Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[Visor]

IMO that actually is one of the more pairing posts for them. it amkes a lot of sense for dya to do some distancing with w!ladd at sod2 given taffy's EOD and a lot of heat expected to come ladd's way as day 2 begins. and their response about how they felt better for him finding them before eod was a bit lackluster.

i don't really wana go down that well but if push comes to shove this isn't something worth clearing a dya/ladd team from existence imo

Where are you at on waza

[EnderWiggin]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I honestly don't care.

[EnderWiggin]

I was considering swapping to Maple again but 3/3 tie good. (Wolfy excuse)
@Totally not Taffy
Don't have energy for that atm. Will think about doing later

[waza]

Also, I'm kicking Dya out of towncore for now tbh. Btw It's not because of the low levels of activity. It's because of the content of these early posts being kind of weak sauce. I liked them earlier, but I admit I was influenced by my ancient meta on dya (which I love and I tried to play like her in several games).

I hope your cat's doing better btw.

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That last d1 post from waza is something. The section dedicated to Rask is weird? Like he needed to justify the vote, maybe even call out rask a little bit. I admit I might be doing that tunnel vision thing now. Nothing he couldn't write as town.
Calling Sunbae wolf and at the same point declaring that he won't vote there is iffy. Stick to your guns, goes the saying.
And then it's just a pile of words. It feels a lot like a wall made for the sake of posting one. There are some good bits but the overall town is like I could imagine voting most of these players. Not too many townreads. I want to vote now waza tbh.

Vote: waza

I like this

(Didn’t read the case just saw the last line)

[ladd]

Yall need jesus

[EnderWiggin]

Yall need jesus

Dw I'm just distancing I'll swap at eod.

[waza]

I felt very confident (probs unreasonably so) with what direction I wanted to take the day prior to sod

Some of that has fizzled out, partly because ender playing in a way where he seems comfortable and willing to accept the poe. And errr if he’s a wolf and the poe has both wolves he probs doesn’t do that? Maybe? Idk technically the poe can still work even if ender is town but yeah other stuff on top of that also made me think I need a reads reset. I’ve just been too lazy/busy to get around to it, I do think it’s more of a wim issue than an irl busy issue though I’m sure that also plays a factor.

Really the only posts I read today were the short ones and the ones where I could see my name mentioned. Most people having me as town is confusing me lol but if enough people are doing it that means villas are doing it too so I can’t read too much into to. I did tell myself I would tr the first person who pushes me today (provided the push seems believable), since for whatever reason I don’t think the wolves feel like pushing me atm. Maybe I’m wolfsiding, maybe they think I’m townier than I actually feel I am, idk. It’s a shame that Zelda was the first person to vote me lol because I think I already had them in not tinfoil tier so even if I find his push believable it doesn’t change my worldview too much to lock him as town since I already have

Whilst I am aware that I’m probs wrong somewhere I don’t think that somewhere is ladd, I’ll probs shield him closer to eod if I have to. Hopefully between now and then I can read more of the game and have some useful thoughts, I did wanna try harder today to avenge Arctic but haven’t gotten around to it yet oops

[nebjiamn]

Yall need jesus

the popes American now get ready for the Vatican invasion

[ladd]

but i agree that ladd is very concerning and idk if you'vpe read my take on his game or not but it pretty much is still there.

Very concerning for what? For taffy still?

The way you have handled my slot is starting to be so bad that i am genuinely considering i was wrong on you which is crazy, but i feel like u have made 0 effort to get there on me



I expect stett to be unable to read me but for better or worse, i expect you to at least try to get there

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1359

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	ladd (17), nebjiamn (35), waza (9)
3	ladd	EnderWiggin (11), Maple (19), didistetter (21)
2	Lissa	Visor (13), dyachei (20)
1	waza	pzelda (25)
2	Not Voting	Lissa (1), Totally not Taffy (14)

[Visor]

Very concerning for what? For taffy still?

The way you have handled my slot is starting to be so bad that i am genuinely considering i was wrong on you which is crazy, but i feel like u have made 0 effort to get there on me



I expect stett to be unable to read me but for better or worse, i expect you to at least try to get there

what do you think of bennehs d2

[ladd]

Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town.

Ok so who are the wolves then? Without including me ofc

Pick a person thats not.me and ill close my eyes and vote with you if u want. Genuinely

I gave a poe of lissa/maple/ender. I guess you think benneh could be a wolf outside of that PoE or is there other people too?

[dyachei]

maple wagon looks cleanest other than maybe this lissa wagon. I really don't want the waza wagon at all. I should probably reread there but idk. I think waza is like...an acquired taste so I get why pzelda doesn't like his posts

[ladd]

what do you think of bennehs d2

D2 was a weird day but i thought it was villagery. Like the omly reason I have to beljeve he is a wolf is that he has been wrong on a ton outiside of voting the 0 poster wolf at eod, and his read on me

But i dont like reading based people on being wrong cause it sucks shrug.jpg

[Visor]

D2 was a weird day but i thought it was villagery. Like the omly reason I have to beljeve he is a wolf is that he has been wrong on a ton outiside of voting the 0 poster wolf at eod, and his read on me

But i dont like reading based people on being wrong cause it sucks shrug.jpg

what do you make of waza

[dyachei]

visor whats like your worldview rn?

[Visor]

visor whats like your worldview rn?

collapse of democracy with a side of fascism apparently

oh you mean in the game? lemme get back to you on that

[ladd]

do not let them kill ladd or dya tomorrow. if i'm wrong on my benneh/lissa team then it's one of the other 3 probably, i'd guess ender even tho i don't really believe it

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1359

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	ladd (17), nebjiamn (35), waza (9)
3	ladd	EnderWiggin (11), Maple (19), didistetter (21)
2	Lissa	Visor (13), dyachei (20)
1	waza	pzelda (25)
2	Not Voting	Lissa (1), Totally not Taffy (14)

Nice.jpg


Visor, i think waza is a villager and even if not he has been playing like one. Tbh after recent string of posts benneh jumps to my #1 tinfoil


Idk its 2 am and i woke up randomly, everything i say is influenced by being half asleep


On that note i am going back to sleep

[waza]

I don't have time to reread every post and I'm skimming when I'm feeding the kids and such. so like I guess get over it? not everyone has the time to be as involved as everyone else and I feel like I've made it clear. I'm trying to play catch up today and solve things and like I'm allowed to have paranoia of different players because I think i've been clearing them too easily.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If you must know, I have been getting Amy to bed by 7:30 and she's been tantruming until I get into thread every night. Then I'm medicating my very sick cat who had me worried he was going to pass over the weekend. I'm sorry I don't remember what was posted last night and this morning, the last week hasn't been my clearest headed.

I get that you don't know how to read me that well but do you really think I would kill the person I've been trying to elim in game days every night after pushing them? does that really seem that plausible?

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

@ladd

Outside of dyas read on u, I assume u still think they’re town? Dya keeps ticking their town boxes and none of their scum ones (admittedly my dya read is the one I’m relying the most on meta/vibes atm since they haven’t been around as much, which maybe relying on meta and vibes this far into the game may not be the most reliable heuristic but my dya meta/tone reads haven’t really failed me before so if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

[ladd]

@ladd

Outside of dyas read on u, I assume u still think they’re town? Dya keeps ticking their town boxes and none of their scum ones (admittedly my dya read is the one I’m relying the most on meta/vibes atm since they haven’t been around as much, which maybe relying on meta and vibes this far into the game may not be the most reliable heuristic but my dya meta/tone reads haven’t really failed me before so if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

Yea dya is like 1 of the last people id tinfoil, they are just a villager imo

[ladd]

Maybe i go back to lissa/maple, it keeps half of artic legacy and annika legacy of benneh v and fits better than maple/ender

I dunno, back to sleep for real

[waza]

I don't have time to reread every post and I'm skimming when I'm feeding the kids and such. so like I guess get over it? not everyone has the time to be as involved as everyone else and I feel like I've made it clear. I'm trying to play catch up today and solve things and like I'm allowed to have paranoia of different players because I think i've been clearing them too easily.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If you must know, I have been getting Amy to bed by 7:30 and she's been tantruming until I get into thread every night. Then I'm medicating my very sick cat who had me worried he was going to pass over the weekend. I'm sorry I don't remember what was posted last night and this morning, the last week hasn't been my clearest headed.

I get that you don't know how to read me that well but do you really think I would kill the person I've been trying to elim in game days every night after pushing them? does that really seem that plausible?

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

I don't think this is fair? I can remember a lot more of Visor's pushes/reads than of yours, at any rate. If anything I'd say he's being more communicative than I'm used to, and you are less so.

I honestly don't think either is AI since you're both good at both alignments and your activity is probably more influenced by real life / available time than by anything else.

Maybe this is another case like that time with Baudib where I just couldn't see what you were talking about but please make a more fleshed out read on Visor. For example, he made pushes on both Arctic (flipped town) and Stett (your top townread) D1, I'd like you to look at those and comment on his reasoning there. Look at Visor's posts yesterday before and after my claim, before and after Benneh thought he'd caught Arctic in a lie, does he seem like he had tmi anywhere? Or, have a chat with him bc I remember you saying that's how you read people best.

Don't just shrug-poe ppl that's how we'd lose.

Taffy (3)

@Maple have u played with taffy much

lol I don’t get how ur sussing this slot

[waza]

And in a similar vein I'd like you to look closer at Dyachei. "Ladd says town bc meta on one post" is perfectly fine for D1, but they've done stuff, we've had flips, tell me why they're town from how they treated Arctic/Annika/Sunbae.

The two of you are expressing almost diametrically opposed views on Visor's play this game and you're not talking to eachother about it, this is bothering me.

Taffy (4)

Bruh

This is town just lock it in the bag

[didistetter]

Ok so who are the wolves then? Without including me ofc

Pick a person thats not.me and ill close my eyes and vote with you if u want. Genuinely

I gave a poe of lissa/maple/ender. I guess you think benneh could be a wolf outside of that PoE or is there other people too?

Vote: Lissa

[waza]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

If Ben’s a wolf it’s with Stett

I don’t think this posts exists in w!ben and v!stett worlds most of the time, and therefore is either a genuine post or specifically designed by wolf!ben to spew w!Stett town in the event he flips

[Visor]

heres where i am at

i just dont think ender is a wolf

i get hes wolfy and shit and his posting aint the most inspired shit, but he feels like he is off on his own little island and i didn't stick up for arctic nearly as much as i should've so im gonna try planting a flag here

theres a nice post on page 4 or something when lissa enters and he just against the flow of the thread says, damn those lissa posts are kinda wolfy?

and its the kind of thing that is just an honest thought, if you're a wolf and you know lissa is v and people are in this game that read her well, you know that pushing there can be problematic especially when she is actively contributing - you waiut and see if people have those concerns there and then you just layer em on

i do have some concerns with waza being someone who noramlly takes a hands off approach early and then ramps up just failing to do that and kind of letting the village eat itself a bit but ymmv

i am gonna go out on a limb and say ladd is a villa, i think his reaction to benneh here especially shoot him into tinfoil range, plus all his early villa reads he gave out seems ok to me

i can definitely see a world where maple is a wolf, and im not gonna defend em or anything, as they alluded to earlier, they would absolutely target me as a wolf because they know i would defend them to eke out value etc.

but thats also the kind of thing wolf manti would set up as well. i do struggle with the fact that they just aint doing anything and their really narrow focus is a little pr-y rather than wolfy but they have been discussed to death and if they gotta die they gotta die i guess

in my heart i want benneh to be a wolf because if i can get there on arctic with v little time to play and being pushed by him, how the hell can benneh not come to the correct conclusion if he is v

his posting reminds me of his he set up tortuga grande to be killed by the village by framing the push in a way that removed his culpability and made it all about their fault and not his if they were village

it is a very blatant push to make though, and perhaps not necessary, but its the kind of thing that is hard to get my head around because it is so different to my pov that believing it to be villagery is a struggle

i do think lissa is a wolf, i think. i want to see what she says tomrorow, but i think she is where i want to push right now.

stett i think i am finally coming around on (lol)

pzeldas constantly changing reads are weirding me out a bit, but they change so much that they feel genuine i guess, but its often easy to have a good wolfgame after a long break so who knows there, gth lean villa for now htough

gotta reassess dya but thats a tomorrow problem hopefully

[waza]

Specifically because it’s a bit guilt trippy in a way I don’t think wolf Ben would be to town Stett. I could be wrong on that assumption, there’s nothing wrong if that is actually what happened, he’s just playing to his wincon.

Regardless I think they’re both probs town anyways, lol I said I needed a reads reset but I’m ending up in a similar spot to where I was before, idk if that’s a good thing or bad thing lmao

[Maple]

*towns about*

idk yall the shit people are saying about my slot actually boggles my mind, idt anyone is really engaging with what ive said in a productive way but at the same time i havent engaged with the game nearly enough to have a body of work that i can point at and be happy

but meowza lol

idk yall im making vibes reads cause tahts all i got the energy to put into thegame rn, i saw yall say zelda is like DOUBLE LOCK CLEAR off meta so poggywoggy thats awesome, i think my idivions of the list stands strong. im OMGUSING ladd today for hist readtmeant of my slot, im saying bennehs push on me being an arso is WILD and atp im not sure if hes serious about it or not

tn i give out another soft invest so if i get it off poggies

meow meow i hav never been so eepy in my life man fuck ww i deserve a long nap

[nebjiamn]

Very concerning for what? For taffy still?

The way you have handled my slot is starting to be so bad that i am genuinely considering i was wrong on you which is crazy, but i feel like u have made 0 effort to get there on me



I expect stett to be unable to read me but for better or worse, i expect you to at least try to get there

define how i have been handling your slot?

i resent the idea that i haven't even tried to get there. you can argue my reasons are silly or bad but i don't think i'm on an island for being concerned about you given that lissa/dya/manti also share concerns around your slot and not all 4 of us are wolves?

also you are literally quotinga post where i was sussed by stett because i apparently haven't taken a hard enough line against you and i am very sure stett is town so I think its beneficial for us to work together and sort out where the thin line red is inbetween our reads on your two slots (manti/you) and how those might intersect with others

[Maple]

@Maple have u played with taffy much

lol I don’t get how ur sussing this slot

twice

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