Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[didistetter]

"Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb."
@nebjiamn i've been kinda rolling this over and the feedback part is interesting to me. Maf would realistically just be defusing the other wolves, but the feedback part is kinda ?

cause like you can argue that feedback is to counter the redirectors: but the redirectors function like a bodyguard: so they would normally be shielding town—which would be unlikely to interfere with maf diffusing other maf.

Ig i could see a 3p bomber buuuuut that would basically, with the rask role, make 3p a pseudo extra kp that only can target town, so their wincon seems kinda scuffed with an ungated mafia firefighter

idk villy makes more sense for me i think?

Villy arso, odd night bodyguard, even night bodyguard, maybe a tracker
+ mafia diffuser, maybe rolecop, maybe a gated kp

idk gemma setups, but 3 maf, town arso and a 3p seems a bit much lol

[nebjiamn]

"Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb."
@nebjiamn i've been kinda rolling this over and the feedback part is interesting to me. Maf would realistically just be defusing the other wolves, but the feedback part is kinda ?

cause like you can argue that feedback is to counter the redirectors: but the redirectors function like a bodyguard: so they would normally be shielding town—which would be unlikely to interfere with maf diffusing other maf.

Ig i could see a 3p bomber buuuuut that would basically, with the rask role, make 3p a pseudo extra kp that only can target town, so their wincon seems kinda scuffed with an ungated mafia firefighter

idk villy makes more sense for me i think?

Villy arso, odd night bodyguard, even night bodyguard, maybe a tracker
+ mafia diffuser, maybe rolecop, maybe a gated kp

idk gemma setups, but 3 maf, town arso and a 3p seems a bit much lol

im running it around in my head. tbc, i would not expect there to be a town arso AND a 3p, its either or.

i'm not sure i track why you say it's limiting for them -- there isn't apparent feedback that they ARE bombed, just if the disarming was successful.

that is literally mafia's gated KP? if they target town with it, town blows up. this is where i'm getting hung up on taffy's role being 3p--does it make sense to give mafia a way to defuse themselves AND punish a town arsonist who lets out their claims before they die?

e.g. if taffy dies tonight and rask's role was alive (i.e. we didn't know about it),

-----actually hold on, i just raelized why taffy was thinking of the counterclaim

its very likelly she was told mafia could use her claim against her (via rasks role killing her targets) and this would also make sense why the other prs didnt get such feedback?

hmm

[Maple]

Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.

[nebjiamn]

wolf inventor amirite

[Maple]

You know it bud

[Maple]

Admittedly giving the item to visor IS wolfing because I knew he'd defend me without outing the info and I figured I needed someone to mason with me to live deeper into the game.

Just don't have the juice to go the hard way here, and since we're basically massclaiming already i figure this info is pretty important.

[Maple]

Gemma crafting this cool ass setup only for the players to massclaim d2

[didistetter]

i wonder how much gemma enjoyed visor's disloyal wolf inventor in atla...

maple def wouldn't be a bury the invention in the NK coward like twice.

oddnight redirector, even night redirector, town arso, town inventor feels like a weird mix.



i wanna ignore all y'alls claims and solve off socials but that would make me still wanna kill maple.......

ben i dont really think rask role makes a ton of sense with wolf arso. i think i'd rather leave taffy for now.

Vote: Lissa wanna hear a bit more here i think :3

[Maple]

If I cross with the kill I die lol

[nebjiamn]

if i entertain the idea of all PRs being town (which is not at all a given imo lol) things shake up something like this aorn for me, tiers unordered within:

nebjiamn
Arctic
Maple
Taffy

didistetter
annika

pzelda
waza

ladd
Visor
Lissa
Ender
dyachei




im gonna fuck off and conserve my last 11 posts or whatever. i think rn i'm leaning toward an elim in ladd/dya/ender/maple but i don't really know how i want to prioritize all these claims yet so mmmv

gth if all claims are true (unlikely) pzelda really needs to be given a true look-see

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 883

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Visor	waza (22)
1	dyachei	nebjiamn (39)
1	ladd	Visor (13)
9	Not Voting	Arctic (22), EnderWiggin (13), Lissa (5), Maple (20), Totally not Taffy (6), annika (13), dyachei (2), ladd (16), pzelda (10), didistetter (26)

[waza]

Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.

You know it bud

Admittedly giving the item to visor IS wolfing because I knew he'd defend me without outing the info and I figured I needed someone to mason with me to live deeper into the game.

Just don't have the juice to go the hard way here, and since we're basically massclaiming already i figure this info is pretty important.

If I cross with the kill I die lol

idk how to describe it but something about maples claim seems kinda believable to me, the only unbelievable part is the fact they claimed at that moment with no pressure at all, and id expect a mech wiz like maple to know they didnt need to claim there and its -ev esp given they literally told wolves how to kill them??

if i entertain the idea of all PRs being town (which is not at all a given imo lol) things shake up something like this aorn for me, tiers unordered within:

nebjiamn
Arctic
Maple
Taffy

didistetter
annika

pzelda
waza

ladd
Visor
Lissa
Ender
dyachei




im gonna fuck off and conserve my last 11 posts or whatever. i think rn i'm leaning toward an elim in ladd/dya/ender/maple but i don't really know how i want to prioritize all these claims yet so mmmv

gth if all claims are true (unlikely) pzelda really needs to be given a true look-see

bro you managed to mention every person in your poe in this post except for lissa lmao

[EnderWiggin]

wolf inventor amirite

Unironically kinda think this.

[didistetter]

@Visor confirm ?

Vote: Unvote

[Visor]

@Visor confirm ?

Vote: Unvote

Go look at his first post this day phase where he mentions nl and track

Seems likely

Now I'm dead tho f

[waza]

Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.

Why did you out what u gave? U could have just claimed inventor and left it at that

[Maple]

Why did you out what u gave? U could have just claimed inventor and left it at that

No reason not to, it's easily derivable from my post at start of day.

[dyachei]

why couldn't he just be a wolf who was getting progressively boxed in by other reads on you?

when you said you cleared him at eod i thought you meant like, actually eod

what's your read on him if you ignore how he's reading you entirely?

trying to get caught up, but this stuck out to me

If I ignore how he's reading me entirely he's kind of null to me. he's done things I think are towny and things I think are wolfy.

That's why I'm leaning on that, and yes, he could have felt boxed out, but a lot of people werent reading me all that strongly at the time so...idk

[dyachei]

yeah I've kind of come around to that; want to see what she has to say today/see her claim fully, but



Wait what

I didn't catch that at all, I mean multiple other people also still tried to kill taffy after the claim? I also really wish you didn't say that because I really do not think it was that obvious, so I hope you're wrong.

mostly I think maple is playing super weird if she is a wolf, I really don't think this is how she would be playing this game at all if she had randed wolf. a wolf maple looks at the game and has a 0 posting partner d1 in a REALLY villagery thread full of really strong players, she can surely tell she's gonna have to go deep this game. and just going rask if it turned out there wasn't really a better option at eod was clearly on several people's minds some way or another, I think, at least as some kind of faint consideration. I'm pretty confident she'd have picked up on that, and she both doesn't bus or try to at all look good and ALSO doesn't try to come up with any kind of real, meaningful alternative and just keeps tunneling annika?? idk it's really hard for me to see her choosing not to either try to capitalize on or avoid what happened and also for her to on top of that continue a tunnel that like everyone hates for no productive purpose

like if manti was a wolf she could've focused on pushing taffy or arctic (if they are villagers. if either is a wolf it's even weirder that she didn't try to get any kind of credit out of any of it, like ?????) or ladd (again if he is a villa but like... I mean these options aren't ALL gonna be wolves lol) or if there was another wolf also in danger it's MORE weird that she didn't actually either try to find a real alternative or take a side.

I just don't really see a wolf agenda in her posting at all. if she was a wolf she would be playing wildly different imo. there's a few different ways that could go depending on both her team and the choices she decides to make but none of them look anything like this.

also she would like, reaaallly want to win as a wolf in this playerlist lol

and her posting just isn't really advancing that, she's kinda off on her own adventure tryharding but in a way it's hard to imagine she thinks meaningfully advances her wincon as a wolf

I've actually talked myself into this read being stronger than it was before I typed this out. Her whole play this game is just completely at odds with how I imagine her approaching this game as a wolf.


ladd just kinda feels a bit idk, off. his posts just feel like they are missing something? he doesn't pop out as having done anything strongly villagery. not a read I feel super great about. shouldn't be a wolf with taffy though.

ender is a bit complicated. part of me just thinks they don't seem like they're on a team/in a wolfchat at all? certain kind of almost diconnected/off on their own. I don't see an agenda, they're just kind of meandering around thinking about things. but it's in such a way I kinda feel like I might be misreading a style thing? idk, I almost wrote them with a question mark in that second town tier.

Lissa's part on Ladd is like...spot on

[dyachei]

feels shitty for ben to call me villagery when I've been around then voting me anyway but I kind of get it. I'm just disappointed because my time has been severely limited this game so far and I'm likely to miss eod tomorrow, too

[dyachei]

im kind of getting arctic v vibes from his posts. there's something...nonchalant about them? and that fits with the pr claim

[dyachei]

I still think ben is a villager

I think waza is a villager and reading him is always like vibes for me. He feels good in thread rn and he's not backing down on his convictions

Lissa probably v, the relief feels palpable after last game

I want visor to be a villager, and I think he is, but I'm clearly not unbiased here. I think his posts are visor-y though and they can go either way sometimes. I just think he tips the scale to villager

I'm backing off my v read of ladd because I agree with lissa that he feels off even if he is trying to hit the right notes and I'm concerned he had a hard time finding me

idk what to do with taffy's claim

Idk how to read ender well

Maple isn't striking me as overly villagery but I do think the item thing might be v

[Lissa]

im kind of getting arctic v vibes from his posts. there's something...nonchalant about them? and that fits with the pr claim

Why does nonchalance fit with pr claim for you

I believe the arctic claim, just more trying to like understand this particular line of thought because I kinda tilted my head at it when I read it

[dyachei]

I did have concerns wrt sunbae on the level of *vibes* and us not talking on a similar level to we have on past games, but that sort of thing could be accounted for w/ sunbae just not being into the game and not really being here for the game. I'm still processing if this could be a reflection on aligment, cause I had initially believed that that was all it was.,

See thats exactly what I'm saying lol

You're contradicting and counterarguing with irrelevant things, such as how katz of all people push you. If you want to call my push on you OMGUS, that's fine by me.

In fact I'd say over the years I have a pretty good track record of doming wolves into a grave when they try going on me lol

i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.

im inventing to someone who is probably v who is probably not dying

surely i dont stack with the wolves for 2 days in a row again

@Maple what are you referring to here with the bombs thing?

[Maple]

@Maple what are you referring to here with the bombs thing?

My post on d1 where I hardclaimed bomb inventor

Was a reference to the hsr game wherein I roleswapped waza who was the bomb inventor backup (sorc)