Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[nebjiamn]

what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper

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uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

[nebjiamn]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

[nebjiamn]

the only reason i thought that role was entirely clearing of being mafia was because i took rask's role to be a way for mafia to have gated KP (e.g. they could ignite a town/3p douse, which kinda served as the 'anti-claim' that taffy was talking about)

but since mafia don't actually ignite the town, why can't this just be part of their role set?

[Maple]

brother ive been calling taffy meowted for a hot minute

and yes, i was aware that it's a jani

[Maple]

actually that would explain a post you made

[nebjiamn]

brother ive been calling taffy meowted for a hot minute

and yes, i was aware that it's a jani

if you think that then why are you pushing ladd

[Maple]

if you think that then why are you pushing ladd

people dont wanna kill her because she's just 3p or w/e nonsense people have been saying

she certainly aint v so who cares idgi im still annoyed taht like 2 or 3 other people got to arctic v yday and none of them voted with me

[nebjiamn]

people dont wanna kill her because she's just 3p or w/e nonsense people have been saying

she certainly aint v so who cares idgi im still annoyed taht like 2 or 3 other people got to arctic v yday and none of them voted with me

well speaking generally, it'd be a big dum dum move for wanting to kill her so hard on day 2 if she's only ever 'not town' aka 'only has 3p equity' with 2 wolves alive and your infatuation with that resolving that as if its a priority world is one of the more wolfy things about you

[pzelda]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

I suggest Taffy should be more involved in solving the game. I'm more likely to lock them town for that tnan for a claim. Tbh with your observation it would make some sense for them to be aligned with mafia. Basically, it could be that anti-claim mechanic. Douse a player and then janitor them while killing that. Do you think it would make sense balance wise?

[pzelda]

Btw taffy, what's your take on Visor? You asked Dya and Ladd a whole bunch of questions, but I have to admit I would like to know your take too.

[Maple]

brb throwing myself into the ocean

[nebjiamn]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

[Maple]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

thats craaaaaazy

[Visor]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

Did stett claim they got something

[Totally not Taffy]

Btw taffy, what's your take on Visor? You asked Dya and Ladd a whole bunch of questions, but I have to admit I would like to know your take too.

I think Visor is town bc of how he's posting. I thought the inaccuracy he pointed out in Arctic's D1 case (against Visor) was justified and I'm sure he'd have made that post as either alignment. If I get round to reading D2 I might change my mind if I feel like he was standing aside and letting the town circus happen, but his posts today are also very towny. So for the time being Visor lives in the "don't vote till FX" category, together with you, Ender, Happy, and Benneh.

Taffy (11)

[pzelda]

I think Visor is town bc of how he's posting. I thought the inaccuracy he pointed out in Arctic's D1 case (against Visor) was justified and I'm sure he'd have made that post as either alignment. If I get round to reading D2 I might change my mind if I feel like he was standing aside and letting the town circus happen, but his posts today are also very towny. So for the time being Visor lives in the "don't vote till FX" category, together with you, Ender, Happy, and Benneh.

Taffy (11)

It still feels like he's standing aside not really helping town on the right course. Also, pointing out inaccuracies in a case aimed at you is easy tbh.

[Totally not Taffy]

It still feels like he's standing aside not really helping town on the right course. Also, pointing out inaccuracies in a case aimed at you is easy tbh.

Yeah my point about the case there was mostly that it's NAI and I don't hold it against him.
What would you like him to do in order to help town get on the right course?

Taffy (13)

[pzelda]

I'm going to waste one more post on mechanics before returning to my reread.

I can see a point of having a complicated janitor. It would give mafia half a killing role. There would be always an interesting decision for them to either explode a player or lose that extra kill and go with the janitor. I don't know how this combination jives with 2 half lightning rods and a inventor (unreliable informative + protective role).
The other thing is that the janitor is only hiding roles. So, ladd's probably right, because it would only make sense to use to hide a mafia role to me. Accidently janitoring town might be pro-town.

Ok, I feel like dropping this notion and returning to Taffy v/3p.

[pzelda]

Also, to sum up where I'm at (I think it might be slightly confusing for you)
Towncore (I just don't consider entertaining a vote) - benneh, dya, stett
3p/town - Taffy
Towny players I find myself agreeing with a lot and I also find them quite towny, but he thread makes me feel like I should doubt them - ladd
Players I found towny and want them to be town, but can see them flipping mafia - Visor
Players I found to be clear towns earlier but I'm reconsidering them now - waza, lissa
Possible wolves, but they also are miselim baits aka it feels too easy - Maple, Ender

Based on this tier list max one wolf in Maple, Ender tbh. I would say my list is quite consensus, maybe too consensus.
Ladd is an interesting one. Quite a few players have voted him over the course of the day and I actually find him townier than most of them rn. So, maybe I should consider these votes.

[pzelda]

The problem with Ender (and with Manti to some extent) is that they're wolfy. Can they be wolves? Yes Can they be wolfy towns manufacturing reads? Absolutely. So, it's natural they are in the poe, but we should be trying to find something they would have no need to do as wolves. Like Ender making quite a few drive by hottakes around page 9 without any pressure on him.

[pzelda]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

[Visor]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I prefer go/at

[Totally not Taffy]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I'm generally pretty ok with all pronouns bc it's interesting to me to see how I come across to ppl. The one exception is "it" bc I'm a person, not an object, and for similar reasons I dislike it when ppl don't capitalise my name.

Taffy (12)

[EnderWiggin]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I honestly don't care.

[pzelda]

I've just recalled Visor's w meta here. He was mostly pocketing old school org/civfans players by reacting to their posts with this emoji
Also, I'm locking Lissa town and I feel good about it. If I'm wrong I'm leaving mafia forever. My reasons can be found if you click the button.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Lissa's been posting well posting reads and all, but I'm not sure just yet if she's trying to solve the game as well. If there are any conclusions.
Waza talking about bussing rask is scary.
#281 is a mindmeld with Lissa on Visor.
Lissa on page 10 is super pleasant, but there's nothing I should lock her town for.
#292 dunno but I don't like this post. On one hand the read on Manti is written in a very flowing way. On the other hand It says nothing. And the question at the end. It makes sense but it also feels a little bit ad hoc.
I should comment on tracks I like. I love Big Thief for example.
I like Lissa's posts here overall. I townlean them, but It might not be enough at this point
Lissa's reaction to sunbae (calling stett town) feels charitable in a villa way.
There's some content in Maple's posts, but man is it burried.
I really like Lissa basically villareading everyone midday 1 that's a STRONG TOWN TELL tbh.
tbh I think I scumread @Sunbae because they're such a good villager it looked fake. They were miles ahead.

Ok, a stupid Lissa meta read. She entered this game after winning as a wolf. She was very charitable with her reads d1 and found everyone villagery midday 1. That would never happen if she were a wolf. I'm locking her town and I'm ready to fight with anyone voting her.

Manti's response to the same post (#322) isn't as towny. I find it interesting that Manti calls Ender town for the second time.
Ladd's overlooking some stuff. It feels like low effort villageing more than like a wolf staying on a surface level.

Visor dropping his Annika v lean when they got under pressure and voted by several town leaders is noteworthy.

pages 9-12 btw. I'm a slow reader.
I think my poe at this point is visor/waza/maple/ender with the focus on the former two.

[pzelda]

Also, I'm kicking Dya out of towncore for now tbh. Btw It's not because of the low levels of activity. It's because of the content of these early posts being kind of weak sauce. I liked them earlier, but I admit I was influenced by my ancient meta on dya (which I love and I tried to play like her in several games).

I hope your cat's doing better btw.

Next point
That last d1 post from waza is something. The section dedicated to Rask is weird? Like he needed to justify the vote, maybe even call out rask a little bit. I admit I might be doing that tunnel vision thing now. Nothing he couldn't write as town.
Calling Sunbae wolf and at the same point declaring that he won't vote there is iffy. Stick to your guns, goes the saying.
And then it's just a pile of words. It feels a lot like a wall made for the sake of posting one. There are some good bits but the overall town is like I could imagine voting most of these players. Not too many townreads. I want to vote now waza tbh.

Vote: waza

[pzelda]

Ok, I should stop wasting posts on bits like this, but I think that the distribution of waffles is:

1-2 in waza, Visor, dya
0-1 in Manti, Ender

There's this hint of doubt in the way Manti townread Ender, but... he could do that as town or push it as his v read for whatever reason as wolf. I wouldn't use that to associate them.
I'm more interested if I can figure out more about waza, dya and Visor. I think they're where we should focus. Like ender and manti are players we're never removing from poe for their posts only (I'm sorry if it's too harsh).

I'm still rereading while writing this and p15 ender looks kinda good. He was laid-back and he was quickshooting posts showing his process. I'm not putting him into my towncore, but I again have a different reason to town lean him.

#450 tbh reads like a w/w interaction from Visor.
#544 is a great post. I want to be as good as Sunbae. 1-2 wolves in waza/visor/dya but not waza+dya makes sense and it makes the game easier.
#555 I want to tr Manti for this post.

Waza voting rask several times is little too much.
Visor voted for Rask at a crucial time makes him look better. Oh, this game's difficult. I was arriving at dya/visor, but I will need more to call them wolves. Visor trending up, at least slightly, with that vote. Does dya make sense without Visor to me with manti? I'm not sure tbh. I don't think so. Visor makes sense with more players and Waza makes sense with Manti or Visor.