Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[waza]

Personally I just want to see her flip and then you get nkd so I can get back to actually playing mafia instead of having this game be a setup spec simulator which is based on who best knows how the hosts likes the balance games, but I suppose that’s the nature of closed setups

I feel like I’m in the dark constantly because regardless of what alignment taffy is I really don’t understand how any of the roles all exist and I would very much would like to stop having to think about that or it affect my solving and others solving

[waza]

This is why mountainous goat

Anyways probs last post for a long while if not the entire day

I’ll still be lurking around though if something catches my interest

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 1952

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Totally not Taffy	Maple (3)
6	Not Voting	Totally not Taffy (0), Visor (3), didistetter (6), nebjiamn (0), pzelda (1), waza (8)

[didistetter]

taffy isn't a pack wolf with lissa role + rask role

max douses she can have rn is 3 IF she lied about arctic/lissa

probably one pack maf left—if people REALLY think she's 3p and not maf/town then yeah better to kill today and prevent lighting up

but taffy never ever ever ends the game

so there's still a rask/lissa partner

[waza]

taffy isn't a pack wolf with lissa role + rask role

max douses she can have rn is 3 IF she lied about arctic/lissa

probably one pack maf left—if people REALLY think she's 3p and not maf/town then yeah better to kill today and prevent lighting up

but taffy never ever ever ends the game

so there's still a rask/lissa partner

So do u think she’s 3p or lost wolf or town I don’t get the purpose of this post no offense lol

What did you gather from all the reading you were doing

[Totally not Taffy]

I wouldn't have thought I'd have to walk into this lobby and teach werewolf 101 but

Now that we know for sure that Lissa was a wolf, we need to find another in the people who are responsible for killing Ender

That's first and foremost Stett and Maple for being on the wagon
Secondly Happy for unvoting when Lissa/Ender were tied

And in the far distance Benneh who pushed Ender during the day and Pzelda who parked there earlier
Realistically though unless Visor comes with some killer case I can't see myself considering Benneh or Pzelda today
or ever really I'd kill all three of the others first

Actually that's not true, if either Maple or Stett flip wolf the other definitely isn't
And personally I still believe in my D2 assessment that there must be a wolf in Annika/Maple/Stett so

Problem with Stett is I'm the only one who can see her as a wolf
Problem with Maple is the Dyachei kill is actually really helpful for us today and I do agree that probably happened thanks to her having the Cop check
although I don't see how a vanilla cop could lead to a green check tbh, I think there could be a goon
but fact is wolf!Maple could have given that to Pzelda/Benneh/Happy and not forced wolves to make a helpful kill

Of course it isn't helping that all three are wolfsiding today
It makes it hard not to go "Maple/Happy or Stett/Happy game solved"

Taffy (1)

[Totally not Taffy]

Problem with Stett is I'm the only one who can see her as a wolf
Problem with Maple is the Dyachei kill is actually really helpful for us today and I do agree that probably happened thanks to her having the Cop check
although I don't see how a vanilla cop could lead to a green check tbh, I think there could be a goon
but fact is wolf!Maple could have given that to Pzelda/Benneh/Happy and not forced wolves to make a helpful kill

Actually if we're entertaining the notion of a lost wolf Maple makes a lot more sense than me
because she claimed that if she intersected with the night kill she dies
which is a shit ability to punish a town inventor with
but it would explain her and the NK targets
and why she said that in thread in the first place


Taffy (2)

[Totally not Taffy]

Another problem with pushing Maple for me is that we're sort of in the same boat
If we're both town and there are two wolves left then flipping the other is game losing

It makes me very nervous of the Happy/Stett option

Taffy (3)

[Totally not Taffy]

@waza @didistetter @Maple Would it help if I towncased myself?

I feel like I'm very obviously town especially from EoD3

Taffy (4)

[waza]

No it wouldn’t lol

You claim an ability that hasn’t been verified lol, you didn’t even say who you ignited

Best way to towncase yourself is to actually be present and scumhunt, but it doesn’t help your case accusing me of wolfsiding when I’m the only person aside for ender I think who didn’t townlock lissa for Lol reasons on d1 and actually brought scrutiny to her slot and spent the rest of the time voting rask

[pzelda]

Personally I just want to see her flip and then you get nkd so I can get back to actually playing mafia instead of having this game be a setup spec simulator which is based on who best knows how the hosts likes the balance games, but I suppose that’s the nature of closed setups

I feel like I’m in the dark constantly because regardless of what alignment taffy is I really don’t understand how any of the roles all exist and I would very much would like to stop having to think about that or it affect my solving and others solving

I get the frustration, but this post feels sligly odd coming from you. If I recall it, you were the one asking others to imagine worlds with some players being villas. So, if Taffy isn't a wolf, who is? Why would wolves have a doctor and a defuser, if she were a wolf? Are you betting everything on the lost wolf card?

[pzelda]

This is why mountainous goat

Anyways probs last post for a long while if not the entire day

I’ll still be lurking around though if something catches my interest

Approach the game as mountainous then. Is taffy with Lissa in that case?

[pzelda]

Actually if we're entertaining the notion of a lost wolf Maple makes a lot more sense than me
because she claimed that if she intersected with the night kill she dies
which is a shit ability to punish a town inventor with
but it would explain her and the NK targets
and why she said that in thread in the first place


Taffy (2)

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that bit was a lie from Maple

[waza]

I get the frustration, but this post feels sligly odd coming from you. If I recall it, you were the one asking others to imagine worlds with some players being villas. So, if Taffy isn't a wolf, who is? Why would wolves have a doctor and a defuser, if she were a wolf? Are you betting everything on the lost wolf card?

Bruh

[pzelda]

I think that rereading D1 might be helpful here. Esp early Lissa interactions. I'm on my phone for another 8 hours, but I should get more active later.
Btw waza expecting everyone to just sit on taffy waiting for them to flip was also my first reaction to people pointing out that dya was killed because of the peek, but you posting exactly that after maple pointed out that taffy shouldn't be a proper wolf made me wanna do more.
Ok where I'm at:
Visor - lock town for the way he pushed Lissa
Maple - mechanically should be almost always town. There's a bit I find potentially spicy, but it's a fringe theory. If he were a mafia inventor and he could only hand out gifts to towns and intersecting with their NK would kill him, it would be a very spicy way to counter weight Lissa's joat. But I find that unlikely.
Stett, Waza, Benneh - probably include a wolf, I townlean all of them rn but it's where I should focus my effort.
Taffy - possibly a 3p. Are two redirectors and an inventor enough to counterweight a bomber tho?

[pzelda]

Sorry for these comments t be derpy and my English being more broken than it usually is. I'm still waking up after a night out.

[waza]

I think that rereading D1 might be helpful here. Esp early Lissa interactions. I'm on my phone for another 8 hours, but I should get more active later.
Btw waza expecting everyone to just sit on taffy waiting for them to flip was also my first reaction to people pointing out that dya was killed because of the peek, but you posting exactly that after maple pointed out that taffy shouldn't be a proper wolf made me wanna do more.
Ok where I'm at:
Visor - lock town for the way he pushed Lissa
Maple - mechanically should be almost always town. There's a bit I find potentially spicy, but it's a fringe theory. If he were a mafia inventor and he could only hand out gifts to towns and intersecting with their NK would kill him, it would be a very spicy way to counter weight Lissa's joat. But I find that unlikely.
Stett, Waza, Benneh - probably include a wolf, I townlean all of them rn but it's where I should focus my effort.
Taffy - possibly a 3p. Are two redirectors and an inventor enough to counterweight a bomber tho?

Probably ???

[Visor]

Now the fun part eh

Do y'all just think it's taffy?

Ignore them and maple for now, where would you look

[waza]

Now the fun part eh

Do y'all just think it's taffy?

Ignore them and maple for now, where would you look

Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else

Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful

Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear


lol

Just lol

Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things

Like lol

[waza]

And why each of these things are just so head scratching is

Stetts main pov is they sus me and the person I tried to vote d1 as the team (lol)

Taffy thinks it’s me and the person I asked to get ignited as the team or me and the other person I asked to get ignited because I was pushing lissa as the team (lol)

Zelda didn’t even give a team read whilst implying it’s odd that I just wanna kill taffy and move on (lol)


But yeah my main pov is that lissa tried somewhat hard to save Taffy at eod d1 and they didn’t do that with Arctic, and that’s good enough reason for me to vote there given that both claimed prs (Arctic) and maple (if real) have been pushing taffy to get killed. Mech wise it still doesn’t make sense for taffy to be pack wolf if I accept what others have said but hey I’ll take Zelda’s advise and play it as mountainous in which case I’d still be voting taffy here if it’s mountainous until they towntell hard (if v)

[waza]

And why each of these things are just so head scratching is

Stetts main pov is they sus me and the person I tried to vote d1 as the team (lol)

Taffy thinks it’s me and the person I asked to get ignited as the team or me and the other person I asked to get ignited because I was pushing lissa as the team (lol)

Zelda didn’t even give a team read whilst implying it’s odd that I just wanna kill taffy and move on (lol)


But yeah my main pov is that lissa tried somewhat hard to save Taffy at eod d1 and they didn’t do that with Arctic, and that’s good enough reason for me to vote there given that both claimed prs (Arctic) and maple (if real) have been pushing taffy to get killed. Mech wise it still doesn’t make sense for taffy to be pack wolf if I accept what others have said but hey I’ll take Zelda’s advise and play it as mountainous in which case I’d still be voting taffy here if it’s mountainous until they towntell hard (if v)

And I’m guessing sunbae felt a bit off about taffy’s claims too otherwise he wouldn’t have claimed he was a pr when he did (but that’s just me guessing )

[waza]

Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else

Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful

Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear


lol

Just lol

Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things

Like lol

And normally I would just try and ignore the lol takes as best as I can when solving but literally all 3 of them dropped these terrible takes (no offense) and then just dipped

That’s their entire content and I have nothing left to read them off from the day

[waza]

on purity though its probs not stett, despite some really egregious posts she also has some really pure ones. the vote on rask feels like it came from a place of lacking tmi, she openly called him a town flip whilst voting him and i dont think she has that level of wifom in her bag of tricks as scum yet, im sure shes gonna be a super scum one day and will do all kinds of things, but yeah theres enough stuff thats hard to fake that ill probs just call her v

dont think its you because lissa was playing yesterday to survive and her wim instantly just flopped the moment you popped in and said to kill her, so yeah i dont think that was planned

so yeah i can just vote taffy and keep an eye on ben/zelda and figure out who the other town is in there to and hopefully that will give me direction for tomorrow if the game is still going

[waza]

ben 0 posting is probs rand v and the people who know him best (ladd dya and lissa) called him obvious v, yes i realise lissa was a wolf but hey she coulda been telling the truth on that one

so yehhhhh gth taffy>zelda>ben is where im at atm which is ironic given something i said on d1

[waza]

ben 0 posting is probs rand v and the people who know him best (ladd dya and lissa) called him obvious v, yes i realise lissa was a wolf but hey she coulda been telling the truth on that one

so yehhhhh gth taffy>zelda>ben is where im at atm which is ironic given something i said on d1

Technically sunbae also called Ben obv v but that read was more in the pretense of Ben would only tryhard this much as wolf if he were wolfing with sunbae, though I assume Ben and lissa might be tight too so yeah I’ll have to go back and check exactly what sunbae said cos I might be misremembering, but needless to say sunbae thought he was towny enough too

[Maple]

Now the fun part eh

Do y'all just think it's taffy?

Ignore them and maple for now, where would you look

Need to reread, but prob Ben? Need to see if my zelda/waza clears still hold water. I REALLY don't think you're with lissa given [everything]. I don't *think* stett is a wolf, couldn't hurt to check but like lissa talked to her like a villager.

So yeah that's about it.

[Maple]

The counterargumwnt to my zelda clear would be "she spent that day in antispew and the connection between waza/zelda was part of that"

I think waza is SPEWED spewed cause of the stuff whichever wod that was, like lissa latched on like a lifeline

Tho I supposed I underestimated lissa before so like I gotta reread but I feel good about the waza read

[Maple]

Taff not claiming douse target is noted

[pzelda]

Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else

Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful

Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear


lol

Just lol

Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things

Like lol

It's difficult to understand towns if you're a wolf.

(But I guess trying to be active while visiting a friend in another city come across as a loltown. Also, If you're town you're not making it easy for me to see where you're at rn. Your posts are well articulated but what's your actual stance on the three of us? Do you suspect stett? You interacted with them enough to have a pretty solid take.)

[pzelda]

Ok, I think waza is town and that the frustration is towny. I'm sorry that my posts can come across as derpy or lol worthy, but I would prefer avoid making this game toxic. I respect your posts and activity and I think that there's a lot of good in your posts.
Stett just feels pure tbh. And I kind of think that them not really moving the game forward is towny. I think they reacted well to waza's pressure and I think that the point about being scared to be wrong is good too.

That leaves the elephant in the room and the most inactive player rn, Benneh. I guess inactivity is due to irl reasons. To me it feels like it's him or taffy and Taffy has mechanical reason to be a villager or a 3p.