Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Arctic]

I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off


Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours

rask overtook me at :59

deadline was :01 not :00

i would have tried to claim at :00 if i was still top wagon but i was happy risking it because my role isnt that important

sup

i am interested in your thoughts

why are you sure lissa is town? i don't think they were playing like a villager concerned that town was going to sleepwalk into the maple elim which is someone they were townreading

are you still wolfreading benneh or no?

i think the dya stuff is hard to like, willingly lock someone over so i can kinda get it but i haven't really found them wolfy regardless so i don't see much of a reason to go there

[Visor]

I am not sure Lissa is town

I am actually trending down there

[didistetter]

@pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.

So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983, 987, 1005, and 1007?

[Visor]

Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

Explain how this is Wolfy lol

Why wouldn't he do that as a village pr

[Arctic]

@pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.

So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983, 987, 1005, and 1007?

i'm shrugging it off because i don't really think the guy is a wolf

it is obvious that i am not trying to kill anyone except myself because i have given two specific targets who no one else wants

what exactly do you expect me to do

my read on benneh is based on objective information and i don't townread his posts today

my read on lissa is more up to debate, but as far as i can tell it is true. she has not meaningfully suggested who a wolf is pre-benneh's post about me

[Visor]

I could see both of them as wolves

I think benneh has tried to overpower you today rather than come to the right answer

And I just feel like Lissa is approaching things like she just did in her recent game

Too many other things to weigh up though

But I can definitely see it

[Totally not Taffy]

...huh? that post isn't alignment indicative, he was just explaining a mech point about sunbae's role and the night kill on benneh's behalf (literally re-iterating what he was implying) so i'm curious why you think this means anything



i agree with this

like,, if wolf manti hard pushes a ML there then the wolves in rask/taffy just die shortly afterwards (probably..) and she can easily die right after that. and i don't think voting rask really does much for her either. i think this is easily a game where if you get randed with afk partners you just do some weird shit and lean into this sort of reasoning to get townread. or at least that's what i'd do

i think this point holds more legitimacy concerning the rest of her play in the phase which was originally why i had them as town, and do kinda vibe that way still, but it's not really enough to move the needle for me

If Arctic flips wolf Maple is never ever the partner I want to point this out
his D1 progression on her was weak townread to dropping that when she got pushed EoD and then this pushing back on Lissa's view of EoD (which is also how I read it), it just aligns too much with the thought I had earlier that Manti has become part of wolves' wincon
I can't see this as distancing

Taffy (13)

[didistetter]

Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.

Explain how this is Wolfy lol

Why wouldn't he do that as a village pr

becasuse as town PR he knows he's right, thread's wrong, and bad shit is happening.

Using that as a basis to solve gives you a lot of insight, but his posting doesn't at all sound to me like he's actually solving with knowledge he's town attempting to figure out who's pushing him. He made multiple posts arguing why 4 PR makes sense here b/c his role is weak, but he called manti probably fake and diff checked manti/benneh.

The solving around "benneh thought i was vanilla FPSing" and "lissa being performative" just didn't feel real at all to me. Espec with the insta pivot into "lissa uninformed" but back into lissa partnered with ben and then asking ben how lissa is ever uninformed. I've actually struggled a lot with what to make of benneh this game, and it's partially tone/style but none of this strikes me as real solving and the stuff he's vocalizing isn't any of the issue's I've had with ben. Obvi if he's PR that would mean he's probs focus on the claim stuff more, but I it doesn't sound like he's actually gone back through benneh's D1/today to reeval, just pushing what he can latch onto and sell.


a few hedges:

972 was probably the best post from his spiel

He said he would quit posting because people wouldn't care because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" but like... most people here absolutely *would* care about that pov, espec once their worldview is shooken up.

He also called himself confirmable tho which ig is technically true, but it reqs using the track on arctic to make sure 1. he visits you, 2. you don't die. In that world we don't mislunch a pr today tho, so it's worth considering.

[annika]

i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position

i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up

i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate

i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be

anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care

if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here

having my own reasons to scumread you and thinking about your claim in the context of the game instead of just parroting "killing arctic is mechanically optimal" is literally so townie bro lmao, how is that what youre wolfreading??

maybe I just have an exaggerated sense of how I should look from your PoV considering if youre town I defended three town PRs and killed a wolf. nah I get it tho that was TMI ong

I already pinged you with why I thought it wasn't Ben before and after I thought you were a wolf and you didnt respond either time so saying "no one is willing to engage with me" is like. smh. but anyway my bad if youre town, you should leave a legacy and I'll consider it if youre v maybe. (or I can make fun of you in post :3)

[Arctic]

becasuse as town PR he knows he's right, thread's wrong, and bad shit is happening.

Using that as a basis to solve gives you a lot of insight, but his posting doesn't at all sound to me like he's actually solving with knowledge he's town attempting to figure out who's pushing him. He made multiple posts arguing why 4 PR makes sense here b/c his role is weak, but he called manti probably fake and diff checked manti/benneh.

The solving around "benneh thought i was vanilla FPSing" and "lissa being performative" just didn't feel real at all to me. Espec with the insta pivot into "lissa uninformed" but back into lissa partnered with ben and then asking ben how lissa is ever uninformed. I've actually struggled a lot with what to make of benneh this game, and it's partially tone/style but none of this strikes me as real solving and the stuff he's vocalizing isn't any of the issue's I've had with ben. Obvi if he's PR that would mean he's probs focus on the claim stuff more, but I it doesn't sound like he's actually gone back through benneh's D1/today to reeval, just pushing what he can latch onto and sell.


a few hedges:

972 was probably the best post from his spiel

He said he would quit posting because people wouldn't care because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" but like... most people here absolutely *would* care about that pov, espec once their worldview is shooken up.

He also called himself confirmable tho which ig is technically true, but it reqs using the track on arctic to make sure 1. he visits you, 2. you don't die. In that world we don't mislunch a pr today tho, so it's worth considering.

how have i not been solving who is pushing me in good faith / bad faith

that makes up at least half of my posts since i came back

it is in fact exactly what i am doing - with benneh, with lissa, with pzelda, with annika, with ladd

you can say it's bad if you want but i'm still trying lol

i am not inclined to believe people will care about my pov with how much my reads are being discredited with "you are biased" right in front of my face, evidently i am more capable of reading the room than you are of reading my posts

[Arctic]

having my own reasons to scumread you and thinking about your claim in the context of the game instead of just parroting "killing arctic is mechanically optimal" is literally so townie bro lmao, how is that what youre wolfreading??

maybe I just have an exaggerated sense of how I should look from your PoV considering if youre town I defended three town PRs and killed a wolf. nah I get it tho that was TMI ong

I already pinged you with why I thought it wasn't Ben before and after I thought you were a wolf and you didnt respond either time so saying "no one is willing to engage with me" is like. smh. but anyway my bad if youre town, you should leave a legacy and I'll consider it if youre v maybe. (or I can make fun of you in post :3)

i asked you who you would want to kill if not me and you ignored it (im not sure if you still want to kill maple after their claim)

you also ignored me on lissa

you also did not tell me what i should be doing instead when i asked

[annika]

i asked you who you would want to kill if not me and you ignored it (im not sure if you still want to kill maple after their claim)

you also ignored me on lissa

you also did not tell me what i should be doing instead when i asked

idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY

i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben

[annika]

lissa I've mostly been TRing for her opening post about being relieved to rand v, and then she voted Rask yesterday which I liked

not really the strongest reasoning but. yeah

[Maple]

Vote: sleep

We need more information

[ladd]

alrighty, started re reading the game

pg1 looks a villa fest lmao

ben lightly villagery for maybe silly reasons

curios what were these silly reasons? @Lissa

maple's entry sucks but probly not in an alignment indicative way which is a shame cause she probably coulda seized an easy town read if town by just being less potato. palpability such as in lissa's posting would have been neat to see. oh well.

to be clear i dont expect to change my read on benneh on this re read, its by far the strongest villa read i have and if he is not a villager i should just hang em up (he is a villager tho), but stuff like this are example of things a wolves doesnt say (iirc this is where my v read on benneh started)

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Maybe lol

I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be

She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up

Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.

This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well

So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped

Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her

Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol

villagery post, i checked back on sod and the timing lines up with waza thought process

my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.

stett had such a weird start to the game (i expect to find out they are an obvious villager later in my read). like idk how throwing random villa reads is generating content and i am confused how lissa is your top v read unless you super value their "relief at randing v" post which like i think is fairly nai?


on pg.5. so far nothing really wolfy (besides taffy string of posts which i still hate but gonna leave alone)

[Arctic]

idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY

i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben

lissa I've mostly been TRing for her opening post about being relieved to rand v, and then she voted Rask yesterday which I liked

not really the strongest reasoning but. yeah

there are 2-3 nontown left which means even if i am a wolf there's 1-2 and you have zero suspects outside of me

does that not concern you somewhat

or perhaps i should ask you who you'd kill tomorrow

lissa only voted rask after trying to kill me first so i would give her no cred for that

[Totally not Taffy]

If I cross with the kill I die lol

Ohhh forget about that chat then

@Maple

Taffy (15)

[Arctic]

Vote: sleep

We need more information

it's pretty wolfy how you've managed to fully avoid taking a stance on me today in spite of all the discourse

anyway i think i'm probably at postcap now so that looks like it will be all folks

lissa is a wolf because she tried to wolfside at eod1 and hasn't tried to find a wolf today despite the consensus elim being maple (before the me shenanigans) and her biggest burst of solving conveniently being a bunch of nonsense preflipping me wolf

benneh is a wolf because he has taken the most wolfsided stances with handling my slot today, defending a 0 posting rask isn't really an option, i think he got the towncred there and is burning it today by trying to suggest to ignite me when i was unclaimed and now not wanting to let me live now that i have claimed. @annika i do not think it is implausible that benneh saw waza's post right before he made his and got cold feet that i was a PR and considered i was VT fps'ing and then found the inconsistency and decided to make a gotcha out of it

taffy is probably a third party because she has not attempted to solve the game today and went back to calling me an outted wolf, but with the wording of rask's role she is probably not a wolf

ladd, visor and dya are town and the wolves are going to try and push them tomorrow, don't let them plz

[Totally not Taffy]

idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY

i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben

We had a mafia inventor a few games back (a mafia vest giver, specifically) which was also one of Gemma's games
Dunno how likely she is to repeat herself

Taffy (16)

[Arctic]

vote: Lissa

[didistetter]

[SPOILER=Order of votes eod:]On #640 maple, arctic, sundae, annika all sitting at 2 votes, post sunbae and taffy claims

Lissa votes arctic
Waza unvotes arctic
Arctic votes taffy
Waza votes taffy
Visor votes taffy
Stett votes rask
Benneh votes ladd

4 votes on taffy (arctic, visor, ladd, waza)
3 votes on arctic (ender, lissa, taffy)
2 on sundae (dya, pzelda)
Rest vanities

Arctic susses maple, lissa defends taffy
Benneh votes maple
Visor votes rask at :59 (makes wagons 3, 3, 2, 2)
Annika votes rask at :59 (makes wagons 3, 3, 3, 2)
Benneh votes rask at :59 (4,3,3)
Ender swaps to maple (4, 3 (on taffy), 2)
Lissa then votes rask (5, 3 (on taffy), 2) [/SPOILER]

Few things: it’s possible ender saw ben’s vote on maple and went there hoping it might get traction over rask since me/annika were actively saying “don’t kill arctic”
Lissa didn’t vote till arctic wagon was fully dismantled: she had already said she didn’t want to vote taffy, so she can’t tie there as maf.

I truly don’t think off votes ben/lissa are like… ever a pair tho arctic.
Rask doesn’t need to die there. Ben and lissa can both go on maple, tying wagons 3/3/3, and annika or me would viably join them to save taffy. There can be one busier but I don’t think there’s ever two. Lissa had the read justification to go on either arctic or maple. Ben can easily vote maple (annika and I might cook him if he goes arctic)

Voting an afk really isn’t enough cred to justify double stacking there

[ladd]

waza is still too on the nose on the joke about rask being outed/a wolf to be w/w with them eheh (serious read, i think they'd be more self conscious about it and not be so heavy handed at least)


visor pushing a lot unpopular angles but i think i like it? all the stuff he has said so far i find plausible/believable

maybe

to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance

actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)

i buy this read

Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.

villagery thought #1

honestly i think they are both townie

everyone is kinda townie except 1 guy... imo...

who was that @Arctic


here is when artic/ender start posting. arctic gives a light w read on ender (idk their read seems fine tbh) and ender votes them



tbh i like ender post on pg.9/10

Sunbae can be my bae for now.

I almost think this is like, pockety?

like... obviously ender doesn't really have the context either. but not saying anything about it himself and just directly going to agreeing with sunbae about it kinda feels fake

Kinda dont like this lissa post..like if I squint I can see what they are saying but seems like a forced read to me

otoh their strong of posts after feels better

@nebjiamn

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how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup

what a weird question lmao

not gonna quote but pzelda continues making extremely intricate thoughts with a touch of paranoia that i dont think a wold would be able to fake and are out of zelda wolf range from my recollection of his meta anyway


pg. 11 and still dont feel strongly about anyone being a wolf uh oh

[Arctic]

it's pretty wolfy how you've managed to fully avoid taking a stance on me today in spite of all the discourse

anyway i think i'm probably at postcap now so that looks like it will be all folks

lissa is a wolf because she tried to wolfside at eod1 and hasn't tried to find a wolf today despite the consensus elim being maple (before the me shenanigans) and her biggest burst of solving conveniently being a bunch of nonsense preflipping me wolf

benneh is a wolf because he has taken the most wolfsided stances with handling my slot today, defending a 0 posting rask isn't really an option, i think he got the towncred there and is burning it today by trying to suggest to ignite me when i was unclaimed and now not wanting to let me live now that i have claimed. @annika i do not think it is implausible that benneh saw waza's post right before he made his and got cold feet that i was a PR and considered i was VT fps'ing and then found the inconsistency and decided to make a gotcha out of it

taffy is probably a third party because she has not attempted to solve the game today and went back to calling me an outted wolf, but with the wording of rask's role she is probably not a wolf

ladd, visor and dya are town and the wolves are going to try and push them tomorrow, don't let them plz

i forgot to mention benneh called lissa's posts today uninformed because he knows i am not a wolf and her posts were preflipping me as wolf

stett i saw your last post and i have no idea what you are talking about ngl, wolves arent going to stack on a villager to save an afk wolf especially if they are relying on rand, it's too bait lol

[ladd]

tho i wanna say lissa/ender/artic are all not w/w with each other and there shouldddd be exactly 1 wolf in there

[didistetter]

i forgot to mention benneh called lissa's posts today uninformed because he knows i am not a wolf and her posts were preflipping me as wolf

stett i saw your last post and i have no idea what you are talking about ngl, wolves arent going to stack on a villager to save an afk wolf especially if they are relying on rand, it's too bait lol

it's more the point tehy didn't need to stack on the AFK wolf :wowee:

rask does not need to die there f both lissa and ben are wolves.

I also reread lissa and idk she just sounds villagery to me (d1, some of the processing of the claim stuff today is bleh)
i dont think ben can be w/w with annika, lissa, maple, ladd, visor, you, taffy, or dya

so like if he's wolf it's only with ender or pzelda.

Frankly a lot of pzelda's posts have thrown me off and I think he tr me far too easily for someone who's never seen me play, but everyone who knows him has called him obvitown and out of range so I'm taking that at face value because I absolutely cannot be bothered to attempt to find a scumgame to compare on this website. If ben is wolf i think he's wolf with pzelda lmao but ladd and visor have also called pzelda out of range so I'm not fussed about that world.

ik sleep is bad cause we're giving up town kp and taffy probs just dies but also idk who tf to kill lol

gotta run errands bbl

[ladd]

i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here

i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.

this post seems villagery. admittedely i have no idea how artic plays as a wolf, but i can see a villager who has a world view they came to organically in here

at the very least if they are a wolf, the other wolf prolly isnt deep and arctic needed to rock the boat (alas push me/sunbae/visor)


weirdest thing is arctic confidence in villareading maple


this is where arctic/dya/waza start pushing sunbae

then benneh and visor join in

Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

think this is around where i started dropping my v read on visor. this read seemed ike the stretch and the full stop seemed done more to look villagery cause it's such a nitpick

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Vote: Sunbae



50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped

town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza

towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei

sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it

null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov

nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad

concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika


i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm

concern pile is prolly 0/3 but i still dont really see benneh as a wolf lol maybe i am a dummie but every post from him just screams "i am a villager trying to figure out the game" to me

ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it

and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much

yeaaaa i dunno i know it's 2025 and not 2020 so i can't pretend i am a good dya reader anymore but this post is out of range for my mental image of how dya would post as a wolf



i think there is a wolf in ender/artic

Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.

As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.

That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.

Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.


Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days

bolded seems like a good point, prolly worth keeping in mind the whole post

[ladd]

personally I think he's villagery, he might get more obvious on D2 or D3 idk lol but seems fine for now

I'm acknowledging he has the type of playstyle I get pocketed by, but... he still has good posts where he's like "we should vote Taffy" at the moment when Sunbae was getting pressured and towntelling. feels like he townread her but didn't outright say it (probably because he wasnt that confident) which rings townie imo (451). like I kinda got the sense he was thinking "no I really don't think this is the right direction" when he posted that

this is such a good read. yall should learn how to read me from annika


but really, nice read. that was exactly my mindset when i made that post

[didistetter]

@Visor bleh go ahead and track arctic pls
@Totally not Taffy idk who's good to douse but i truly truly dont think annika ever sells out a partner (afk or otherwise) to shield PR. She was scumreading arctic until eod then switched, that's not w/w for her. Please don't douse that. Selfishly a douse but not ignite on benneh might be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine but also idk. I won't cry if you light up tonight but it would be a massive bummer to turn mountainous


Dunno lol minimum one wolf is playing rlly well. Would be swag if maple/dya could give more thots, but availability/investment can't be forced

@annika disloyal inventor is extremely possible. Do not lock clear maple for the claim. That would be like lock clearing wisdom for claiming 2-shot firefighter.

[annika]

there are 2-3 nontown left which means even if i am a wolf there's 1-2 and you have zero suspects outside of me

does that not concern you somewhat

or perhaps i should ask you who you'd kill tomorrow

lissa only voted rask after trying to kill me first so i would give her no cred for that

I'm not killing Ben/Waza/Stett/Visor/pzelda/Taffy
Visor is the weakest of these because he doesn't explain much but it's the. vibe. I guess. and he has the Rask pelt too

I can't kill Maple either bc of her claim (i guess im just hoping that resolves overnight XD)

I'm still thinking Ladd is town

GtH between Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya hmm. I think Ladd/Ender are.. more townie?

I think I'll need to reread a bit. why do you have Dya locktown, is it for the post they made about Sunbae like Ladd mentioned? @Arctic

ugh that doesn't feel right tho LOL the game feels incomplete when Maple is town ??

[ladd]

i reached EoD. taffy claims

There is anticlaim?? Also I have no idea where you were softing that. I'm kinda surprised you spent this time waffling finding people to call town instead of finding a wolf. If you were a PR it would be better to just push on some random person to save yourself, but this doesn't really feel like that

this is...funny given how the game turned out but also kinda nonsensical. Being a PR doesnt mean u push random people lol

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

idk if u are capped now but if not what did you mean with this?



stett playing EoD like a villager that doesnt have TMI, i think




i dislike ender push on lissa for having too many villareads, lacks a bit of nuance IYAM

I'm pretty sure taffy just made up the anticlaim thing so that she didn't have to come up with a fakeclaim

I have no reason to believe it exists

prolly a slight point in favour of arctic being a PR


reading this EoD i think sunbae got NKed tbh. He was pretty heavy handed with the PRs soft


sunbae feeling very strong on lissa v. def not going against that read for today

annika also obvious villager from this EoD


not being here for EoD didnt make me appreciate how quick the rask wagon is

4/3/3 at :59 with

rask - benneh,visor,annika,stett

arctic - ender,lissa,taffy

taffy - arctic,waza,ladd


then ender goes off wagon (weird move if wolf with rask) and lissa hammers rask


i think wolves would be cool with bussing a 0 poster but the way it happened, i think it's more likely the rask wagon was just villagers who werent satisfied with wagons after chaos from taffy claim and decided to take the easy way out last minute



if arctic is a wolf, the only options are like dya/waza/pzelda for other wolf i feel and uh i almost think waza is the most likely out of those even tho i don't really believe it