Quote Originally Posted by nebjiamn View Post
sorry arctic, i can believe you could mess up the claim but the combination of you firmly playing like not-a-PR yesterday and trying to push-out-a-PR instead and also your solve just kind of sucking (fmpov) makes me want to just unabashedly kill you. i'm obviously town -- and even though i'm pushing you, i legitimately think you would be able to find me here and not just brush things off as 'acting.' its as if you have condensed all of my posting, all of which is supremely villagery (as evidenced by the abundance of players correctly townclearing me), and distilled it into the most uncharitable takes so you can justify pushing me.

i also think lissa's posting last night, while drunk, reads incredibly pure and uninformed, so beyond just having a bad read on me, i think your suggestion that lissa is the yin to my yang is also likely wrong and I just think you'd be able to find at least one of us, but you've instead sunk your teeth into ladd as your sure town from all of this. c'est la vie. imo, ladd seems like one of hte people from your position you should be most sus of tbh

your responses to my suggesting we discuss the optimality of using town-KP on a non-claimed PR in yourself, because you were sorta in my townreads at SOD, just reads like you thought you had a gotcha moment on me when the reality is i had you in the tier of townleans that i did not feel super comfortable about and this was especially true as my starting POE for the day whittled down (sunbae died, my waza epiphany, and taffy re-asserting their claim). i think it is more likely you were amazed you had been targetted with a douse and the realities of you just shrug dying when you were in a pretty monstrous spot otherwise left you spiraling and needing to come up with something you hadn't thought through.

if you're town PR, you saw me write that and got all big in your britches because you're PR who firmly asserted they were always VT and would never play eod1 the way you did as VT and then comically misunderstood your role on day 2 when the realities came crashing down. i just don't believe this is likely even if i think it is possible, especially when i pair it with how you've solved the game from your distinct point of view. i wouldn't and won't flame you if you are town but i would probably ask you in future games to not get so caught up in thinking incorrect reads against you are a bigger sin BECAUSE you're a PR. that's how you read to me right now fwiw, so I kinda just hope you're wolf who's flailing and omgussing instead.

i will give you this: in the world you are town, i think your next most likely hit from your current solve is maple, who you've placed me in a difference check with. this is where possible redemption is for you if town, but i am not killing maple here today anymore because atp we are just testing a 50/50 and we at least have decent confirmation of their role being real in comparison to yours, even if its existence doesn't necessarily confirm its alignment.

if others feel strongly about your reaction my suggestion would be to kill dya instead because I think they have the most equity as a partner for you in addition to just sort of similarly slipping into a poe in the worlds you are town along with the other PR claims are town and then do the spiel ladd is talking about re: mech
How is Lissa's posting last night uninformed unless you think I'm town, which you clearly don't? You will spin this as another "fake gotcha" probably but I legitimately don't think you can feel Lissa's posts are uninformed unless you know that I'm town which isn't a view that you appear to be repping

I read all of her posts today when I made the post in which I voted you. Before you made your post about my claim being fake, Lissa had done basically no wolfhunting and very little that can be construed as solving in general today. I think this is a very strong lobby in which people who have randed wolf are capable of making decent sounding posts, so I am more interested in who is pushing the game where. I am considering Lissa's mindset and direction and I do not see someone who is interested in advancing the town wincondition. In isolation I wouldn't necessarily call the lack of wolf hunting condemning in the context of this day since everyone is playing sluggish and solving around the PRs instead of any real substance based solving. But most people are happy with the Maple elim (pre-claim) so this is somewhat more understandable for those who are. The issue is that Maple is the default elimination today (pre-claim) and Lissa was townreading her but hasn't really done anything to meaningfully push any alternative - I don't really count her push on Ladd given it felt more like shrug/shade, and even if I do, outside of that it was not really obvious who she thinks can be a wolf, which gives me the impression she is not looking to find them.

I do not think it is a coincidence that her most significant solving efforts in this game were precipitated by your push on me. It seems intentional, either to poison the thread or to appear as though she does not have TMI

I do not think wolves are playing today (or well, this cycle) to lose another wolf. Ladd argued that I should not be ignited when I was still unclaimed. This is narrowing the POE on himself for no reason. It is very easy to do as you and some others did which is to just argue that oh well it's town kp, we should use it. And Ladd does not think that my mistake is actually outting and is willing to consider another vote today, even if it gets himself killed. On top of that he has just been generally villagery on posting today which I have already outlined. Why should I be the most suspicious of him?

I should clarify that I do not think me being a PR makes the wolfreads against me worse. I would be as suspicious of you either way for advocating to ignite me even if I was vanilla - it still takes the ML way and such. It is true that the second point of now advocating to not ignite me wouldn't really matter. But that is not clouded by my own judgement, it is an objective fact that if my role is real wolves will not want me to be able to use it tonight. That doesn't mean you have to be a wolf, but that your current stance is aligning with the wolf agenda at this moment in time.

I am not interested in going dya for the reasons I have already outlined. I would invite you to reconsider your townread on Lissa if you are town