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[annika]

Who do you want to kill besides maple

:3

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idk actually, I think everyone's townie. Ender was the third in my solve yesterday but I'm not feeling it anymore

[EnderWiggin]

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everyone should comment on this, not just taffy

I think they should. Doesn't feel like that much of a debate or discussion so much as an obvious route.

But I'm also classically not good with PRs so shrug.

[EnderWiggin]

Completely random thought - ender sounds like someone id enjoy drinking beer(s) with



I wouldnt kill arctic

I am still confused by some taffy stuff (why soft pr in your first post if u think/know there is anticlaim, why even soft pr as a pr) but their claim should just be clearing/self resolving i think


Visor/lissa is a fun team thats prolly not real...but would be fun

I am not even sure how you got to that thought but maybe. I tend to hate regular beer in a very unaustralian fashion though. I'm a cider person.

[EnderWiggin]

I buy Taffy's claim pretty well rn.

I think my POE is pretty much Maple/Lissa/Ladd/(Arctic)

I've put my Arctic stuff out there, if no one agrees with me I'll shrug and drop it for now because I don't have any way I can state it more persuasively and if everyone is saying I'm wrong then maybe I'm wrong.

Ladd gets added because I don't really feel like he's progressed in a way that makes me think town, but it's like ~not a strong read.

I still think Maple's narrow focus/small footprint EOD is very wolfy. I will happily champion this.

Lissa is just someone I think has been wolfy over-all. But probably is in the Arctic treatment in terms of at least two or three people have said what I was suspecting is just normal Lissa. That being said I don't think their EOD was great and they haven't done anything I find super towny so they can exist in a POE.

If I'm misclearing anyone atm it's probably in Dya (Because my ability to read them has always been kinda shoddy. I think I'm improving in the last 2/3 games we've played but wouldn't shock me if I've read em wrong.) or Waza (Because the snow leopard is tricksy and speaks sparkly words. I've definitely been wooed by them before so I tend to keep some tinfoil in the closet.)

[EnderWiggin]

Actually maybe Benneh is someone I've not thought about.

I'll reread after I sleep.

[Arctic]

@didistetter
First post - This is the read on me that I've been harping on about. Makes a shade-centric observation. "Idk if this is uncharitable" and then basically suggests I'm posting differently "flavoured" to when he was wolf and he + DZ voted me out when I was town.

Second post - I call him out on it and he then admits he "Knew it was uncharitable" and intentionally tries to point out how he wasn't really pushing it as if that's a defense. (Which 1. puts lie to the "Idk if it is uncharitable" line and 2. if you're shading someone usually the point is that you're trying to make OTHER PEOPLE be the direct attackers while you have just pushed it subtly in the background.)

Third post - Shading Visor after Visor is generally townread (Visor has in recent times been potential miselim bait due to not caring about putting effort in, something I vibe with strongly.) and also backing down off me after I have shown my teeth.

Fourth post - This one feels like trying to poke another to a conclusion that he's annoyed they haven't reached but this one is ~meh. I'm mostly including it because he makes a deal about someone's alignment with his reads. Which is relevant for the follow up:

Fifth Post - Because when Dya pointed out how Arctic is sussing her despite having generally aligned reads his reaction is to:
Sixth Post - ONCE AGAIN the person he has poe'd/shaded/sussed comes back at him for how odd it is or how uncharitable it is and the response is to placate. "I don't really sus you tbh" instead of the response to me, but I felt like it was an echo.

Seventh Post - Now instead of "Feeling like there's a difference between my shitposting last time" he's now backed down to "I just am saying I could see myself shrug yeeting you cause idk any way to read you." The backpeddling to seem reasonable is the real reason I sunk my teeth into this and don't want to let go.

Eighth Post - "It's not just that I disagree with your reads"
Ninth Post - "i think other players have been townier and i disagree with his reads"
(Also I have always hated "I disagree with your reads" as a wolfread because how often do two town get different reads on things? Very often. Even amongst good players.)

This is mostly included because I feel like it fits with the placation to the person he's sussing while just straight up shading them to others with buzzword statements.

As for his EOD, It basically is mainly the following:
1. A weird request for Taffy to find wolves or die
2. A immediate bad reaction to the claim
3. "I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk"
4. Waffles around then puts down "I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask" (Note: He does not vote Rask)
5. Has been waffling around on the claim but as soon as he starts getting votes instantly goes nuclear on trying to revitalise it against Taffy

I don't think that EOD is particularly wolfy tbh. It's kinda midline for me. The Rask note is like hindsight not ~great but also not that damning either.

My point is idk why that seems to be universally townread.

But again, it's very possible I'm miles deep in the tunnel and not seeing things clearly.

I definitely can get that way.

I thought your read was based on one thing that you just didn't want to let go? I don't really hate the things that you're actually calling out here like, on principle, but I'm more confused about why you now have this whole case on the rest of my behaviour when it was just one thing you didn't like

[Arctic]

I was really frustrated at having to claim yesterday bc I thought we were giving the wolves extra kp but since they apparently don't have it I am rather happy with the situation bc now we can crowdsource my targets

I was initially going to do the right thing and holster N1 and possibly N2 bc my early reads are crap but given that I thought I might die I targeted Arctic last night. Seeing that Sunbae's rolecard says nothing about anticlaim it is now likely that Arctic is a PR who reasonably thought I was lying, but to me he looked like a wolf who went "we don't have an ability named anti-claim, this is a lying VT" and figured he could get me over.

I still think given how Arctic played D1 that the latter might be the case but I'm not going to push it bc if and when my bombs go off, either Arctic dies and we'll know or he's the one Sunbae died protecting (bc my bomb would've been redirected onto Sunbae and died with him) in which case he's town.

So we can solve around Arctic for the time being.

Taffy (2)

Wdym when your bombs go off? You don't have to kill me, do you?

I.. am not sure how much I believe this. Mainly because if you believed there was anticlaim then why would you blatantly soft in your first post? And why believe there was anticlaim in the first place? Secondly because in a 15'er, unless there are 4 wolves (which just based on how the game vibes as towny, I don't think is likely) with 3 wolves there is almost no way town has KP and if they do then wolves absolutely do too so... where is it? For that reason I don't really consider your claim in itself AI and I'm instead going off of your behaviour around it, and the anticlaim stuff + voting me and dipping is just.. kinda hard for me to reconcile as genuine. But I do like how you brought light to the fact I am probably a PR today

Since you have doused me, yeah, I am a PR. Specifically I'm the even night version of Sunbae's role. I was not informed about any anticlaim. So I will in fact self-resolve and you should not kill me. Especially because it does not get us a ML

I'm not at all convinced you're town but I feel like I've been outplayed either way, weirdly. Claiming to have ttargeted specifically me after I already claimed I wasn't a PR has put me in a pretty bad position (lmao) because.. if you are a wolf planning to use your role leashed to whoever town wants you to kill then killing me is a perfect way of killing a villager without being outted, because I was in everyone's PoE already

[nebjiamn]

Wdym when your bombs go off? You don't have to kill me, do you?

I.. am not sure how much I believe this. Mainly because if you believed there was anticlaim then why would you blatantly soft in your first post? And why believe there was anticlaim in the first place? Secondly because in a 15'er, unless there are 4 wolves (which just based on how the game vibes as towny, I don't think is likely) with 3 wolves there is almost no way town has KP and if they do then wolves absolutely do too so... where is it? For that reason I don't really consider your claim in itself AI and I'm instead going off of your behaviour around it, and the anticlaim stuff + voting me and dipping is just.. kinda hard for me to reconcile as genuine. But I do like how you brought light to the fact I am probably a PR today

Since you have doused me, yeah, I am a PR. Specifically I'm the even night version of Sunbae's role. I was not informed about any anticlaim. So I will in fact self-resolve and you should not kill me. Especially because it does not get us a ML

I'm not at all convinced you're town but I feel like I've been outplayed either way, weirdly. Claiming to have ttargeted specifically me after I already claimed I wasn't a PR has put me in a pretty bad position (lmao) because.. if you are a wolf planning to use your role leashed to whoever town wants you to kill then killing me is a perfect way of killing a villager without being outted, because I was in everyone's PoE already

lmao

[annika]

Wdym when your bombs go off? You don't have to kill me, do you?

I.. am not sure how much I believe this. Mainly because if you believed there was anticlaim then why would you blatantly soft in your first post? And why believe there was anticlaim in the first place? Secondly because in a 15'er, unless there are 4 wolves (which just based on how the game vibes as towny, I don't think is likely) with 3 wolves there is almost no way town has KP and if they do then wolves absolutely do too so... where is it? For that reason I don't really consider your claim in itself AI and I'm instead going off of your behaviour around it, and the anticlaim stuff + voting me and dipping is just.. kinda hard for me to reconcile as genuine. But I do like how you brought light to the fact I am probably a PR today

Since you have doused me, yeah, I am a PR. Specifically I'm the even night version of Sunbae's role. I was not informed about any anticlaim. So I will in fact self-resolve and you should not kill me. Especially because it does not get us a ML

I'm not at all convinced you're town but I feel like I've been outplayed either way, weirdly. Claiming to have ttargeted specifically me after I already claimed I wasn't a PR has put me in a pretty bad position (lmao) because.. if you are a wolf planning to use your role leashed to whoever town wants you to kill then killing me is a perfect way of killing a villager without being outted, because I was in everyone's PoE already

her role has to exist for Rask's role to make sense though, right? like at least some kind of Town Bomber should exist unless that's a 3p role ??? but 3p makes no sense for a 15er lmao

[nebjiamn]

her role has to exist for Rask's role to make sense though, right? like at least some kind of Town Bomber should exist unless that's a 3p role ??? but 3p makes no sense for a 15er lmao

3p makes plenty of sense in a 15er

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i can't find it but i'm actually dead re: ladd's post to arctic "that's exactly what a pr would say" lmao

[Arctic]

someone else prob mentioned it but i think its reasonable that the town arsonist would get some sort of message about there being a counter to their night action given rask's role


but i also think its probably worth noting that in previous gemma games on the org though (i think it was a gemma game?) there were roles in the game that alluded to the existence of others that some people found kind of game breaking because it allowed someone to claim a role that didnt exist but feasibly should have given a prior PR flip

so ya

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@Totally not Taffy arctic already claimed NOT a PR so I think there may be some value to just igniting even if i think arctic is town, kinda in the same way you wouldn't heal a villager's poison. imo we should talk about a bit more since you are unlikely to survive past today given you are KP (unlss wolves have an RB)

In a closed setup without a flipped protective, this isn't an unreasonable take. But in the context of this game I think that you arguing for Taffy to ignite me is pretty wolfy. We aren't getting a doc save this game, clearly, so we aren't getting any MLs back. For this reason, killing me doesn't gain a ML, it is basically no different from just voting me out today. And so you are basically advocating that we waste a ML on me, someone you think is town.

I am kinda coming around to you being a wolf if Taffy isn't. I think Visor was villagery today and your responses to him felt lawyery

[Arctic]

Bg is dead so it's likely use it or lose it

However 1x kp puts us on Evens, effectively turning a vote into a sleep and a dead arctic

From taffy pov igniting is optimal tonight, most lokely

You recognize that a town protective is dead so we aren't getting a ML back and thus killing me is effectively the same as voting me out and yet you think I am a villager and you are still advocating for her to kill me

We can probably put this guy in the bin too

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For the same reason, but taking the opposite stance, I think ladd is town now, regardless of what Taffy is. I'm not considering him anymore

[nebjiamn]

In a closed setup without a flipped protective, this isn't an unreasonable take. But in the context of this game I think that you arguing for Taffy to ignite me is pretty wolfy. We aren't getting a doc save this game, clearly, so we aren't getting any MLs back. For this reason, killing me doesn't gain a ML, it is basically no different from just voting me out today. And so you are basically advocating that we waste a ML on me, someone you think is town.

I am kinda coming around to you being a wolf if Taffy isn't. I think Visor was villagery today and your responses to him felt lawyery

i don't think you understand mechanics at all, like even a little bit, so i won't engage with you on why killing you when you were claimed not-pr was potentially correct

anyway, you should explain why i'm ever playing eod the way i did while postcapped. not for me, but because I think if you reread eod with the knowledge that i didn't want you or taffy or sunbae or annika to die anymore, which is apparent in my votes IMO, i should literally be the most obvious villager in the game lol

[Arctic]

@Totally not Taffy can you claim whether you ignite when you die or if you are able to choose when to ignite

If it is the latter then do not ignite me, obviously. I can prevent you dying tonight if I don't get roleblocked, which can give you another douse

I hope you can clarify this sooner than before eod when people have used up all of their posts

And while I'm here, given my claim, I want other people to make it clear that Taffy should not ignite me if they have a choice and should be treated as outted if she does. Because wolf!Taffy using this role tailored to town and taking away 1 ML while just shrugging it off as an "oopsie well he was POE" anyway when my claim is resolving is the exact avenue she can take here as a wolf

[nebjiamn]

if there is a misclear of the somewhat universal TRs, i think it is in the dya/pzelda realm and not the annika/stetts. i don't know how much i think that's true, but i think its more true than the wolves being in like visor? maybe lissa? idk will think

thinking about waza's own eod vis a vis what i just said @ arcy, i would probably add him into the near locks too cause of the way he was unvoting to communicate. i initially weighted his vote on taffy more than those, but i think his answer was pretty good and i believe it so i think his actions leading up to the vote outweigh the vote itself

[Maple]

You recognize that a town protective is dead so we aren't getting a ML back and thus killing me is effectively the same as voting me out and yet you think I am a villager and you are still advocating for her to kill me

We can probably put this guy in the bin too

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For the same reason, but taking the opposite stance, I think ladd is town now, regardless of what Taffy is. I'm not considering him anymore

lol

[nebjiamn]

tbc i think dya has been towny when available, but i think ladd oversells the post about sunbae they made.

dya is a killer who pockets and pushes friends like anyone else as wolf. i think ladd coming to the conclusion dya is town off that post but being sus of their initial posting is quite weird iyam. they were findable as town based off how they entered, not how they talked about sunbae after voting him

[Arctic]

i don't think you understand mechanics at all, like even a little bit, so i won't engage with you on why killing you when you were claimed not-pr was potentially correct

anyway, you should explain why i'm ever playing eod the way i did while postcapped. not for me, but because I think if you reread eod with the knowledge that i didn't want you or taffy or sunbae or annika to die anymore, which is apparent in my votes IMO, i should literally be the most obvious villager in the game lol

I don't see how what I am saying is wrong. I am open to seeing your perspective if you can explain to me what makes it optimal to kill me there, given that it is for all intents and purposes using up one of our MLs on someone you townread. But it's difficult to engage where I am jut being told I am wrong and can't understand why.

I am not super interested in what happened at EOD anymore. With an afk wolf being wagoned and neither me nor Taffy dying (regardless of what Taffy is), it is much more plausible to me that the wolves were townsiding in the latter part of the day. Either by defending the alternatives to Rask, voting Rask, or both. You cannot make a convincing case for anyone being mafia based on EOD except for Lissa (if Taffy is a wolf, but if she isn't, then ???) so clearing you based on this doesn't seem sound to me.

And with the dead weight cut after day 1, wolves are presumably not looking to lose another. And if they did in fact actively take part in killing Rask, they are explicitly looking to use that cred up, which is why you and Maple advocating for Taffy to kill me rang alarm bells. I'm not sure it's very likely both of you are wolves, however. So I'll have to think

[Maple]

im highly tilted due to non-game stuff and its really affecting my wim rn

imagine i get a second wind later in the phase

looking at rask's role again, 3p arso seems entirely plausible itg, thats a lot of util to counter 1 role

[Arctic]

im highly tilted due to non-game stuff and its really affecting my wim rn

imagine i get a second wind later in the phase

looking at rask's role again, 3p arso seems entirely plausible itg, thats a lot of util to counter 1 role

Pat pat

Come back when you feel better. I want you to take a stance on who you think we should actually kill today, if possible

I am also off for now (probably to get high, but we shall see)

[Totally not Taffy]

@Totally not Taffy arctic already claimed NOT a PR so I think there may be some value to just igniting even if i think arctic is town, kinda in the same way you wouldn't heal a villager's poison. imo we should talk about a bit more since you are unlikely to survive past today given you are KP (unlss wolves have an RB)

But Benneh I really want to plant more bombs

You are correct it might be the mechanically optimal play but several ppl have now said they think Arctic is town and well, I'd rather let him live if he is

that might actually not matter if Taffy's bombs going off is mandatory though (this kinda feels like it might be the case based on how it's a bomber rather than an arso)

in which case rip Arcy

if that's how it works @Totally not Taffy I'd bomb Maple :3
if you don't wanna since you still TR her, hmm. it might be worth just killing the counterwagon?

that kinda sucks though lol because I do think all the people that will be counterwagons today like Ladd/waza are v. I mean personally I pref Maple so that's my vote, if youre taking votes (I might change my mind today in which case I'll ping you w/ it, but this is just what I'm thinking atm)

I very much enjoy the input thank you, that's what I meant with "crowdsourcing" my targets

I do think Maple is town but both you and Stett are stronger players than I am
otoh I expect that if Maple's town she's very much become part of wolves' wincon atp so I'm a bit leery of the two strong pushes and neither of you are exploring many other options I feel

Taffy (5)

[nebjiamn]

I don't see how what I am saying is wrong. I am open to seeing your perspective if you can explain to me what makes it optimal to kill me there, given that it is for all intents and purposes using up one of our MLs on someone you townread. But it's difficult to engage where I am jut being told I am wrong and can't understand why.

i feel like you have claimed the even night protective and you think that this was some revelatory insight that this role could exist

so the idea you are proposing that me and maple are wolfy for suggesting using town killing power is correct because a town protective flipped and we won't get a mislim back is wrong for those of us that are mechanically inclined and paying attention, ducy?

i won't even go into why this is correct from the point of view that taffy is a potentially confirmed town who has killing utility and you are (were) not lock clear at the time of those posts, so even if i am townleaning you, i cannot town clear you, and yes, even IF we didn't get a mislim back, that is still often correct because town used KP going to waste is... a waste.

i think your judgement here is biased and clouded by the fact that you are the other town protective and taffy's alleged douse. you act like i have been advocating for you to still be ignited since you re-claimed and i have not. you specifically claimed VT like 2 pages ago, or did you forget?

I am not super interested in what happened at EOD anymore. With an afk wolf being wagoned and neither me nor Taffy dying (regardless of what Taffy is), it is much more plausible to me that the wolves were townsiding in the latter part of the day. Either by defending the alternatives to Rask, voting Rask, or both. You cannot make a convincing case for anyone being mafia based on EOD except for Lissa (if Taffy is a wolf, but if she isn't, then ???) so clearing you based on this doesn't seem sound to me.

And with the dead weight cut after day 1, wolves are presumably not looking to lose another. And if they did in fact actively take part in killing Rask, they are explicitly looking to use that cred up, which is why you and Maple advocating for Taffy to kill me rang alarm bells. I'm not sure it's very likely both of you are wolves, however. So I'll have to think

i think its very likely a much simpler: the wolves were afk or pushing annika/taffy/you. its literally that simple.

rask was a wolf, he was afk
ladd fits as a wolf this game, he was afk
maple fits as a wolf this game, they were pushing annika
ender fits as a wolf this game, he was pushing you

i don't understand why you think the wolves had to be in the actives or the ones actually driving wagons. it is much more likely eod just plays out the way it did because towns were active and defending other towns before settling on a literal last minute cfd on rask that only a few of us could have possibly reacted to

[Totally not Taffy]

When I saw Rask flipped wolf I remembered this conversation Benneh and Lissa had (I've truncated them to only the relevant parts)

by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point

if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding

Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong

And I think I misunderstood what Benneh was saying bc to me "vigilance" means "watchfulness" and therefore "being protective of someone" and Happy was not protective of Rask at all (all Happy posts about Rask up till that point in spoiler)

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How many in rask ladd taffy dya?

Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff

Vote:raskilnikov

I need the towncred so I gotta bus u bronana

All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v


Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda

Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol

Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about

I think an ender vote will probs be the least info providing vote lol, especially since he’s probs v imo

I get why you might do it, and if part of it I’m guessing is the hopes it will drive him to be more productive or readable fypo. But from memory I don’t think it’s gonna work, he usually has his mind made up on whatever meme and gimmick he’s gonna do d1 and tends to stick to it but eventually later on in the game after a couple of days starts to pick up and play properly.

One might call me a hypocrite since my vote is on rask, but the difference is that rask is a wolf and meowted

That post is mostly for others not for me, I’m committed to bussing rask today lol

I do have Arctic related thoughts but I wanna sit down and properly digest his walls and then respond properly to them before I decide what I’m doing with Arctic

But now having gathered them all to make this post I assume the vigilance referred to something like being very focused on something (in this case the zero-poster)?

Anyway this is a lead-in to ask @nebjiamn and @Lissa why they aren't pushing Happy today for the over the top TWTBAW "I'm bussing Rask" joke three times and then voting there EoD but switching off when the wagon actually takes off.

Taffy (6)

[nebjiamn]

i grilled him about that already and my thoughts are in my large post. i found his answer satisfactory and after pondering things some more i'm really not all that concerned about him because the rest of his actions mostly make up for that.

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i know this will make people more sus of me for 3p hunting but i'm decently sure taffy is just a 3p arso here at best. i just don't think they're town with more of how the game unfolds lol

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specifically, the way sunbae and arctic's roles work iss very counter-intuitive to being utilized in a game with town arson KP -- its extremely negative utilty to create a town role that can have targets soak up KP from wolf targets while ALSO giving wolves a way to detonate or disarm those bombs themselves.

[nebjiamn]

rask's role + sunbae's role + likely arctic's role == a scenario where the town KP and protectives work together to ensure wolves can't really die but town detonations always go off

we are probably exactly in a world where town and wolves have utility and the game is augmented by a swingy but overall low-output KP in the form of a 3rd party who is truly neutral

fuckin a, cool setup gemma (unironic!!!!!!!!!!)

[nebjiamn]

ben, I'm almost never gonna be able to make EOD because Amy refuses to go to bed reasonably.

Idk how to read taffy so if anyone has some tips there lmk

I am pretty concerned about ladd but felt better about him at EOD

i was pretty confused why earlier in the day you were able to find me so soundly but ladd was not. He seemed to get there at EOD which made me feel not as concerned. He's usually very good at reading me but it felt like he was trying to keep options open earlier

hm.

@didistetter @annika help me out here. remind me where you are on dya and read this from dya, does it feel genuine?

2 things that stick out to me:

-dya got defensive about not being at eod but that was a throwaway comment in my readslist. this is prob nothing but shrug
-does the ladd relief really track to you? that feels sketch to me. especially with how the hedge on ladd is prefaced in the first post?

[nebjiamn]

Vote: dyachei

[didistetter]

Since you have doused me, yeah, I am a PR. Specifically I'm the even night version of Sunbae's role. I was not informed about any anticlaim. So I will in fact self-resolve and you should not kill me. Especially because it does not get us a ML

sometimes i fear i hate mafia

[Visor]

vote: ladd

[didistetter]

"Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb."
@nebjiamn i've been kinda rolling this over and the feedback part is interesting to me. Maf would realistically just be defusing the other wolves, but the feedback part is kinda ?

cause like you can argue that feedback is to counter the redirectors: but the redirectors function like a bodyguard: so they would normally be shielding town—which would be unlikely to interfere with maf diffusing other maf.

Ig i could see a 3p bomber buuuuut that would basically, with the rask role, make 3p a pseudo extra kp that only can target town, so their wincon seems kinda scuffed with an ungated mafia firefighter

idk villy makes more sense for me i think?

Villy arso, odd night bodyguard, even night bodyguard, maybe a tracker
+ mafia diffuser, maybe rolecop, maybe a gated kp

idk gemma setups, but 3 maf, town arso and a 3p seems a bit much lol