Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[pzelda]

I started rereading D4. Benneh bussing this hard doesn't make sense. Also, I feel like he would have tried to push me as a potential yeet at least once if he had ramded wolf.
I know I'm mostly townread because of my meta and me usually flaking a lot more as mafia. Bur stett, waza and Taffy don't have meta on me and I think he could be able to convince other players too.
So, that last wolf has been either afraid going against consensus or it's afraid of going against their meta read on me. And both Visor and Mantis would be willing to throw their meta in the bin just to miselim me as wolves.

I feel like running in circles, but I'm back to looking at maple/taffy. Tbh everyone else is just town.

[nebjiamn]

im absolutely exhausted from the kdot concert last night and i gotta drive home today. i prob won't check in til tonight

i don't agree that maple is clear because of lissa's role, like, at all. and i don't think taffy is ever a pack wolf (i don't really know if she could be a lost wolf ... i don't remember the details of rasks role atm so i wont close that door but i sorta doubt that too)

i don't like waza's poe for that reason. pzelda is actually someone i expect him to continue shielding here (remembering the ladd post i referenced yesterday about him being a miselim wolves will need at some point)

anyway ill sort some more stuff out once im home and a bit more rested

[pzelda]

Actually, we know there's at least one pack wolf left (or there should be). When stett jailkept Lissa, someone else carried the kill. There's a small possibility of taffy igniting, but nah IMHO.

I'm rereading early D1 and tbh some of you had some bad interactions with Lissa. Benneh called her entrance great. Statt just put her straight into their towncore pretending to be a cop. Taffy explained Lissa's reliéf post. Ok, that one was Wolfy, but probably not in a w/w way. Maple had that stretch of fluff posts with Lissa, which I called wolfy D1 and I still could see that as a duo of waffles easing themselves into the game.

Also, Sunbae is goat for catching Lissa in his first post.

[didistetter]

Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else

just got a post sucked by the website which blows so much but:

that was not the conclusion of my readback no lol. I was busy last night and haven't had the chance to do the rereading I want. that's a task for today. It was just popping back in and responding to liveposting. We're not even halfway through the day so cool ur doomering or w/e this is

You aren't my "main sus" b/c, and you're gonna hate this, but I don't have a top sus.

I have no fucking clue who the wolf is lol. I'll do my best to remedy that today. Frankly i think I've still been obvious town and findable, just like... mid at the game.. so calling me a wim killer feels disingenuous, but I do recognize I wasn't very active yesterday. Frankly I think I'm blatantly unpaired from lissa but ymmv

anyways, ping me if u need me. My power is out but I'll parsing through the game with data

[didistetter]

Actually, we know there's at least one pack wolf left (or there should be). When stett jailkept Lissa, someone else carried the kill. There's a small possibility of taffy igniting, but nah IMHO.

yeah ^^^^^ there's comf a pack wolf b/c lissa didn't have a rb and either someone else carried OR i was roleblocked and lissa carried, either way ladd had to die and it wasn't by lissa

[pzelda]

Is waza happy? I think I played some games with happy and followed his games in the champs. Did you use to have a Nintendo (animal crossing?) character as an avatar? Or was that someone else? I might check the MU.

[Visor]

I started rereading D4. Benneh bussing this hard doesn't make sense. Also, I feel like he would have tried to push me as a potential yeet at least once if he had ramded wolf.
I know I'm mostly townread because of my meta and me usually flaking a lot more as mafia. Bur stett, waza and Taffy don't have meta on me and I think he could be able to convince other players too.
So, that last wolf has been either afraid going against consensus or it's afraid of going against their meta read on me. And both Visor and Mantis would be willing to throw their meta in the bin just to miselim me as wolves.

I feel like running in circles, but I'm back to looking at maple/taffy. Tbh everyone else is just town.

i dont understand your argument

its d4?

[pzelda]

Is waza happy? I think I played some games with happy and followed his games in the champs. Did you use to have a Nintendo (animal crossing?) character as an avatar? Or was that someone else? I might check the MU.

Ok, the player I had on my mind was holyflare. Lol

[pzelda]

i dont understand your argument

its d4?

It's D5. Do you think Benneh would bus this hard for cred? Maybe I should continue reading. Maybe he was trying to find ways to swing the vote later in the day. But from the look of it and my first impression, he shouldn't be w/w with Lissa.

[Visor]

It's D5. Do you think Benneh would bus this hard for cred? Maybe I should continue reading. Maybe he was trying to find ways to swing the vote later in the day. But from the look of it and my first impression, he shouldn't be w/w with Lissa.

uh lissa nearly died d3, why wouldnt he bus d4?

[didistetter]

It's D5. Do you think Benneh would bus this hard for cred? Maybe I should continue reading. Maybe he was trying to find ways to swing the vote later in the day. But from the look of it and my first impression, he shouldn't be w/w with Lissa.

lissa was probably a sunk cost yesterday. Mafia aren't trying to save her after such close wagons, and she literally ghosted thread. Care about ben's d1/d2, not his d4

[waza]

im absolutely exhausted from the kdot concert last night and i gotta drive home today. i prob won't check in til tonight

i don't agree that maple is clear because of lissa's role, like, at all. and i don't think taffy is ever a pack wolf (i don't really know if she could be a lost wolf ... i don't remember the details of rasks role atm so i wont close that door but i sorta doubt that too)

i don't like waza's poe for that reason. pzelda is actually someone i expect him to continue shielding here (remembering the ladd post i referenced yesterday about him being a miselim wolves will need at some point)

anyway ill sort some more stuff out once im home and a bit more rested

Ur right I dont like that he’s in my poe

That’s why I referenced the irony in it because I said the exact same thing ladd said on d1 too

I’ll find the quote later

But then where am I wrong? You have had visor as top town all game too so I assume u don’t disagree with me clearing there. Stett was questionable but I went back to d1 and part of d2 and like I said there are moments there which would be hard to fake and idk if she’s there yet as a wolf (I’m sure she will be one day). Sunbae also had Stett as top town. So if I take Zelda as town like you say then all I’m left with is you Ben

[waza]

Actually, we know there's at least one pack wolf left (or there should be). When stett jailkept Lissa, someone else carried the kill. There's a small possibility of taffy igniting, but nah IMHO.

I'm rereading early D1 and tbh some of you had some bad interactions with Lissa. Benneh called her entrance great. Statt just put her straight into their towncore pretending to be a cop. Taffy explained Lissa's reliéf post. Ok, that one was Wolfy, but probably not in a w/w way. Maple had that stretch of fluff posts with Lissa, which I called wolfy D1 and I still could see that as a duo of waffles easing themselves into the game.

Also, Sunbae is goat for catching Lissa in his first post.

Thank you lol

I was being baffled that I was in poe when literally everyone else here townread the shit outta lissa

(No I’m not being a salty wolf who thought they were cftwr which I get this post comes across as, but like yeah if I have someone like lissa as my teammate I wouldn’t ever try to jeopardize her thread standing I would just signal boost her trs and let her carry me)

[didistetter]

oh ftr i was trying to project a n0 redcheck on waza as a cop not a green on lissa lol.

I dropped it cause he got townier, i kinda VT slipped, and i'm never gonna FPS my way to a throw by tunneling a fake red

(that was part of what the miller comment was about)

[waza]

oh ftr i was trying to project a n0 redcheck on waza as a cop not a green on lissa lol.

I dropped it cause he got townier, i kinda VT slipped, and i'm never gonna FPS my way to a throw by tunneling a fake red

(that was part of what the miller comment was about)

But like… why?

Even if I was a wolf I don’t think I would have picked up on that and just assumed ur pushing me for the sake of pushing me, like I can’t imagine myself as a wolf thinking someone would start with a n0 red on me, what were you trying to achieve by softing that I don’t get it bronana

[pzelda]

I don't have meta but taffy definitely strikes me as someone who would go after a high influence thread leader as a wolf, just from what I know of her like personality.

I think that her entrance was villagery regardless though.

Yeah taffy def not w/w with Lissa IMHO. Also the way she handled stett wasn't w/w. There's a surprising lack of interactions with Benneh (there are no reactions to his activity in her posts while talking about the same topic - Taffy in this case)

[pzelda]

I think benneh is a villager btw.



hmm

I definitely think that as a concept tends toward being wolfy, but I didn't get that vibe from her post; lemme look at it again

taking another look it doesn't feel like the like. SUPER wolfy version of what you're describing imo, the narrativeness is more intertwined into the read? kinda?

idk anything about the meta aspect of it though

I do agree about the narrowness, she does have some oddly narrow interpretations of benneh's behavior. I originally townread her for the like semi almost aggro-ness of parts of that benneh read and kinda for the sunbae read but the former is possibly a personality thing I'm calling villagery too easily I guess?

A very low key way to call Benneh a villager.

[didistetter]

i dont actually tr any of visor/ben/annika yet but there's plenty o' time.

sod doesnt feel ~that~ towny to me

you and lissa are my towncore

Interesting

vote: waza

@nebjiamn what made you vote waza in response to this?

[didistetter]

is there an easy way to preserve nested quotes btw? I've been manually like... copy and pasting the quotes into each other all game

[pzelda]

Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong

Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol

Really feel like I should have some idea

My heart says town but like

I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl

Annika feels like a villager

Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet

Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?

Ok, to be fair to Benneh, Lissa started interacting with him after that post. I don't think Benneh has ever responded to the wplfsiding question. Also, this makes me wanna say Maple town.

[pzelda]

i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.



no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.

nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.



uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:



where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.

re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.

our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.

Ok, againto be fair I found the response. I missed it the first time.

[didistetter]

i'ma be real my brain is like actually cooked until i get some legit sleep i would believe you if you told me i was gonna sleep like 14 hours tonight

me and you both sis i literally cannot rn

i hope you randed villa too i can't imagine going into another wolf rand straight out of that game lol

idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here

last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??

maybe if i stare at this long enough i can pretend it's meaningful in any direction

[didistetter]

But like… why?

Even if I was a wolf I don’t think I would have picked up on that and just assumed ur pushing me for the sake of pushing me, like I can’t imagine myself as a wolf thinking someone would start with a n0 red on me, what were you trying to achieve by softing that I don’t get it bronana

girl idfk i thought you tmid annika town and i caught you and decided to bait pr alongside the push. i wasn't thinking or caring about your perception

[didistetter]

seems like clearly an implied before this one

guh

i don't like the lissa posting in response to annika's sus of manti

but like

joat + disloyal inventor + bomb diffuser?????

really???

but also why the sweet fuck give out a jk before a cop grrrrr

idk im confused again

[didistetter]

vote: maple

i just realized i have absolutely 0 idea wtf my post count is and probs needs to leash thoughts together v sorry

also pzelda is still obvitown, and he's giga unpaired from lissa and was like the only person besides sunbae pushing her much d1

so far through d1:
1. sunbae GOAT
2. lissa has a lot of weird shade towards waza, he's probably just town (also 132)
nothing unpairing for visor, ben, taffy, maple

i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?

leaving this as placeholder, i gotta go grocery shopping

[pzelda]

I read some more and I gotta admit there are quite a few benneh/lissa interactions. Nothing to unpair them so far. I'm heading to bed now but I think that the poe is always taffy/maple/benneh.

Now, Taffy isn't the towniest player around. I don't think they are trying to solve the game. They pretty much stopped trying after the full claim. They are not asking for suggestions on how to use their power. Their dousing claims are questionable. They probably aren't a wolf. They might be a 3p. The question is if it's important for town to kill a potential 3p.

Maple is town in my humble opinion. I'm slightly surprised manti didn't find lissa earlier, but I also think it's quite possible lissa focused at pocketing them after wolfing together. Or that she changed her style just enough to not fit the same meta. Also, let's admit it, there are some really good posts from lissa. She was poking other players and evaluating them, esp. Stett on d1.

That leaves me with Benneh as the most likely regular wolf. If I very briefly review his activity, he was super active on d1 but starting with d2 he focused on mechanics a lot and his activity fell off. Also, he reminded us few times that ladd had him as town. So, I want to read more, but Benneh might fit the bill after all. I think he would at least try to save lissa on d4, so I should read more of that day too in order to find out if there were any attempts at driving our votes away (maybe there were? I recall visor asking him for his opinion later in the day. He reassured him that he finds lissa to be a likely wolf at 85% certainty, but I think there was a reason for Visor to ask that question).

[nebjiamn]

Ur right I dont like that he’s in my poe

That’s why I referenced the irony in it because I said the exact same thing ladd said on d1 too

I’ll find the quote later

But then where am I wrong? You have had visor as top town all game too so I assume u don’t disagree with me clearing there. Stett was questionable but I went back to d1 and part of d2 and like I said there are moments there which would be hard to fake and idk if she’s there yet as a wolf (I’m sure she will be one day). Sunbae also had Stett as top town. So if I take Zelda as town like you say then all I’m left with is you Ben

idrc if you sus me, just leave Zelda alone. I’m calling him lock town and untouchable

re: visor- no. He’s my second most viable wolf now

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn what made you vote waza in response to this?

bbg that is like 16 irl days ago I don’t remember

thankfully I answered this exact question, possibly for you, yesterday (in-game yesterday), so please look up my response there

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2008

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Totally not Taffy	Maple (6)
1	Maple	didistetter (17)
5	Not Voting	Totally not Taffy (4), Visor (6), nebjiamn (3), pzelda (18), waza (22)

[waza]

idrc if you sus me, just leave Zelda alone. I’m calling him lock town and untouchable

re: visor- no. He’s my second most viable wolf now

U want me to lock it in and sheep for the entire game? Ccos like Idm I found him towny enough and didn’t particularly like that I was ending up there so yeah if u feel confident I’ll take it lol

Though where did the confidence come from? Iirc you were wary of them d1 and relying on others somewhat