last post, idk if ill be here for sod since i'll be working but yeah ill keep this short and sweet
i felt in a similar position to where lissa was last couple of pages but much earlier, where most of the thread seemed towny enough and there were still 2 zero posters. so that usually means 1 of 2 things. the first being a zero poster has a wolf or two, or that ive already miscleared due to being too rash. so i figured, lets rule out the first possibility
so i decide to just loltunnel rask. rask from my experience has been a fairly easy read, and i think in particular the way he responds to pushes i would be able to get something very AI off it. and i figured that town!rask opening the thread to see me tunneling him before he gets into the game would respond quite differently than wolf!rask. ive used stuff like this on people like creature before and it works out quite well. well enough and its much quicker than waiiting for a late comer to adjust themselves into the game and slowly backread everything. this is short and quick and gets me results within minutes, so i like it. but rask has been away for too long that its useless now and maybe even rand v sadly that they arent here but lets not get into that, i wont reward it anyways and would gladly vote them out even if they are in rand v territory now. this sequence leads into some thoughts i have on ben and lissa but ill come back to that
Sunbae
i wanna talk about this first since its probs one of my best guesses for a wolf atm. (im probs never voting here d1 anyways because i love sunbae and wanna play with them since ive never gotten to play longform with them so im happy for them to stick around even if i think theyre a wolf lol)
so like if i didnt know any better and briefly looked at sunbaes posts id say there is towny nuance, theres nothing that stands out as wolfy, and no shitposting. and ironically this is part of what makes sunbae a wolf. because if they were town it would be the opposite imo, atleast from turbos in what i seen i expect more shitposts, and much less towny nuance this early. so then i decided to have a deeper look and then i could see the wolf angle too.
taffy already brought up some concerns there so i wont double up on the stuff taffy said in regards to sunbaes comments to lissa. which yeah are wolfy because yeah the implication was fairly straight forward and if taffy who wasnt in the mash felt the same then that takes away credence from it being something that only the mash players would have gotten.
anyways: lets look at something sunbae said
"This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf 
"
i actually dont find this thought to be something that fits in what was actually happening at the time. go back to the page and post for yourselves and read the context in which it was said.
it just simply doesnt fit and feels out of place (similar to their post about ben only being a wolf if sunbae is a wolf because it doesnt make sense. they havent played partnery at all, in fact ben has slightly sussed sunbae and i doubt he would do that as w/w imo they probs would just shield and buddy and powerwolf together)
and like it has the mindset of thinking about things that will clear them which is something that i more often see leak into their posting from wolves
and ironically enough sunbae accused me of playing to be trd in something i said what my stett reversal but imo this post and their play in general fits that much more
because sunbae gets trd for this ....and then just dips
they dont really stick around or banter the same way i see them do as town, their posting patterns just feel like something who is playing to be townread, and i dont seee a villagery interest in trying to parse others or interact with them as much
their reads list they gave later also felt wolf shaped but i cant articulate why, just that some of the standings felt somewhat arbitrary and almost feels a bit too fleshed out relative to how much they have been here and their relative output into the thread
Taffy
errr this isnt my second top sr, so dont take this as ordered. i just felt like talking about them second
well their sr on ben felt forced, i already said that in the thread. it felt like they were approaching the read with the destination in mind and just working in every way they could to make sure they reach that goal.
and then they say
"Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything
See you later I guess "
and in a vacuum its maybe towny but at the same time it puts off the idea that they were keen to interact with others but that feels somewhat juxtaposed with them going straight into their benneh push.
errr its a minor point but it just felt odd
though to their credit they were the first to call out sunbae so maybeeeeeeeeee not partners but id be shocked if both are v
Ben and Lissa
im pooling them both together because they both did something that was incredibly strange
so ill preface this by saying that if i ignore everything else then ben has been super villagery. i do think 99/100 times someone approach the game the way ben has this game theyre just town.
BUT
in a world where me annika and stett are all town i am pinged by the fact that he hasnt managed to find any of us 3 this game given he has a really good read on all 3 of us. the caveat is i think annika and stett are defs sandbagging somewhat and im being weird so maybeeeeeeee its excusable but idk
ANYWAYS
what i really didnt like was when he hypothesized my play only makes sense if im in a hood with rask.
which is just absurd.
i mean absurd things like these are generally rand>>>>v
but cmon that seriously cant be the only scenario in which u would think i would act this way. esp since u and lissa have seen me do this before. ben even saw me do it to santy 2 mashes back (santy was wolf vig so i sniped him hehe get rekd santy) and lissa saw me play a game last mash where i call out zero posters. so both of them know first hand i will do stuff like this, so for them to be so confused and taken back by it didnt sit right
BUT
for ben i can somewhat rationalise it. i think ben is trying to force himself to be annoyed at my gameplay. okay maybe forced isnt the right word, i think he probs is annoyed at it. and hes trying to find reasons to justify to himself to vote me because deep down he knows my play isnt wolfy. but he wants to convince himself its okay to vote me, so he tells himself that the only way my play is acceptable is that if im in a hood with rask, so if im not then he can justify himself that its okay to policy me for my play. ive caught myself doing that to others before, and i think that in of itself makes ben reallllllly towny if thats the case, but even if it is he may not realise it so yeah ill never really know
tldr bens theory was really off
but then lissa sees the same theory and agrees that its the only possible explanation.
and i think thats much worse from lissas end because its harder for me to justify for her to come to that conclusion
and lissa has fanned the flames on people catching heat in times where i think a wolf would
like shes shaded me a bunch when i think a wolf would, she did the same to ender, kinda did the same to stett and annika. idk she just seems to piggyback off people shading others at times i expect a wolf to do so. but i do think shes more holistically townier than the game i saw her wolf in. and maybe she just is that kind of player thats plays off others so ill just sit and watch for now
THE REST
Ladd could be the evil counterpart to me that lissa is to ben
in that yeah maybe there is a non zero chance that if im wolfsiding and being a bad villa that ladd is capitalizing off it as a wolf in the same way that i think lissa may be if shes a wolf and ben is town
but thats mostly conjecture so ill leave it be and i do think ladd has done everything id expect from town!him to do even if im sure that if he really wanted to he could emulate that to fool me
arctic is okay, idk i can see him being a wolf. just havent had any aha this is defs a villa moments. i dont like he automatically dismissed what i had to say about visor by implying i dont know visors wolf game without first asking me what experience i have with wolf!visor. i dont like that hes waffly on stett, if his main sr is visor then stett should be a freebie tr for him since shes obv not with visor. so yeah that doesnt sit right. him having me as town was pingy too but i think he knows i get paranoid of him when he trs me so maybe him being wild enough to say im his top town is like too outrageous for him to say as a wolf. i kinda liked his reaction to enders omgus
zelda we all know is town but may get voted later anyways if game is hard and people start doing dumb stuff because they dont know what to do. maybe id be one of them heh
annika has been naughty. but not in a wolfy way. shes still town, but has been playing lazy and hence naughty for it. ill give some free meta on her - or a snippet. lazy annika is always town annika, shes never lazy as a wolf.
err ender i could be wrong on but i wanna yolo him v. will re-eval if i have to
stett i regret my reaction to her saying she would case me. in hindsight id like to have seen the case because i think i would be able to undeniably lock her town for it if the case was bad but believable enough lol. i know ive lock towned her a bunch already but i keep flip flopping right after i say it, i think partly of it is because it feels like most of her solving has to do with me or asking everyone their read on me when she interacts. hard to believe shes that tunneled but if i look outside her play around me and her sod dip i do think shes been towny and would say shes town >90% of the time here
maple i think im biased this game because they keep randing wolf to the point where i dont want them to get away with it this game if theyre a wolf, so i imagine i would be quite hard on them if i were to read them. so i havent done so much, but errrr they feel lost in a towny way if i had to force a read
visor i liked his reactions to things. doesnt seem forced. could be someone i cleared easily but for now im treating him ladd annika stett ben zelda and maybeeeeee ender as town and seeing where that gets me
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