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Originally Posted by didistetter:
:wowee:
bro why'd u cap on it instead of diiscussing it with me when i mentioned LW like 18 hours ago
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yall are gonna kill taffy. they're gonna either be lw or villy. if she's villy y'all will chain taffy into killing ben and he'll be villy. game will probs be cooked or over at that point.
if we just wanna remove the kp from the game that's fine.
I do think taffy 1. being worried visor tracked him and 2. saying if he targetted anyone last night he would have targetted me b/c "paranoia" is extraordinarily weird stuff.
if taffy's lw wolf remove maple from lim pool, and i'd still go ender before lissa.
I'm never killing ben fwiw, this isn't his wolf game.:wowee:
bro why'd u cap on it instead of diiscussing it with me when i mentioned LW like 18 hours ago
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yall are gonna kill taffy. they're gonna either be lw or villy. if she's villy y'all will chain taffy into killing ben and he'll be villy. game will probs be cooked or over at that point.
if we just wanna remove the kp from the game that's fine.
I do think taffy 1. being worried visor tracked him and 2. saying if he targetted anyone last night he would have targetted me b/c "paranoia" is extraordinarily weird stuff.
if taffy's lw wolf remove maple from lim pool, and i'd still go ender before lissa.
Thinking about the mech though; who makes bombs? I can't remember taffy's claim in it's entirety but she claimed arsonist, which isn't a bomb mechanic, right?
Which would leave maple making bombs. If maple is the bomb maker they are almost never a wolf because wolves wouldn't need this complicated rask role
Originally Posted by Visor:
Wonder if maple gives out inventions and bombs lol
this is where I amWonder if maple gives out inventions and bombs lol
I guess there is a world where the bomb planter can plant bombs to alert the lost wolf?
In this case I don't think taffy is a lost wolf I think rask is
Because he would use his role to find the wolves
But in that case I think the bomber is possibly a wolf in which case we should kill taffy?
Lol I gotta think on this
In this case I don't think taffy is a lost wolf I think rask is
Because he would use his role to find the wolves
But in that case I think the bomber is possibly a wolf in which case we should kill taffy?
Lol I gotta think on this
I mean I'm not against killing Taffy here because I think it's ~fairly likely she's 3p atm.
And while it's not clearing wolves it's never a bad idea. I don't think the lost wolf idea is that likely but I could be confbiasing myself.
And while it's not clearing wolves it's never a bad idea. I don't think the lost wolf idea is that likely but I could be confbiasing myself.
I don't understand why y'all think taffy would be lw over rask
Rask finds out if he defuses a bomb which tells him alignment, why would be need that unless he was. Lost wolf
The q is then is a wolf planting the bombs
Rask finds out if he defuses a bomb which tells him alignment, why would be need that unless he was. Lost wolf
The q is then is a wolf planting the bombs
Originally Posted by didistetter:
No you weren't roleblocked.
I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"
i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269. I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
@EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
@Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3
@didistetterNo you weren't roleblocked.
I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"
i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269. I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
@EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
@Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3
I may be blanking due to my brain trying to imitate a bluescreen but I don't think you have followed up on this? Is this a good time to poke about it?
Cant believe i am saying tgis but i am against killing taffy lol
Just seems like it's a wording thing that means nothing to me shrug.jpg
Again i just wanna kill the wolfy people today, i dont think taffy has been wolfy d2/d3 and i think the chances they are just mech not a wolf are extremely high
Just seems like it's a wording thing that means nothing to me shrug.jpg
Again i just wanna kill the wolfy people today, i dont think taffy has been wolfy d2/d3 and i think the chances they are just mech not a wolf are extremely high
I'm gonna Yolo agree with benneh
If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument
Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool
Wolves can soft it
In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post
If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument
Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool
Wolves can soft it
In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post
vote: waza
Waza/Lissa?
Waza/Lissa?
Oh maybe manti was softong it too with the bomb stuff D1
Hmmmmm
I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn
Hmmmmm
I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn
Originally Posted by Visor:
Oh maybe manti was softong it too with the bomb stuff D1
Hmmmmm
I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn
this is fair, I keep forgetting about the bomb softingOh maybe manti was softong it too with the bomb stuff D1
Hmmmmm
I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn
Dya talk to me about those three plz
Originally Posted by Visor:
Dya talk to me about those three plz
I think lissa and manti have wolf equity. I probably need to reread waza though. i thought his d1 was pretty villagery for him, though I know not everyone gets his style. I tend to have a vibe read here and I think he was hitting it. If I don't use vibes I don't think his posts are great, but I often get that feeling and he's still a villager. I don't think he's as villagery as he's ever been or anything, but I do think he's a villager.Dya talk to me about those three plz
Manti - manti is an enigma often in many games. I don't think I've gotten the same manti that I usually defend early game, which is a point of concern for me, but that could also be explained by being a PR, so that's not necessarily a point to him being a wolf. I think the bomb softing is a bad look in reference to rask's role specifically but not out of the ordinary for manti to soft at any point in a game. The problem is why specifically a bomb reference? That's the point for me that's sticking out. Because if he had softed anything else I wouldn't be thinking he could have been messaging a pack about his presence. The one thing he does have going for him there is that he didn't bomb himself/invent for himself (and Idk if he could have but if it essentially acts like a peek, then he would either need to be self targetable if lost wolf or a villager and the other wolves would need to use the bomb as a way to look for their other members).
that's kind of a jumbled mess but I can see mechanics for and against manti
Lissa - i think in thread she feels villagery when we're both here and I think the defense of taffy isn't wolfy for her. I think she was likely right mechanically there and I don't think it's the same situation as the arctic push (though arctic felt more and more like a villager at EOD). I think her pushes haven't been good and for lissa that matters a lot so I think she easily could be a wolf and it's why I was voting her this morning.
Originally Posted by Visor:
I'm gonna Yolo agree with benneh
If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument
Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool
Wolves can soft it
In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post
Seems extremely circumnstantial to meI'm gonna Yolo agree with benneh
If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument
Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool
Wolves can soft it
In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post
He said he pushed rask cause he feels he d be able to read rask reaction to pressure well which is a perfectly reasonable explanation imo?
Maple still the wolfiest poster
Originally Posted by Visor:
vote: waza
Waza/Lissa?
Lol good timing I was just about to pop in to vote her and dipvote: waza
Waza/Lissa?
Vote:lissa
Taffy is a villa imo, if yall are really bent on killing a pr claim I’d always go for maple over taffy
Originally Posted by dyachei:
I think lissa and manti have wolf equity. I probably need to reread waza though. i thought his d1 was pretty villagery for him, though I know not everyone gets his style. I tend to have a vibe read here and I think he was hitting it. If I don't use vibes I don't think his posts are great, but I often get that feeling and he's still a villager. I don't think he's as villagery as he's ever been or anything, but I do think he's a villager.
Manti - manti is an enigma often in many games. I don't think I've gotten the same manti that I usually defend early game, which is a point of concern for me, but that could also be explained by being a PR, so that's not necessarily a point to him being a wolf. I think the bomb softing is a bad look in reference to rask's role specifically but not out of the ordinary for manti to soft at any point in a game. The problem is why specifically a bomb reference? That's the point for me that's sticking out. Because if he had softed anything else I wouldn't be thinking he could have been messaging a pack about his presence. The one thing he does have going for him there is that he didn't bomb himself/invent for himself (and Idk if he could have but if it essentially acts like a peek, then he would either need to be self targetable if lost wolf or a villager and the other wolves would need to use the bomb as a way to look for their other members).
that's kind of a jumbled mess but I can see mechanics for and against manti
Lissa - i think in thread she feels villagery when we're both here and I think the defense of taffy isn't wolfy for her. I think she was likely right mechanically there and I don't think it's the same situation as the arctic push (though arctic felt more and more like a villager at EOD). I think her pushes haven't been good and for lissa that matters a lot so I think she easily could be a wolf and it's why I was voting her this morning.
Which posts of mine aren’t great lolI think lissa and manti have wolf equity. I probably need to reread waza though. i thought his d1 was pretty villagery for him, though I know not everyone gets his style. I tend to have a vibe read here and I think he was hitting it. If I don't use vibes I don't think his posts are great, but I often get that feeling and he's still a villager. I don't think he's as villagery as he's ever been or anything, but I do think he's a villager.
Manti - manti is an enigma often in many games. I don't think I've gotten the same manti that I usually defend early game, which is a point of concern for me, but that could also be explained by being a PR, so that's not necessarily a point to him being a wolf. I think the bomb softing is a bad look in reference to rask's role specifically but not out of the ordinary for manti to soft at any point in a game. The problem is why specifically a bomb reference? That's the point for me that's sticking out. Because if he had softed anything else I wouldn't be thinking he could have been messaging a pack about his presence. The one thing he does have going for him there is that he didn't bomb himself/invent for himself (and Idk if he could have but if it essentially acts like a peek, then he would either need to be self targetable if lost wolf or a villager and the other wolves would need to use the bomb as a way to look for their other members).
that's kind of a jumbled mess but I can see mechanics for and against manti
Lissa - i think in thread she feels villagery when we're both here and I think the defense of taffy isn't wolfy for her. I think she was likely right mechanically there and I don't think it's the same situation as the arctic push (though arctic felt more and more like a villager at EOD). I think her pushes haven't been good and for lissa that matters a lot so I think she easily could be a wolf and it's why I was voting her this morning.
Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 | Votes | Target | Voters (Posts in Phase) |
|---|---|---|
| 3 | Lissa | EnderWiggin (19), ladd (30), waza (30) |
| 2 | waza | Visor (37), pzelda (28) |
| 1 | EnderWiggin | didistetter (26) |
| 1 | Totally not Taffy | dyachei (31) |
| 1 | ladd | Maple (30) |
| 3 | Not Voting | Lissa (14), Totally not Taffy (14), nebjiamn (50) |
Originally Posted by waza:
Which posts of mine aren’t great lol
im not gonna be able to get you exact posts waza, because i haven't reread your posts yet, but I recall some posts I didn't like as much as I normally like your posts on like..taffy and arctic and the like. It's probably more a volume issue for me (this game has a very low post cap and I think it makes it harder to get reads on people I normally interact with).Which posts of mine aren’t great lol
Sorry I can't be more specific than that. I still think you're a villager
Originally Posted by dyachei:
im not gonna be able to get you exact posts waza, because i haven't reread your posts yet, but I recall some posts I didn't like as much as I normally like your posts on like..taffy and arctic and the like. It's probably more a volume issue for me (this game has a very low post cap and I think it makes it harder to get reads on people I normally interact with).
Sorry I can't be more specific than that. I still think you're a villager
Yeah that’s fair im not gonna be able to get you exact posts waza, because i haven't reread your posts yet, but I recall some posts I didn't like as much as I normally like your posts on like..taffy and arctic and the like. It's probably more a volume issue for me (this game has a very low post cap and I think it makes it harder to get reads on people I normally interact with).
Sorry I can't be more specific than that. I still think you're a villager
The post cap is a big nerf so I don’t blame youlol. I’m not sure how to play around it, esp in a stronger lobby with good woofs
Originally Posted by Visor:
I just don't believe either benneh or Lissa as villagers would be so incredibly uncharitable to arctic y'day
I'm not sure I like this point tbh. I just don't believe either benneh or Lissa as villagers would be so incredibly uncharitable to arctic y'day
The thread felt like it was mechanically correct to yeet Arctic. Also, Lissa has been very charitable overall, kind of struggling to find people sus and that probably led to this comfortable decision. It's a game of not knowing. I was on Arctic for the majority of the day and I had many reasons to believe he was town. The activity itself was towny. Trying to survie. Yet it felt inevitable.
Originally Posted by waza:
Lol good timing I was just about to pop in to vote her and dip
Vote:lissa
Taffy is a villa imo, if yall are really bent on killing a pr claim I’d always go for maple over taffy
I don't love this reaction to Visor voting you and pairing you with Lissa.Lol good timing I was just about to pop in to vote her and dip
Vote:lissa
Taffy is a villa imo, if yall are really bent on killing a pr claim I’d always go for maple over taffy
I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today
Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.
Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..
I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.
Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).
Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.
Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..
I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.
Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).
I don't want to avoid the renewed Taffy discussion. I don't consider them now. I find the post from benneh helpful, tho.
If there's a 3p or a lost wolf in this game I think its Maple. I wonder if that was what was @waza suggesting when talking about their activity in this game in comparison to their meta.
Town killing role is always swingy. Redirectors could have been meant as ics but they don't reduce the swing. That could be the role of the mafia firefighter and I think it could be intended as a possible good fake claim too. The inventor might follow their own agenda like handing out a certain amount of gifts.
I probably should think more but I also think there's at least one wolf outside of these two and that should be the focus. It's also possible that the thread feels quite towny because of the pack being just 2 wolves and a lost wolf and maybe a 3p. I doubt it, tho.
If there's a 3p or a lost wolf in this game I think its Maple. I wonder if that was what was @waza suggesting when talking about their activity in this game in comparison to their meta.
Town killing role is always swingy. Redirectors could have been meant as ics but they don't reduce the swing. That could be the role of the mafia firefighter and I think it could be intended as a possible good fake claim too. The inventor might follow their own agenda like handing out a certain amount of gifts.
I probably should think more but I also think there's at least one wolf outside of these two and that should be the focus. It's also possible that the thread feels quite towny because of the pack being just 2 wolves and a lost wolf and maybe a 3p. I doubt it, tho.
Originally Posted by pzelda:
I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today
Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.
Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..
I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.
Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).
tbh i don't think you're gonna get much more from me this day phase and expecting it is gonna basically be a you problem. I've reread 2 players and got a better feel for their posts, have explained my reads, have looked at Ben's reasoning and tried to work with several people to get reads of them this game. I don't have the time or posts to reread the whole game today so...I guess I'm not sure what else I can do for you? Like at some point it's your biasI'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today
Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.
Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..
I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.
Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).
stett and ben ride or die village atp for me.
I wouldn't vote in pzelda or ladd after today's postings.
Ender is a huge blind spot to me and it's possible he's a wolf. I really have issues reading him though and have for many games. he can confirm this for you.
there has to be at least 1 wolf in manti/lissa/taffy
I wouldn't vote in pzelda or ladd after today's postings.
Ender is a huge blind spot to me and it's possible he's a wolf. I really have issues reading him though and have for many games. he can confirm this for you.
there has to be at least 1 wolf in manti/lissa/taffy
Around page 27 Visor made some good posts and I can see at consistency and evolution of some of at posts. Go is climbing up my town ladder again.
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to
Vote: ladd
I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.
END OF D2
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to
Vote: ladd
I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.
END OF D2
Originally Posted by dyachei:
tbh i don't think you're gonna get much more from me this day phase and expecting it is gonna basically be a you problem. I've reread 2 players and got a better feel for their posts, have explained my reads, have looked at Ben's reasoning and tried to work with several people to get reads of them this game. I don't have the time or posts to reread the whole game today so...I guess I'm not sure what else I can do for you? Like at some point it's your bias
I don't think you can do a whole lot or that you should. I think you should just trust your posts, do your thing and let me find you.tbh i don't think you're gonna get much more from me this day phase and expecting it is gonna basically be a you problem. I've reread 2 players and got a better feel for their posts, have explained my reads, have looked at Ben's reasoning and tried to work with several people to get reads of them this game. I don't have the time or posts to reread the whole game today so...I guess I'm not sure what else I can do for you? Like at some point it's your bias
Manti if you are a villager for the love of god please start solving
Originally Posted by pzelda:
Around page 27 Visor made some good posts and I can see at consistency and evolution of some of at posts. Go is climbing up my town ladder again.
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to
Vote: ladd
I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.
END OF D2
Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting meAround page 27 Visor made some good posts and I can see at consistency and evolution of some of at posts. Go is climbing up my town ladder again.
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to
Vote: ladd
I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.
END OF D2
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