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[Visor]

okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends

if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.

that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that

Look into stett benneh and Zelda then

[Maple]

Disjointed as fuck post cause im basically quoting random shit that i see on my skim and add it to this abomination of a post.
@Totally not Taffy do you have any specifics on what the wolf anticlaim mechanic is? or just that one exists

No you weren't roleblocked.

I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"

i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269. I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
@EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
@Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3

can you squeak to this? not completely sure about what you meant by this @didistetter

tried to look at surrounding posts but didnt see anything

If I cross with the kill I die lol

this was a lie btw i dont think anyone gives a shit but was hoping it reduced the odds i got shot *that night* since i was planning on giving out a jail tho it'd be funny to retroactively claim that i was trying to lw soft

Look into stett benneh and Zelda then

I'm skimming d3 again rn. idk I think benneh's d2->d3 is REALLY silly if w. The argument for him being wolf: he's a competent player and could easily fake the sort of silliness without the fanfare. Not being overt about it all that jazz. The argument against: it REALLY looks like he genuinly believed the shit wrt the rask stuff and the arctic stuff.

i miss threadmarks trying to pull up some quotes

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper

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uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

@didistetter @ladd @Lissa @Maple @dyachei @Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

With the information we now have on taff's role this all sort of falls into place, honestly. Talk to me about specifically this bit? I think it's a good look, yall said its totally something he could fake before but shrug. I think esp w/ taff misrepping her role its a pretty sensible PoV vs what the reality was.

oh and by the way me and benneh were TOTALLY CORRECT on d2 wrt kp optimization and all yall are either haters or lying about your role and knew that it wasnt real KP. And wow my posts are pretty embarrassingly bad on reread

sorry arctic, i can believe you could mess up the claim but the combination of you firmly playing like not-a-PR yesterday and trying to push-out-a-PR instead and also your solve just kind of sucking (fmpov) makes me want to just unabashedly kill you. i'm obviously town -- and even though i'm pushing you, i legitimately think you would be able to find me here and not just brush things off as 'acting.' its as if you have condensed all of my posting, all of which is supremely villagery (as evidenced by the abundance of players correctly townclearing me), and distilled it into the most uncharitable takes so you can justify pushing me.

i also think lissa's posting last night, while drunk, reads incredibly pure and uninformed, so beyond just having a bad read on me, i think your suggestion that lissa is the yin to my yang is also likely wrong and I just think you'd be able to find at least one of us, but you've instead sunk your teeth into ladd as your sure town from all of this. c'est la vie. imo, ladd seems like one of hte people from your position you should be most sus of tbh

your responses to my suggesting we discuss the optimality of using town-KP on a non-claimed PR in yourself, because you were sorta in my townreads at SOD, just reads like you thought you had a gotcha moment on me when the reality is i had you in the tier of townleans that i did not feel super comfortable about and this was especially true as my starting POE for the day whittled down (sunbae died, my waza epiphany, and taffy re-asserting their claim). i think it is more likely you were amazed you had been targetted with a douse and the realities of you just shrug dying when you were in a pretty monstrous spot otherwise left you spiraling and needing to come up with something you hadn't thought through.

if you're town PR, you saw me write that and got all big in your britches because you're PR who firmly asserted they were always VT and would never play eod1 the way you did as VT and then comically misunderstood your role on day 2 when the realities came crashing down. i just don't believe this is likely even if i think it is possible, especially when i pair it with how you've solved the game from your distinct point of view. i wouldn't and won't flame you if you are town but i would probably ask you in future games to not get so caught up in thinking incorrect reads against you are a bigger sin BECAUSE you're a PR. that's how you read to me right now fwiw, so I kinda just hope you're wolf who's flailing and omgussing instead.

i will give you this: in the world you are town, i think your next most likely hit from your current solve is maple, who you've placed me in a difference check with. this is where possible redemption is for you if town, but i am not killing maple here today anymore because atp we are just testing a 50/50 and we at least have decent confirmation of their role being real in comparison to yours, even if its existence doesn't necessarily confirm its alignment.

if others feel strongly about your reaction my suggestion would be to kill dya instead because I think they have the most equity as a partner for you in addition to just sort of similarly slipping into a poe in the worlds you are town along with the other PR claims are town and then do the spiel ladd is talking about re: mech

Thoughts on this post? Also, worth going back and reading benneh/ladd.

I LITERALLY HAD TO STOP EATING DINNER CAUSE I REMEMBERED THIS????









IS THIS NOT OUTING? HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE IMPLCATIONS OF SUNBAE'S ROLE AND HOW IT WORKS BUT NOW HES CLAIMING THE EVEN NIGHT COUNTERPATR????????

nah

i am very very strong on we just kill arctic with the vote and not leave it up to taffy/any potential roleblocks/stops etc. and i don't think you need to die. don't be defeatist, we got a pretty sick catch
@Lissa i like your posting rn a lot and agree

vote: arctic

too lazy to nest quotes for context, please click the links and check these out. These are benneh dunking on arctic.

Less confident on benneh after having read back, think the things i remembered as villagery are still villagery but i forgor about his d2 wrt ladd. All the ladd shit makes a lot of sense in the context of lissa w tho, basically.

[pzelda]

tbh, I'm lazy as heck today, a little bit frozen but I also think I want to go

Vote: nebjiamn

Feel free to prove me wrong, but the claims just make most sense as town claims now and stett/waza/visor just make sense as towns. Also, I would say Maple is actually towny rn. Also he was towny on d1 with that Ender post (calling Ender a villager and posting a picture. I know it's increadibly silly but for some reason towny imho) and maybe his musing about how to play town if it was an original text. I was thinking about it earlier today and Maple coming into this game from a demanding w/w with lissa, he probably wouldn't be in a mindset about thinking how to be a strong town.

[Visor]

@nebjiamn

Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?

[waza]

@nebjiamn

Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?

Im more curious to hear your thoughts about it lol
@Visor

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn

Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?

its not super viable just because that's a make or break day given the jailkeep was lurking. plus I sorta think the way lissa responded and flailed was real and borne from actual fear of being flipped rather than theater. i think its more likely that lissa's partner is on the ender wagon or its maple. plus the way waza townreads lissa near the end of day there is a bit risky in a w/w theater world

so if maple flips v i'd have to reconsider that a bit, but it feels real to me

if anything the idea gives me a little pause about pzelda because i could see lissa using the next day to course correct and not blatantly spew waza and offering some balance to her pushes. i could also see lissa doing that with both of them v to sow discord/wifom into her pushes given im sure she was aware she was ~almost always dying that day

idk i'm kinda talkin mytself into thinkin of a world where stett is a possibility but that would be quite flooring tbh

[Totally not Taffy]

its not super viable just because that's a make or break day given the jailkeep was lurking. plus I sorta think the way lissa responded and flailed was real and borne from actual fear of being flipped rather than theater. i think its more likely that lissa's partner is on the ender wagon or its maple. plus the way waza townreads lissa near the end of day there is a bit risky in a w/w theater world

so if maple flips v i'd have to reconsider that a bit, but it feels real to me

if anything the idea gives me a little pause about pzelda because i could see lissa using the next day to course correct and not blatantly spew waza and offering some balance to her pushes. i could also see lissa doing that with both of them v to sow discord/wifom into her pushes given im sure she was aware she was ~almost always dying that day

idk i'm kinda talkin mytself into thinkin of a world where stett is a possibility but that would be quite flooring tbh

You mean Happy here, right?

Maple was on the Ender wagon, who do you mean with this?

Or am I missing something?

Taffy (25)

[nebjiamn]

You mean Happy here, right?

Maple was on the Ender wagon, who do you mean with this?

Or am I missing something?

Taffy (25)

I meant that it feels more likely the wolf is on the ender wagon __or it was maple___

i didn't remember where maple was when i wrote this post so i just filled that in to clarify in case they weren't on it

[Totally not Taffy]

@pzelda Remember that post you linked, I would find it really weird if that conversation were w/w

spoiled for length

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point

if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding






lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)






also had the thought that this game feels like i'm wolf siding so far, and i've kinda attacked any and everyone so far, so that's prob true to some extent, but i also feel like despite the potential wolf siding that i'm potentially probably doing i still feel i'm not the one playing poorly. i wish people would kinda not be lazy (or at least be lazy in the forms of like, visor or ladd are so far)

Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong

Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol

Really feel like I should have some idea

My heart says town but like

I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl

Annika feels like a villager

Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet

Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?

They're both shading Happy there, but then neither ever brings it up again after Rask has flipped
And Benneh didn't ask Lissa to comment on it, she did that spontaneously
It's a lot more believable to me that she did that bc she wanted to encourage Benneh in sussing Happy

Taffy (26)

[didistetter]

can you squeak to this? not completely sure about what you meant by this @didistetter

tried to look at surrounding posts but didnt see anything

@Maple he was being very cagey and refusing to claim his track or result but claiming he did get a result.

Also noting for the class: Visor specifically said I *did not move N1*
He confirmed d2 that it was not a roleblock and he did get a result
And he is now joke shading me as wolf roleblocker

for me to be a wolf you have to believe either:
1. I have ninja'd actions
2. I had lissa carry the n1k instead of me despite me having far better night positioning off the rask flip
3. I'm a mafia goon
4. I holstered some role despite reading arctic as PR and having both taffy and sunbae claim PR d1

wolfy pivot bro
don't be a nerd if you're town and just help me find the wolf in ben/maple

[didistetter]

Arctic is town.

Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.

i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh

i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.

Vote: Rask

@nebjiamn i seriously do not like you continuing to shade my d1 and call it "weird" and talk about the FPS stuff as if its some massive point against me. My positioning and process this game is blatantly towny, and I'm not trying to be a dick b/c ya i've been hella paranoid this game too but you ought to be able to see that given your purported god read.

Why is it visor or maple and not you?

There is zero reason for an arsonist maple to NK dya with a vanilla cop. If she has douses + nks she just lets dya get a green. So i don't buy that line.

This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed

stett you big dummy that post is like a continuation of your manti cop posting in bean, i am fully right to be freaked the fuck out by that shit lol

Also this has kinda been sticking in my craw:

The original post from me:

Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.

@nebjiamn

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup

@Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls

My posting in bean:

Manti called me n0v, this exchange followed:

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but this isn’t remotely similar in any way so now I’m even more confused by the thought from you


Anyways see ya after work

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn i seriously do not like you continuing to shade my d1 and call it "weird" and talk about the FPS stuff as if its some massive point against me. My positioning and process this game is blatantly towny, and I'm not trying to be a dick b/c ya i've been hella paranoid this game too but you ought to be able to see that given your purported god read.

Why is it visor or maple and not you?

There is zero reason for an arsonist maple to NK dya with a vanilla cop. If she has douses + nks she just lets dya get a green. So i don't buy that line.




Also this has kinda been sticking in my craw:

The original post from me:



My posting in bean:

Manti called me n0v, this exchange followed:

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but this isn’t remotely similar in any way so now I’m even more confused by the thought from you


Anyways see ya after work

im town because i killed a wolf in a spot i wouldnt dare dream of if i was wolfing, especially if i was actively wolfing an eod with a partner. if i had to draw an analogy of how absurd the thought is without lambasting a bunch of people for it, i'd compare it to our experience in our hydra game where we had 0 motivation to play eod1 in the manner we did (different results that game vs this game, since i voted a wolf here wehreas we didnt land our final vote in the hydra game, but the idea is the same). i actively work toward wolf winconditions without fear of how wolfy it makes me look. you can argue my arctic play fits that mold and i'd probly agree (though i'd doubt my ability to come off as pristine as i did if i was manufacturing some spiel about missing dinner because i remembered a slip arcy made). but my day 1 play doesn't align with it. i think you know that, but you're also just scared. i would tell lissa to wolf arctic or someone else out (she did/was) and i'd align with her on that front because i'd be well aware of the likelihood of a rask cfd if i'm w/w/w with those two and i'd be very wary of any cred to be gained from pushing an afk wolf out. in what world do you think i would ever give up wolf equity like that without gaining something very solid in return?

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i can't help that your day 1 is weird af friendo. you had a weird af day 1 that i have not seen from you before. i don't think its absurd for me to consider all angles in this game (and frankly i'm getting so tired of people getting so upset the moment i bring up my thought process on differing slots in this game. i don't view all of you through peachy keen sunglasses because i don't have TMI and the moment i suggest something is off doesn't mean i'm tunneling you)

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re: bean game vs this game: your post about pretending to be cop gave the same "wowzers is this real mech??" vibe that the linked post gave in bean game. it is absolutely insane to me that you think you could possibly soft a n0 wolf check on a player with any degree of confidence wherein you would then doubt it so early that you'd ask me for mechanical advice about the possibility of a miller. that is batshit crazy to me. but despite that, i still have you town for other reasons. it's not unfair for me to bring this up in case this games goes to an f3 that i'm not a part of (I am always dying tomorrow if we miselim maple today). sorry not sorry

[Totally not Taffy]

@Maple he was being very cagey and refusing to claim his track or result but claiming he did get a result.

Also noting for the class: Visor specifically said I *did not move N1*
He confirmed d2 that it was not a roleblock and he did get a result
And he is now joke shading me as wolf roleblocker

for me to be a wolf you have to believe either:
1. I have ninja'd actions
2. I had lissa carry the n1k instead of me despite me having far better night positioning off the rask flip
3. I'm a mafia goon
4. I holstered some role despite reading arctic as PR and having both taffy and sunbae claim PR d1

wolfy pivot bro
don't be a nerd if you're town and just help me find the wolf in ben/maple

Your days are off, Visor received the action N1 and tracked you nowhere N2
Not sure that changes anything for your argument though

Taffy (24)

[Totally not Taffy]

Disjointed as fuck post cause im basically quoting random shit that i see on my skim and add it to this abomination of a post.
@Totally not Taffy do you have any specifics on what the wolf anticlaim mechanic is? or just that one exists

No just that it exists

this was a lie btw i dont think anyone gives a shit but was hoping it reduced the odds i got shot *that night* since i was planning on giving out a jail tho it'd be funny to retroactively claim that i was trying to lw soft

@pzelda Good call

Taffy (22)