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    i'm increasingly kinda thinking you are maybe just a villager and we just think about certain things extremely differently tbh

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    I get that context matters, that’s essentially what I’m asking you lol

    What was the difference betweeen the context of stetts handling of you vs Zelda’s

    Like yeah I get the idea that Zelda’s lock tr in you is weird and maybe ur right the build up is unjustified

    I also think that stett entering the game saying she faked all her reads and u being her only real tr is weird too, given there were much more townier slots present at sod, do you think that’s fair?

    I agree she has villagery posts, are you certain she’s never a wolf? Has she reached that point where she is beyond tinfoil to you? If so, why do you think she’s out of wolfrange

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    Quote Originally Posted by waza View Post
    I get that context matters, that’s essentially what I’m asking you lol

    What was the difference betweeen the context of stetts handling of you vs Zelda’s

    Like yeah I get the idea that Zelda’s lock tr in you is weird and maybe ur right the build up is unjustified

    I also think that stett entering the game saying she faked all her reads and u being her only real tr is weird too, given there were much more townier slots present at sod, do you think that’s fair?

    I agree she has villagery posts, are you certain she’s never a wolf? Has she reached that point where she is beyond tinfoil to you? If so, why do you think she’s out of wolfrange
    oh stett's SoD1 with the fake reads thing was super weird I agree. I just don't really care that much about it given the rest of her posting? idk like why did she do that as a wolf lol. I mean... you could level some and you could also think that she was doing it because she was struggling otherwise, but given the rest of her gameplay I don't think that holds up. it's all kinda levels in the end I've long stopped putting a lot of thought into that particular thing or weight in it in any direction

    re: me being her only townread at sod, certainly I agree there were other pretty towny slots at sod but I don't think it's that out there, given she knew the situation of the wolf mash I was coming from and in more than surface detail? it makes sense for me to be one of the people she's paying most attention to knowing how freshly I was coming out of that game imo

    I don't know if I'd quite say never but she is a pretty strong townread. I think it's extremely probable that she is out of wolfrange; she's on a similar level of read to benneh for me. I think that the twists and turns of her posting and the uhh kind of like emotional flow? for lack of a better word would be very very hard for her to fake this well.

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    Kk thanks that makes sense I think you explained everything I wanted to

    Last point you mentioned stetts read on you is nuanced, I may have missed it but can you point to examples of her posts that express nuance in the way she’s been reading you and shows that she has been actively evaluating you

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    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter View Post
    I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
    @Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
    @Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
    @Lissa i want to hear your worldview.
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    don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.

    Vote: benben

    gngn
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    i agree that your eod felt towny.

    I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.

    I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
    maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
    I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
    I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.

    Like
    Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
    He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
    Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.

    I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.

    This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed

    I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.

    It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me

    anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.

    vote: ladd
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    Vote: Lissa
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    Sunbae tr ladd and lissa, and one wolf in ben/dya/waza
    Arctic tr ladd and dya, and SR ben and lissa
    Annika had poe of Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya but didn't vote on dya and also kinda tr ladd and thought maple towntold

    bruh idfk lol
    @annika @Arctic why didn't yall vote dya with me yesterdayyyyyy -_-
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    i'd kinda prefer to elim ender over lissa.

    Read back ender's iso and i was giving him too much credit for some casual/shitposty stuff that vibed like decent tone and confidence, and even though i don't love Lissa's reaction to arctic/encouraging of ben's sus on arctic misreading his role, and it sucks she's been so afk this phase, i still think she has some ok moments where she just kinda feels ?fine? towny? dunno.

    id probs prefer ender -> lissa -> maple

    Biggest issue with manti is the fact she claimed at all. It rlly could equally be a wolf role made to give towncred or a town investigative role.
    If we have town/3p arso, town inventor, and odd/even redirectbodyguards i really would expect wolf kp tho so... we might be working with pretty narrow chances to get this right


    multiquote is being SUPER BORKED and it also won't let me normal quote anything new so posting this half in the hopes it'll fix it wowee

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    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter View Post
    Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.

    I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
    Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
    Lissa has some micro towny posts.

    The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
    Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.

    regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.

    I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.
    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter View Post
    I don't think lissa is a wolf.

    Maybe i'm bad.

    Maybe i'm correct.

    Maybe I have TMI.
    @Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can

    I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
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    vote: waza
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    i don't like your posting towards lissa rn.
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    i don't like those posts either from u tho either lissa :wowee:

    he doesn't need to bury you here what your voters are all afk

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    ya lol those lissa posts were bad
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    yeah

    idk

    ender's final post also felt kinda towny, and i'm rolling back through waza's ISO and he wouldn't be with ender.

    I think if i push ender out and he's v tommorow is just maple vs. lissa again and if that's v/v we're cooked
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    what's your direction tomorrow when lissa flips v?
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    ew.
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    w/e waza.

    Vote: lissa

    here have your townflip.

    feels like a wolf win
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    vote: ender
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    i should just stayed on lissa bleh.

    probably my bad. sorry


    (apparently you can't have more than 6 posts multiquoted at once)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa View Post
    i'm increasingly kinda thinking you are maybe just a villager and we just think about certain things extremely differently tbh
    This might be an actual case of lissa trying to pocket waza tbh.
    Btw I like waza's lizza/stett comments.

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    Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.

    Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.

    Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
    If you follow my posts, you know I change my takes a lot. On d3 I went from townreading you to scumleaning you to townreading you again. I admit I struggle a little bit trusting my own reads at this point.
    Also, my main take yesterday that there's at least one wolf in you/waza/visor/ladd seems to be wrong without you being a wolf. I'm willing to accept that but I feel like I need to see more from you today than questioning people for not finding you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzelda View Post
    If you follow my posts, you know I change my takes a lot. On d3 I went from townreading you to scumleaning you to townreading you again. I admit I struggle a little bit trusting my own reads at this point.
    Also, my main take yesterday that there's at least one wolf in you/waza/visor/ladd seems to be wrong without you being a wolf. I'm willing to accept that but I feel like I need to see more from you today than questioning people for not finding you.
    I did a lot more than that yesterday and it didn't seem to register with you so please excuse my skepticism there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    I did a lot more than that yesterday and it didn't seem to register with you so please excuse my skepticism there.
    It's possible some of your activity slipped my mind. What exactly do you mean by doing a lot more yesterday? I know you posted different posts and takes.
    Perhaps I expressed myself wrongly. I meant finding towniness in your today's activity. I think you so far doubted me and benneh for dropping you in their reads. I admit I didn't notice you reacting to visor for pairing you with Lissa, so maybe you only react to drops in reads you find sus.

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    I agree with some other players on one wolf in Benneh/Lissa. It just makes sense at this point with the way the thread felt for the last two days. Btw I think the post cap makes it a little bit harder to read Benneh. But I think he should be town for multiple reasons. When he's active the thread s moving forward. When he's out of posts it becomes stale. I think Visor and waza are the players who have been trying to move the thread the most in Benneh's absence.

    I don't usually read too much into nks, but I wonder what's the game here. Ladd wasn't super active and his reads were quite consensus. Annika wasn't universally townread. At the end of d2 I actually started suspecting them..but I also don't think these are random or heroic nks. One or both of the wolves probably had reasons to kill them over other players.

    Also, I think Maple can be town. I had this opinion before and I'm kind of sticking to it now. I don't want to vote him myself today. I think his Taffy case holds some water. Taffy def is the player with the lowest effort to solve the game.

    Now, lets talk about the jk on Lissa. It is real. All three of Stett, Lissa and Taffy can't be mafia. It means there was another player carrying the nk. It couldn't be Lissa. Stett targeting Lissa and killing Ladd makes certain amount of sense. Lissa getting a message that they were jailkept and Taffy actually dousing someone else seems like stretching, but it's a possibility. Lissa and someone else being the pack makes sense. Lissa being village and Taffy being a wolf makes sense. Both lissa and taffy being villagers is possible.

    For now it makes sense to vote lissa and tbh finding her isn't my #1 priority today. I found her before in this game and I agree with Manti on her. I also think that her activity makes perfect sense from a wolf pov.
    My priority should be interacting more directly with other players. Esp. Manti and Taffy, maybe Stett and Dya, if they're around. Trying to solve certain players together with Benneh, Visor or waza could be helpful too.

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    lissa being the alleged target is disheartening for reasons beyond it failing.

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    I'm still not 100% over that one Visor/dya interaction from d1. I should dig it up.

    Other than that I kind of like waza introducing stett in the mix and yet I dislike lissa introducing me. Maybe it's because of the form. I think it's time to consider both of us tbh. I don't know if I personally want to consider stett worlds today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei View Post
    Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.

    Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
    @Maple why would you give the cop out last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter View Post
    @Maple why would you give the cop out last?
    It's the worst of the three abilities, trust me.

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    Vote: Maple

    I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
    She's pushed Annika D1/D2
    She pushed Ladd
    She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
    She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
    She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
    She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK

    I have peace with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy View Post
    Vote: Maple

    I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
    She's pushed Annika D1/D2
    She pushed Ladd
    She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
    She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
    She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
    She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK

    I have peace with this.

    Taffy (5)
    REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO

    you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!

    im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that

    vote: taff

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    every fucking game i swear people sus me then i live to endgame and they suprise pikachu face that im still alive way to fucking late bruh yall should have let me died like half a month ago learn how to leash KP noobs

    also it was a VANILLA COP which is a STRICTLY WORSE ABILITY THAN JAILKEEP my god

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    im way too tilted for reasons sorry ill be back later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maple View Post
    REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO

    you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!

    im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that

    vote: taff
    Re-evaluating based on flips
    There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
    There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.

    I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.

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    The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:

    Quote Originally Posted by didistetter View Post
    @Maple why would you give the cop out last?
    At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.

    So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did

    But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"

    Anyway Stett iso tomorrow

    Taffy (6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy View Post
    The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:



    At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.

    So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did

    But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"

    Anyway Stett iso tomorrow

    Taffy (6)
    literally didnt ISO me LMAO

    vote: taff

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    Also I keep forgetting this but @didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them

    Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy View Post
    Also I keep forgetting this but @didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them

    Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed
    this is horrifying.

    Ty o7

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