments convincing. I can't even blame you because hell, I don't really find them convincing either, I feel like a lot of it is intuition. And I don't think I went a very good way about expressing my suspicion on Visor. But that doesn't make him town, nor does it make my other reads wrong. The other reason I feel powerless to do much is because of the interpersonal dynamics here people are unwilling to vote out certain people on Day 1 (i.e. "give them a day"). But in truth, I'd happily vote out ladd today over anyone in the consensus PoE. I think his only saving grace is if Taffy is a wolf, but I don't really see it. That said, I might vote her anyway if nobody wants anything else - just for this reason. This will almost surely get me wolfread tomorrow, but I don't really know what choice I have if I'm just voting amongst people I think are town except to vote the one who I townread less than the others

[ladd]

Anyway... I don't know what I should be doing here because I don't really want to harp on about how I don't like the state of the game even though that's how I feel. You guys know each other better than I do and you are better players than me so I should just accept that a world where all of you guys are incorrectly pushing each other isn't that likely. But it's still just nagging at me, because if all my individual reads on the consensus POE players are correct, then I think that is the world we are living in. And I feel kind of powerless to prove it right now because people don't find my arguments convincing. I can't even blame you because hell, I don't really find them convincing either, I feel like a lot of it is intuition. And I don't think I went a very good way about expressing my suspicion on Visor. But that doesn't make him town, nor does it make my other reads wrong. The other reason I feel powerless to do much is because of the interpersonal dynamics here people are unwilling to vote out certain people on Day 1 (i.e. "give them a day"). But in truth, I'd happily vote out ladd today over anyone in the consensus PoE. I think his only saving grace is if Taffy is a wolf, but I don't really see it. That said, I might vote her anyway if nobody wants anything else - just for this reason. This will almost surely get me wolfread tomorrow, but I don't really know what choice I have if I'm just voting amongst people I think are town except to vote the one who I townread less than the others

Explain why i am wolfy without saying u disagree with my reads

[Arctic]

Explain why i am wolfy without saying u disagree with my reads

It's not just that I disagree with your reads but rather you aren't willing to even so much as look in the direction of where I think wolves are

[Arctic]

Also, I think dya is definitely town - the post where they say they wouldn't vote Sunbae on day 1 if he was a wolf felt extremely genuine to me. if you are a town and suspect someone you like sometimes you can't stop yourself from pushing there if you think it's best for the game. but as a wolf you can be much more liberal with your options on day 1. i wholeheartedly believe this is what's going on here even if i'm a fool to do so
@Sunbae if you do end up coming back, would you agree? If I told you me and dya are 2 villas, where would you look? You can still talk to me about Visor. I think you could be town

[Visor]

Talk to me about ladd arctic

[Totally not Taffy]

Also, I think dya is definitely town - the post where they say they wouldn't vote Sunbae on day 1 if he was a wolf felt extremely genuine to me. if you are a town and suspect someone you like sometimes you can't stop yourself from pushing there if you think it's best for the game. but as a wolf you can be much more liberal with your options on day 1. i wholeheartedly believe this is what's going on here even if i'm a fool to do so
@Sunbae if you do end up coming back, would you agree? If I told you me and dya are 2 villas, where would you look? You can still talk to me about Visor. I think you could be town

You are contradicting yourself here Arctic

You say Dyachei is town for not wanting to vote Sunbae D1 even though you go on to explain that it's towny to vote out your friends if you think they're wolves but wolves can afford to be more liberal.

What is it you're actually trying to say?

Taffy (23)

[Arctic]

Talk to me about ladd arctic

i don't really have anything else to say

i think other players have been townier and i disagree with his reads

You are contradicting yourself here Arctic

You say Dyachei is town for not wanting to vote Sunbae D1 even though you go on to explain that it's towny to vote out your friends if you think they're wolves but wolves can afford to be more liberal.

What is it you're actually trying to say?

Taffy (23)

there is not a contradiction here, i'm saying as a wolf you can choose to make up a wolfread on a different villager or push an existing villager wagon. but dya basically started the sunbae train. with what they're saying, i fully believe this wouldn't happen if they were a wolf

[ladd]

You are contradicting yourself here Arctic

You say Dyachei is town for not wanting to vote Sunbae D1 even though you go on to explain that it's towny to vote out your friends if you think they're wolves but wolves can afford to be more liberal.

What is it you're actually trying to say?

Taffy (23)

idk maybe i am tunneled but wolfy post chief

Et tu, ladd?

[Totally not Taffy]

idk maybe i am tunneled but wolfy post chief

No it's not.

Your turn again

Taffy (24)

[ladd]

It's not just that I disagree with your reads but rather you aren't willing to even so much as look in the direction of where I think wolves are

I looked at sunbae, the reasons for voting him seem incrediby silly for the most part. my own read is that he is slightly >rand to be v but I just flat out disagree with the reads on him so that makes me inclined to shield him


visor i could see being a wolf more than sunbae, i do think some of his switch of reads have been a bit opportunistic and i havent vibed with his posts in the second half as much as the first half - i wouldnt even rule out him being w/w with taffy. he is prolly out of my v reads tbh



idr who else u wolf read, think the third was me - i looked at ladd, pure iso, obvious villager, nice looking

[Visor]

I looked at sunbae, the reasons for voting him seem incrediby silly for the most part. my own read is that he is slightly >rand to be v but I just flat out disagree with the reads on him so that makes me inclined to shield him


visor i could see being a wolf more than sunbae, i do think some of his switch of reads have been a bit opportunistic and i havent vibed with his posts in the second half as much as the first half - i wouldnt even rule out him being w/w with taffy. he is prolly out of my v reads tbh



idr who else u wolf read, think the third was me - i looked at ladd, pure iso, obvious villager, nice looking

Et tu, ladd?

[nebjiamn]

visor i could see being a wolf more than sunbae, i do think some of his switch of reads have been a bit opportunistic and i havent vibed with his posts in the second half as much as the first half - i wouldnt even rule out him being w/w with taffy. he is prolly out of my v reads tbh

ladd goat

[waza]

ladd goat

U really think it’s visor? I feel like he’s just town regardless of whether he’s right or not on you

[nebjiamn]

U really think it’s visor? I feel like he’s just town regardless of whether he’s right or not on you

Not really, but I don’t think he’s clear from his lissa push tbh

im more just pointing out the stupid cherry picking

[annika]

My thoughts on Ladd is that they either end up being an outted wolf or an obvious villager D2 or D3. My 2 cents.

personally I think he's villagery, he might get more obvious on D2 or D3 idk lol but seems fine for now

I'm acknowledging he has the type of playstyle I get pocketed by, but... he still has good posts where he's like "we should vote Taffy" at the moment when Sunbae was getting pressured and towntelling. feels like he townread her but didn't outright say it (probably because he wasnt that confident) which rings townie imo (451). like I kinda got the sense he was thinking "no I really don't think this is the right direction" when he posted that

I think Taffy is town too tho, pending a reread ig LOL because I'm losing confidence in that read uhm. actually nvm I might rescind my TR on Taffy until I reread her

also weh I'm gonna need to save posts if there's no postcap lift at EoD, so I'll be back later

[ladd]

personally I think he's villagery, he might get more obvious on D2 or D3 idk lol but seems fine for now

I'm acknowledging he has the type of playstyle I get pocketed by, but... he still has good posts where he's like "we should vote Taffy" at the moment when Sunbae was getting pressured and towntelling. feels like he townread her but didn't outright say it (probably because he wasnt that confident) which rings townie imo (451). like I kinda got the sense he was thinking "no I really don't think this is the right direction" when he posted that

this is such a good read. yall should learn how to read me from annika


but really, nice read. that was exactly my mindset when i made that post

[waza]

this is such a good read. yall should learn how to read me from annika


but really, nice read. that was exactly my mindset when i made that post

Wtf ?

[waza]

Wtf ?

Oh dang I did an emoji after the WTF but that got changed to a question mark which changes the post from a light hearted one to a sarcastic one

Yeah I’m wasting posts because I’ve mentally checked out from the game ever since the pr claims - idk why but sorting through mech always kills my wim - sorry team, I’ll probs get back into it more after some flips and after most of the pr stuff is sorted and the claims are dead (hopefully) - provided I’m still alive

[Totally not Taffy]

like people brushed over this but seriously, WHY do you not care about reading Taffy when she's in your PoE and also the top wagon??

(this is shade but also a genuine question)

Anyway... I don't know what I should be doing here because I don't really want to harp on about how I don't like the state of the game even though that's how I feel. You guys know each other better than I do and you are better players than me so I should just accept that a world where all of you guys are incorrectly pushing each other isn't that likely. But it's still just nagging at me, because if all my individual reads on the consensus POE players are correct, then I think that is the world we are living in. And I feel kind of powerless to prove it right now because people don't find my arguments convincing. I can't even blame you because hell, I don't really find them convincing either, I feel like a lot of it is intuition. And I don't think I went a very good way about expressing my suspicion on Visor. But that doesn't make him town, nor does it make my other reads wrong. The other reason I feel powerless to do much is because of the interpersonal dynamics here people are unwilling to vote out certain people on Day 1 (i.e. "give them a day"). But in truth, I'd happily vote out ladd today over anyone in the consensus PoE. I think his only saving grace is if Taffy is a wolf, but I don't really see it. That said, I might vote her anyway if nobody wants anything else - just for this reason. This will almost surely get me wolfread tomorrow, but I don't really know what choice I have if I'm just voting amongst people I think are town except to vote the one who I townread less than the others

Wait am I top wagon?

Because Ladd's post gave me the impression that I might have been but no longer was

We should go back to taffy

Imo

@Gemma @nebjiamn can either of you give me a votecount

Taffy (22)

[ladd]

Wait am I top wagon?

Because Ladd's post gave me the impression that I might have been but no longer was


@Gemma @nebjiamn can either of you give me a votecount

Taffy (22)

i think sunbae is top wagon but not 100% sure


also zelda is genuinely the clearest villager after benneh, he is never a wolf




i tend to agree dya doesnt pursues this line against sunbae as a wolf

[Visor]

I would kill either taffy or Annika over sunbae

[annika]

I would kill either taffy or Annika over sunbae

v/v/v

what do you think of Maple?

[Visor]

v/v/v

what do you think of Maple?

They are posting a lot of theory stuff compared to solving which is probably villagery for them

They are just doing their thing, I'll look at em tomorrow but I don't really see much that interests me there either way