Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[waza]

Hmmmm taffy still not here

Time to tunnel the 0 poster v2

Vote:Taffy

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 781

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Totally not Taffy	waza (12)
1	Maple	didistetter (13)
1	Arctic	nebjiamn (18)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (15), EnderWiggin (7), Lissa (5), Maple (7), Totally not Taffy (0), Visor (2), annika (3), dyachei (2), ladd (13), pzelda (10)

[waza]

Ngl, I do hope that taffy flips town

[waza]

But yeah it’s kinda hard to believe a supposed pr hasn’t checked in by now to check if they got nkd, give feedback of night actions or to clarify stuff about their role if necessary (it’s necessary)

[Totally not Taffy]

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

You look at Rask's flip:

Raskolnikov was:

You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.

You are Demolitions Expert

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.

You have the following abilities:

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.[/spoiler]

Then you look at my iso, and you come across these posts:

This is not a flavour claim. Good morning noontime all



Taffy (1)

This was not a flavour claim, it was mech claim, and

good point new plan

hardclaim bomb inventor

I volunteer as tribute

I promise I will not pick you

Taffy (8)

If you see Rask as a Mafia Firefighter (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist), then I'm the Town Arsonist (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist)

If I am lying, the real town bomb layer can simply bomb me. You should treat me as IC

Taffy (1)

[didistetter]

@Totally not Taffy and what made you so certain about anticlaim?

[didistetter]

good point new plan

hardclaim bomb inventor

uh hang on a sec lol

so @Maple you knew bombs were a thing.....

[Totally not Taffy]

I was really frustrated at having to claim yesterday bc I thought we were giving the wolves extra kp but since they apparently don't have it I am rather happy with the situation bc now we can crowdsource my targets

I was initially going to do the right thing and holster N1 and possibly N2 bc my early reads are crap but given that I thought I might die I targeted Arctic last night. Seeing that Sunbae's rolecard says nothing about anticlaim it is now likely that Arctic is a PR who reasonably thought I was lying, but to me he looked like a wolf who went "we don't have an ability named anti-claim, this is a lying VT" and figured he could get me over.

I still think given how Arctic played D1 that the latter might be the case but I'm not going to push it bc if and when my bombs go off, either Arctic dies and we'll know or he's the one Sunbae died protecting (bc my bomb would've been redirected onto Sunbae and died with him) in which case he's town.

So we can solve around Arctic for the time being.

Taffy (2)

[didistetter]

I volunteer as tribute

I promise I will not pick you

Taffy (8)

@Totally not Taffy why didn't this message frmo maple concern you at all if you're a bomb arso?

[Totally not Taffy]

uh hang on a sec lol

so @Maple you knew bombs were a thing.....

I had that same thought, but I don't think Maple would've defended me EoD1 when Rask was being voted if they were wolf buddies

Taffy (3)

[didistetter]

taff and i -- i think -- have only played one game together? where we were w/w. But like, we didnt really *interact* in that game, so all yall talking about meta with her or w/e is beyond me, gonna take it on cred and deposite it in the bank (this is fraud). My personal read is "shrug dont really care". Dya is just getting into things, and I'm back and forth on them. Don't feel like elaborating rn, plus idt it matters?l.

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

Ohhhhhhhhh THATS what you meant

Lmao

You really think I need an excuse to vote a twink like you? cmon
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2 minutes how are we kiling taf lol sheep me on this one yall

@Totally not Taffy these were the only times maple came anywhere near to mentioning you lol. I'm not sure if you're misreading the last message but she wasn't defending you. Lissa and I explicitly pushed to dismantle the wagon on you and Maple through this out when we were already explicitly not limming you.

She wasn't saying sheep me on taffy town
She was asking us to sheep her on slaughtering annika


I'm confused how you're processing eod. Because it was: wagon on you -> you claim. -> i vote ladd, ben and maybe others followed -> sunbae claims -> mild panic -> annika pushes maple, maple pushes annika, arctic pushes you -> waza keeps voting and unvoting and trying to signal like a traffic light -> i say fuck this let's shrugyeet the 0 poster -> we shrug yeet the zero poster.

if anything manti instantly realizing you were crumbing looks worse given maf had mech knowledge of bombs.

[waza]

You look at Rask's flip:



Then you look at my iso, and you come across these posts:



This was not a flavour claim, it was mech claim, and



If you see Rask as a Mafia Firefighter (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist), then I'm the Town Arsonist (flavoured around bombs, and with a twist)

If I am lying, the real town bomb layer can simply bomb me. You should treat me as IC

Taffy (1)

Unvote:taffy

Seems legit enough

I’ll reread tmrw and figure out where I wanna go

[Totally not Taffy]

@Totally not Taffy these were the only times maple came anywhere near to mentioning you lol. I'm not sure if you're misreading the last message but she wasn't defending you. Lissa and I explicitly pushed to dismantle the wagon on you and Maple through this out when we were already explicitly not limming you.

She wasn't saying sheep me on taffy town
She was asking us to sheep her on slaughtering annika


I'm confused how you're processing eod. Because it was: wagon on you -> you claim. -> i vote ladd, ben and maybe others followed -> sunbae claims -> mild panic -> annika pushes maple, maple pushes annika, arctic pushes you -> waza keeps voting and unvoting and trying to signal like a traffic light -> i say fuck this let's shrugyeet the 0 poster -> we shrug yeet the zero poster.

if anything manti instantly realizing you were crumbing looks worse given maf had mech knowledge of bombs.

I do take those posts as her believing me and saying not to kill me
ymmv

You're right though that one of the ppl defending me might very well have been a wolf but I'd lean you or Lissa over Maple

Taffy (4)

[ladd]

Claim seems believable

Lettuce see tho

[Visor]

2. ladd
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
9. Arctic
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
13. annika
14. dyachei
15. pzelda

Thread generally thinks Lissa and pzelda are clear

I think decent chance dya is clear

I'm reversing path on arctic, believe they believed their group of three was v and was struggling to figure out who is actually pulling the strings and I fit that bill easily

Annika improved over the day phase and voted wolf

Taffy pr

Ender possible wolf but also played in a way that was low ev

Maple played in a low ev way

Waza honestly no super strong impression but seems ok

Stett y'all think is clear

Then who's left?

Wolves are ladd and benneh

Potential for fourth wolf which is possibly ender (or perhaps someone we are thread clearing to easily)

Thinking about arctica D1 and how eod played out

vote: nebjiamn

[Visor]

The way benneh pushing for maple and how things are playing out seems Wolfy to me

[didistetter]

I do take those posts as her believing me and saying not to kill me
ymmv

You're right though that one of the ppl defending me might very well have been a wolf but I'd lean you or Lissa over Maple

Taffy (4)

:wowee:

why?

and maple did not defend you. Please read back eod. Maple's focus was entirely OMGUSing annika and shading arctic.

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visor be so fr what

why is ben wolf if your other reads are "thread thinks lissa and pzelda are clear" "yall think stett is clear" "waza is forgettable" "maple and ender are playing low ev"

what do YOU think

how does ben's play fit wolf agenda?

[didistetter]

The way benneh pushing for maple and how things are playing out seems Wolfy to me

does...

does maple

claiming bomb inventor d1

when we have a flipped wolf bomb diffuser
and taffy claiming bomb arso

not seem sus to you at all???????

[didistetter]

also in no world is ladd/benneh ever a team benneh literally followed me onto ladd when i snapped there after taffy PR claimed

[Visor]

does...

does maple

claiming bomb inventor d1

when we have a flipped wolf bomb diffuser
and taffy claiming bomb arso

not seem sus to you at all???????

It's post 63 who cares

[Visor]

The focus on maple is Wolfy

[didistetter]

The focus on maple is Wolfy

how?

[Visor]

how?

Because people pushing there are reducing their scope to only her

See bennehs entrance today

It's focusing not around a larger picture of understanding the game but setting up then to take the heat today as a focal point of discussion

Today is going to be a black hole if we let it go that way

Lissa day and pzelda seem ok to me as I have said

I'm not sold on you being v but if enough people are saying they think otherwise I ain't ever gonna be able to get you killed

Maples not a bad wolf, them getting into the pants pissing argument with Annika is dumb if they think it will get them any chance of survival and they know that people ain't gonna give them clearance for it and certainly weren't D1

especially if rask is afk what's their endgame? How do they expect to win the game

Ender is whatever could easily be a wolf

Waza is not forgettable that's not what I said, I think they are ok

So I'm at you, ladd, benneh, ender

And there's definiteky potential for me to be misleading arctic but I can also see how they would come to their read on me and I think I understand it

[nebjiamn]

2. ladd
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
9. Arctic
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
13. annika
14. dyachei
15. pzelda

Thread generally thinks Lissa and pzelda are clear

I think decent chance dya is clear

I'm reversing path on arctic, believe they believed their group of three was v and was struggling to figure out who is actually pulling the strings and I fit that bill easily

Annika improved over the day phase and voted wolf

Taffy pr

Ender possible wolf but also played in a way that was low ev

Maple played in a low ev way

Waza honestly no super strong impression but seems ok

Stett y'all think is clear

Then who's left?

Wolves are ladd and benneh

Potential for fourth wolf which is possibly ender (or perhaps someone we are thread clearing to easily)

Thinking about arctica D1 and how eod played out

vote: nebjiamn

if that's your poe why would you ever think i'm the correct first vote here lol

[annika]

Btw Is there a way to count my posts and to isolate players?

@pzelda at the top of the page, click Search Thread -> Advanced Search

then in the User Name bar, type in whoever's username you want to ISO. if you type your own name, you can check how many posts you have in the thread so far (but it won't separate by day)

hope this helps! ^^ sorry if someone answered already, I haven't finished catching up yet

[nebjiamn]

Because people pushing there are reducing their scope to only her

See bennehs entrance today

It's focusing not around a larger picture of understanding the game but setting up then to take the heat today as a focal point of discussion

this is factually incorrect. can you actually read my post again? i don't think you comprehended it at all.

i think your judgement is clouded on the basis of a terrible starting point on maple (even if maple is town). i pretty clearly have a wider view of the game than just 'kill maple' but you seem to have taken that entire sod post and distilled it into where i revealed who my top wolf in a poe was, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a wider consideration of the game state and it is actually quite literally the opposite.

ladd and ender are good POEs in a world you don't want to consider maple but you're going off the deep end and actually getting lost in the sauce beyond that.

additionally, i think you are wrong about how the thread generally thinks lissa is clear? lissa and yourself are objectively (based off check in posts so far) the least cleared players off the rask wagon. i think there is definitely room for her to be wolf and i think its weird you are letting that be the basis for your lissa read

what are your actual reads idgi lol, you output most of these like you had to generate excuses you dont believe in

[annika]

Eighth Post - "It's not just that I disagree with your reads"
Ninth Post - "i think other players have been townier and i disagree with his reads"
(Also I have always hated "I disagree with your reads" as a wolfread because how often do two town get different reads on things? Very often. Even amongst good players.)

@EnderWiggin you cut off the eighth post

he's saying "it's not just that I disagree with your reads, [it's that you haven't even looked in the direction of my reads]" basically; he's using it as emphasis

[annika]

uh hang on a sec lol

so @Maple you knew bombs were a thing.....

gosh you are so townie lol

[nebjiamn]

I was really frustrated at having to claim yesterday bc I thought we were giving the wolves extra kp but since they apparently don't have it I am rather happy with the situation bc now we can crowdsource my targets

I was initially going to do the right thing and holster N1 and possibly N2 bc my early reads are crap but given that I thought I might die I targeted Arctic last night. Seeing that Sunbae's rolecard says nothing about anticlaim it is now likely that Arctic is a PR who reasonably thought I was lying, but to me he looked like a wolf who went "we don't have an ability named anti-claim, this is a lying VT" and figured he could get me over.

I still think given how Arctic played D1 that the latter might be the case but I'm not going to push it bc if and when my bombs go off, either Arctic dies and we'll know or he's the one Sunbae died protecting (bc my bomb would've been redirected onto Sunbae and died with him) in which case he's town.

So we can solve around Arctic for the time being.

Taffy (2)

someone else prob mentioned it but i think its reasonable that the town arsonist would get some sort of message about there being a counter to their night action given rask's role


but i also think its probably worth noting that in previous gemma games on the org though (i think it was a gemma game?) there were roles in the game that alluded to the existence of others that some people found kind of game breaking because it allowed someone to claim a role that didnt exist but feasibly should have given a prior PR flip

so ya

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@Totally not Taffy arctic already claimed NOT a PR so I think there may be some value to just igniting even if i think arctic is town, kinda in the same way you wouldn't heal a villager's poison. imo we should talk about a bit more since you are unlikely to survive past today given you are KP (unlss wolves have an RB)

[nebjiamn]

someone else prob mentioned it but i think its reasonable that the town arsonist would get some sort of message about there being a counter to their night action given rask's role


but i also think its probably worth noting that in previous gemma games on the org though (i think it was a gemma game?) there were roles in the game that alluded to the existence of others that some people found kind of game breaking because it allowed someone to claim a role that didnt exist but feasibly should have given a prior PR flip

so ya

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@Totally not Taffy arctic already claimed NOT a PR so I think there may be some value to just igniting even if i think arctic is town, kinda in the same way you wouldn't heal a villager's poison. imo we should talk about a bit more since you are unlikely to survive past today given you are KP (unlss wolves have an RB)

everyone should comment on this, not just taffy