Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[nebjiamn]

mountainous world (e.g. taffy can't ignite and wolves have no other KP, town has no more saves)
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill -> 7:2
miselim -> 6:2
nightkill -> 5:2
mislim -> 4:2
nightkill -> 3:2
lylo

assuming KP is basically just taffy who gets 2 kills off (seems unlikely but yolo)
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill -> 7:2
miselim -> 6:2
nightkill + 2 missed douses -> 3:2
lylo

taffy only gets 1 kill off (seems most likely?)
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill + 1 missed douse -> 6:2
miselim -> 5:2
nightkill -> 4:2
sleep -> 3:2
lylo

wolf arso + taffy world
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill + taffy douse + wolf douses -> 4:2
mylo and prob not worth risking sleep lol

taffy IS the wolf arso and this game is bastard
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill -> 7:2
mislim -> 6:2
nightkill + taffy ignites 3 of us noobs -> 2:2
gg we lose

i will call it as us having 3.5 kills before lylo, barring any other wolf KP existing. if taffy is town we should probably ask they just ignite today (assuming it is a reasonable target) and douse no more to maximize and flatten out variance of town KP and utilize the elimination over a sleep day.


if wolves have their own variant of arsonist (which seems v possible to me) we are fucked hehe :)



so of a living PL of 11 players, we need to have a poe of 4 that ALWAYS has 1 wolf for the game to make it to f3 or some variant of that. and of that POE of 4, we would much much much prefer to find 1 wolf before we miselim 3 villagers.

so basically ppl having a poe of 4 is fine and dandy but the more conservative we get (or the more liberal gemma felt at the time of setup creation) then we need to fine tune that

[Gemma]

Flavor note: I was close to putting this in one of the role PMs. David Markson's novel Wittgenstein's Mistress is a personal favorite of mine and this music reminds me of it wonderfully.

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1233

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	ladd (9), nebjiamn (16), waza (5)
2	Lissa	Visor (4), dyachei (12)
6	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (4), Lissa (0), Maple (2), Totally not Taffy (0), didistetter (8), pzelda (0)

[ladd]

vote:maple

[didistetter]

wow best read of the game from me

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stett why the f did you ask this question and what did you possibly think you could glean from it

clearly i was trying to project cop and then hard gave up after two pr claimed, a maf flipped, and i realized cop softing was fucking useless and didn't match setup lol

[didistetter]

people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.

wait what

you and ladd were the people i was sheeping on his meta ;-;

do i actually need to go meta dive him cause i think his posts have been weird

[didistetter]

@nebjiamn

i might be overcooking

is there ever a world that mafia Gemma would make a maf inventor arso?

so like.. town douses via giving bombs
mafia gives out useless inventions that are actually douses?
@Visor it would be extremely helpful if we can know what happened last night

[ladd]

Maple inventions are real, if the track was fake it would be bastard

Doesnt make them a villager tho

I can re read zelda, i havent played with him in a while but last couple of w games i remember from them they had like 1% the depth they have had this game iirc

I also just find them villagery even without meta

[didistetter]

Maple inventions are real, if the track was fake it would be bastard

Doesnt make them a villager tho

I can re read zelda, i havent played with him in a while but last couple of w games i remember from them they had like 1% the depth they have had this game iirc

I also just find them villagery even without meta

so an ability flavored fruit vendor that marks for death would be bastard?

kk ill not get too lost in that then

possibility of wolf arso would just be p cooked for us if we cant get a correct lim today
and presumably if maple provable gave visor a track she cant be wolf kp unless its like, inventions that also douse

[didistetter]

capage wolf game

ok lmfaoooo yeah no he's just town here

can check that off

pzelda/visor town, will sort through rest. I still kinda think ender treatment of arctic was more comfbiased town who believed his read than scum, espec the wall he pinged me with, but i realize that's v unpopular and i need to be able to justify it more fully

[didistetter]

don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.

Vote: benben

gngn

[waza]

I opened the game wanting to openwolf and now I feel compelled to be the voice of reason lol

Errr I’ll let people get it out of their systems first naturally if it can happen that way
@ladd I’ll have a look at what u spoke about with ender and maple not being a team, but yeah if that’s the case u ironically just enderwiggin’ed yourself lol. In that you said ender has to bank on the team being maple/lissa for him to not be a wolf but errr same case is for you lol if you don’t think ender can be with maple. I suppose there’s also the ender and lissa alternative too for your worlds ladd. Given I still think ur probs town anyways even if these worlds fail but yeah I just found it amusing that by pointing out the Enders boxed himself in that you kinda did the same lol

Idk though I remember something about the way maple townread ender on d1 that stood out to me at the time, I’ll have to go look at those posts again some time later

[ladd]

Ya but i did my work to get there

Re reading random parts of the game i kinda like lissa more than ender based on posts alone, lissa/maple just feels a little bit better fit wise but i wouldnt be shocked if its ender/maple

I just dont see who it could be outside those 3 tbh

[Lissa]

preflipping arctic definitely bled into my worldview too much, gonna have to detangle that a bit. he was right about poisoning things i guess

pretty tired, got up early (for me) to do mothers day stuff and then had to deal with some other stuff afterward, mentally dead. will do stuff tomorrow (later today)

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
@Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
@Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
@Lissa i want to hear your worldview.

Nobody @Visor confirm?

I can not stay but Happy gets nervous when I don't check in before breakfast
ftr I am not 3p I am town

Taffy (1)

[didistetter]

Nobody @Visor confirm?

uhm

what

Oh also @Maple

If I understand things correctly (I have only read posts since my own from this morning so far, so not caught up at all) then you're the one handing out the night chats and I would love one tonight

Taffy (11)

also...

huh?

[Totally not Taffy]

uhm

what



also...

huh?

I feel bad about Arctic and I regret not holstering N1

Maple's first post was about her and Visor going on a date I thought they'd had a chat

Taffy (2)

[Visor]

I feel bad about Arctic and I regret not holstering N1

Maple's first post was about her and Visor going on a date I thought they'd had a chat

Taffy (2)

Wat

[waza]

This game delivers

I love you taffy

[didistetter]

@Totally not Taffy what made you think visor tracked you?

[dyachei]

Ben let's talk pzelda because my reasons for v reading there might be bad and they aren't strong

[EnderWiggin]

I mean so you think lissa/maple is the team correct? I assume you dont think you are a wolf

Are u really happy with a poe where that has to be the exact team or u lose fypov

???

11 players alive.

If that poe (including me) is run through, that's down to f5. Assuming no wolves that's only loss if 4 wolves and I don't expect 4?

And I provided a full 5 POE for that exact reason. Lissa/Maple feels best but also idk if I believe that's just that easy.

But I really don't want to care about fighting out of the POE so sure I'm happy with it.

[EnderWiggin]

capage wolf game

ok lmfaoooo yeah no he's just town here

can check that off

pzelda/visor town, will sort through rest. I still kinda think ender treatment of arctic was more comfbiased town who believed his read than scum, espec the wall he pinged me with, but i realize that's v unpopular and i need to be able to justify it more fully

Yeah.

Like unless Pzelda has improved vastly this is just their town game.

As said. As wolf is wet noodle. Is noodling not-wetly.

[EnderWiggin]

Unironically I kinda want to reverse onto Vote: Ladd

That weird comment about it "needing to be exactly this team or you lose" makes me feel like wolf does have arso and it slipped.

(Obligatory slips aren't real.)

[EnderWiggin]

don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.

Vote: benben

gngn

Talk to me about why Ben? I really don't think that realisation sequence was faked.

[ladd]

Unironically I kinda want to reverse onto Vote: Ladd

That weird comment about it "needing to be exactly this team or you lose" makes me feel like wolf does have arso and it slipped.

(Obligatory slips aren't real.)

Brah how is this a real thought

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn

i might be overcooking

is there ever a world that mafia Gemma would make a maf inventor arso?

so like.. town douses via giving bombs
mafia gives out useless inventions that are actually douses?
@Visor it would be extremely helpful if we can know what happened last night

this is kind of what i was alluding to when I asked visor if there was some chance there could be consequences, but the more I think about it the less I can imagine an implementation where it isn't bastard

[pzelda]

I'm here and I'm finally in front of a normal display. I'm going to reread the game and collect my thoughts. At least that's the plan.

First about the yesterday. Shortly before the deadline it became almost evident that a miselim was about to happen. I know I was passive myself, but I think looking at players who were happy with the state of the thread is a good idea. Yeah, I def won't sheep Benneh today and I'll put some effort into solving him, knowing that most if not all of his pushes d1 and d2 were on town.
Annika dying at night is spicy and I won't read too much into it. I'm interested to hear from Visor tbh.

[pzelda]

i'm halfway through day 1 and here's where i'm at:

-visor is my top townread through those posts

-some of stett's early day 1 is of serious concern and i probably wouldn't even bring this up normally out of fear of derailing the game thread but this should sincerely be looked at if she's alive at like f5 or something

-i don't really get the pzelda trs so far? not that the posts are wolfy but theres an aloofness to them that I feel like is possible some people are ascribing to be out of his wolf range? i don't know capage's meta at all nor have i seen previous org wolf games but i just don't get it.

-something in my brain is telling me through the first half of the day that maple and lissa are not paired. i don't have any interactions to back this up, its just a vibe thing with how SOD came and went and their own places within it. also the way lissa explains their tr on maple at one moment just feels kinda unpaired--if she's town it was either genuine confusion about maple's alignment but if she's wolf then it feels carefully crafted to look partnery but idk if it actually means they're partnery?

-some of waza's early day moves are very very pro town. probably in the way that they should be clearing for him? but idk. he's so unorthodox its hard to gauge--if half the list had his posts i'd be very sure they're town but idk

i'm sure lots of things will shake up for eod

I was just thinking about Stett's d1 and how they got comfortable in the thread and that I should pay more attention.
I get your point about people townreading me. I know I'm out of my meta, but tbh with my level of activity (playing 1 game a year), I'm out of my meta in every game as both alignments. I think my meta could be forgetting about the game by now. So, sitting so comfortably in townreads so early felt good but it weirded me out.

[pzelda]

tbh I think Benneh noticing the same things as me (or which I can recall noticing) is a good look again. I promise I put little more work into reading him, but It's very unlikely that I would start suspecting him.

[pzelda]

Soe early thoughts, while catching up.

1. Wolves are not afraid of Taffy
2. People I want to tr the most rn are ladd/dya/stett/waza
3. I probably should pay more attention to dya. That's not the best d3 entrance.
4. I think Benneh started the day well. I'm not sheeping him today, but I still lean that it's more likely for him to be town. Esp. if he does another reread of the game.
5. If Ladd is a wolf, he's walking a narrow line. I mean lissa/maple makes sense. I need to check if it's clear how he arrived there.
6. Yeah, Lissa is also someone to reconsider. It would be funny if my d1 lissa/maple w/w vibes were real.
7. I keep forgetting about Ender. I think they should be town, but I admit that it's not based on much and that's not good for d3.
8. I can see an outside chance of Visor being a wolf. I think my problem with him is that I both townlean him and I want him to be town. I like being on a team with nl.
9. I should focus on whether Maple actually cares about solving the game.
10. lissa/maple/ender/ladd poe seems about right. Funny is that it's ladd's poe plus ladd. I feel that before setling on it we should talk more about Taffy (and I would like to see where they are at rn. What's their read on Benneh now?). We probably should talk some more about Visor and push him to post something more substantial. It's d3 after all. Maybe everyone posting their list in the first half of d3 would be a good idea.

tbh not sure how to approach a proper reread after such a long time. Hopefully, It's not a total mess.