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[didistetter]

if all the claims are legit:

we just have taffy not light up or like.. douse tbd , have arctic redirect visitors to visor onto himself, and visor cant die or be RBd and guaranteed gets a track off.

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 901

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	ladd	Visor (14), nebjiamn (40)
1	Visor	waza (24)
9	Not Voting	Arctic (22), EnderWiggin (13), Lissa (7), Maple (23), Totally not Taffy (6), annika (14), dyachei (7), ladd (16), pzelda (10), didistetter (28)

[waza]

if all the claims are legit:

we just have taffy not light up or like.. douse tbd , have arctic redirect visitors to visor onto himself, and visor cant die or be RBd and guaranteed gets a track off.

Meh

Seems like a whole lot of setup and aversion of solving today (ie giving free passes to a cluster of pr claims I’m hesitant on)

And the payoff is close to nothing lol

I’d feel better about it if it didn’t increase the already high odds of Arctic dieing in the night

Meh, probs just gonna vanity today since I been busier than anticipated or just be arctics double voter

[didistetter]

How many in rask ladd taffy dya?

Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff

Interesting

vote: waza

@nebjiamn can u walk me what was going through your brain when you made that vote?

Vote: Unvote

[didistetter]

How many in rask ladd taffy dya?

Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff

Interesting

vote: waza

Meh

Seems like a whole lot of setup and aversion of solving today (ie giving free passes to a cluster of pr claims I’m hesitant on)

And the payoff is close to nothing lol

I’d feel better about it if it didn’t increase the already high odds of Arctic dieing in the night

Meh, probs just gonna vanity today since I been busier than anticipated or just be arctics double voter

i mean it confirms arctic as his role, visor gets a crack at a track, and taffy is mildly forced to townside as any alignment

[Lissa]

im kind of getting arctic v vibes from his posts. there's something...nonchalant about them? and that fits with the pr claim

Why does nonchalance fit with pr claim for you

I believe the arctic claim, just more trying to like understand this particular line of thought because I kinda tilted my head at it when I read it

[Lissa]

if all the claims are legit:

we just have taffy not light up or like.. douse tbd , have arctic redirect visitors to visor onto himself, and visor cant die or be RBd and guaranteed gets a track off.

Seems correct

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn can u walk me what was going through your brain when you made that vote?

Vote: Unvote

i sort of remember thinking the way waza was picking and choosing who his "how many wolves in:" post was odd because he qualified it with how they were some of his fav people to town with and they were 0 posters at the time, i think? but that list of 0 posters also included sunbae, arctic, and maybe a few others, and I know he loves playing with sunbae (and i contemplated making a joke about how he hates arcy)

it was also partially a rejection of your townread to announce my concerns therestemming from what i just talkedabout. i didn't really see how you were towning him and NOT towning me when a lot of his posting felt off.

there was probably more to it than that but I can't remember entirely

[dyachei]

Why does nonchalance fit with pr claim for you

I believe the arctic claim, just more trying to like understand this particular line of thought because I kinda tilted my head at it when I read it

it just felt like he wasnt really all that worried about being elimmed

[waza]

Fwiw those names weren’t completely arbitrary or based on who I liked

It was based on people who I thought/expected to have posted by now + taffy

@stett

So we get Arctic to confirm his role.. at the cost of dieing? Lol I already believe him so I don’t need confirmation there

Taffy is forced to townside regardless, if they douse Arctic I’m just parking on them every day

Track even if I trd whoever they have it is very unlikely to find anything when wolves know it exists, which is one of my primary issues with mantis claim and soft. They really didn’t need to crumb and soft they gave a track, a simple soft at being inventor woulda been enough

And in the world I’m entertaining where visor could be a wolf then that track is never gonna give us anything lol

[Lissa]

it just felt like he wasnt really all that worried about being elimmed

I guess there's like two angles of mindset being a pr in ~danger at eod, that of not being in danger because you know you have the claim and that of not wanting to make the claim

Really mostly you get a mix depending on situation, personality, strength of pr etc, I'm waxing a bit theoretical, not really sure what I thought I was gonna get out of that question tbh

But anyway, fair enough

[waza]

I don't like maple's eod here at all ftr

prob my main take away from this

Giving him an excuse to vote me here probably but it's okay lol

Hmmm

This isn’t something a pr should say

Vote:arctic

[waza]

Hmmm

This isn’t something a pr should say

Vote:arctic

But yeah idk In its own context I that post from Arctic to be towny because of the lack of self preservation mindset that’s expressed in the post which reads as a villa saying what they want/believe in at eod because that’s their truth

In the context of them being a pr it is harder for me to justify why he would say that

I voted a pr claim
Yesterday so I’m more than open to doing the same today

Ironically enough it’s taffy’s claims who seems the most legit to me and the most verifiable because unless maple can give out bombs then I don’t see which other possible claim that rasks role is meant to counter from the pr claims so far

Probs one in the pr mess of arctic maple visor

Don’t think Arctic and maple work together because both wolves claiming pr like this means neither can really endgame and I’m assuming it’s 3 wolves and not 4 here

Maple and visor could in theory work, but Arctic and visor probs doesn’t work. So if maple and visor has a villa in them the last is probs somewhere in ender or ladd

[ladd]

Ill be around and do a re read of at least eod later today (in like 12 hours)

Ngl artic claim seems the weirdest to me cause wasting 2 pr slots on an odd/even redirector seems silly setup wise. Like redirector dying doesnt cause enough variance to split it in odd/even

I dunno

[ladd]

Also worth noting that in one of these past games hosted from gemma ender almost won as a wolf by giving visor a vest n1. Kinda funny visor got an item again lmao

Bbl

[nebjiamn]

I LITERALLY HAD TO STOP EATING DINNER CAUSE I REMEMBERED THIS????

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

read his role again

i may be stupid

IS THIS NOT OUTING? HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE IMPLCATIONS OF SUNBAE'S ROLE AND HOW IT WORKS BUT NOW HES CLAIMING THE EVEN NIGHT COUNTERPATR????????

[annika]

I LITERALLY HAD TO STOP EATING DINNER CAUSE I REMEMBERED THIS????









IS THIS NOT OUTING? HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE IMPLCATIONS OF SUNBAE'S ROLE AND HOW IT WORKS BUT NOW HES CLAIMING THE EVEN NIGHT COUNTERPATR????????

wait yeah

[annika]

that's actually such a good catch lol

@Arctic how is that not outing? you didnt read your own role or what xD

[didistetter]

lol

ngl if i saved a maf to kill a maf that's based as f

time to bark for us arcy :3

[Lissa]

I LITERALLY HAD TO STOP EATING DINNER CAUSE I REMEMBERED THIS????









IS THIS NOT OUTING? HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE IMPLCATIONS OF SUNBAE'S ROLE AND HOW IT WORKS BUT NOW HES CLAIMING THE EVEN NIGHT COUNTERPATR????????

yeah wait a minute lol that makes zero sense if he's that role what

[EnderWiggin]

I thought your read was based on one thing that you just didn't want to let go? I don't really hate the things that you're actually calling out here like, on principle, but I'm more confused about why you now have this whole case on the rest of my behaviour when it was just one thing you didn't like

It's called "24 hours of night phase where my brain is still ticking over about the game to actually elaborate further on my vague feelings and reread things I care about"

Because I don't rest during night phases for dumb reasons.

[EnderWiggin]

Since you have doused me, yeah, I am a PR. Specifically I'm the even night version of Sunbae's role. I was not informed about any anticlaim. So I will in fact self-resolve and you should not kill me. Especially because it does not get us a ML

Then why'd I have to explain what Benneh was talking about to you?

(I see Benneh has already pointed this out and I think I shall set them upon my townpile permanently now instead of double checking myself.)

Anyway

Vote: Arctic

You may now townclear me.

[EnderWiggin]

wolf inventor amirite

Unironically kinda think this.

[Lissa]

drinking a nice fruity drink and thumbing through arctic's posts

I think him being a wolf looks like, really really good for visor lol

his push on him was really uncharitable and flat out misinterpretive in a way I don't think w/w pushes look very often

I don't really think he's a wolf with maple but it's not AS strong

he's not a wolf with taffy but I don't really think taffy was ever a wolf anyway at this point. frankly his posting kinda gives me the sense that he had some kind of mechanical reason to think taffy was a neutral after her claim, or at least otherwise thought so for some reason

trying to claim the sunbae counterpart when he obviously had NO IDEA what the role even did is crazy, I guess he needed a reason to not have taffy ignite him, and he didn't think something else would fit in the setup? should've isoed himself first wowee

reading his most recent posts it feels obvious he felt backed into a corner and like he had no other option but to claim and was trying desperately to leverage it into living

[Lissa]

it just felt like he wasnt really all that worried about being elimmed

I think this specific way of talking about/focus on uhh words focus on focus on the like posting style around the claim in this specific way idk I'm failing at making this coherent

but like

847 claim from arctic

other people are talking about the mechanical elements of the claim, focused on, other people are responding to the claim

not a huge samplesize of people

but

anyway

I want to say the focus on his behavior in the way dya has done it post claim tends to be like a TMI thing, on average, for wolves towards wolf claims. there's an underlying reason to not weight the claim itself, a not knowing how hard the claim will be weighted and overcompensating, when the villager instinct with something like that is a bit more towards seeing the claim and either taking it at face value, or evaluating focused on it. on average obviously. but on some level, I kinda think that dya was trying to shore up reasons that arctic was town, because they knew the claim could have problems by virtue of not actually fitting in the setup, they knew it wasn't real so they were focused on the behavior around his claim in a different way than villagers were processing his claim.

[waza]

Considering Arctic is already doused I suppose we can always just ignite him and use the vote today

I get that Arctic being a wolf looks good for visor and ender and heck maybe even ladd so tbh I don’t even know where to go, it looks pretty bad for me so you should probs just resolve me today and douse Arctic at night and just reassess tmrw

[nebjiamn]

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

read his role again

i may be stupid

Considering Arctic is already doused I suppose we can always just ignite him and use the vote today

I get that Arctic being a wolf looks good for visor and ender and heck maybe even ladd so tbh I don’t even know where to go, it looks pretty bad for me so you should probs just resolve me today and douse Arctic at night and just reassess tmrw

nah

i am very very strong on we just kill arctic with the vote and not leave it up to taffy/any potential roleblocks/stops etc. and i don't think you need to die. don't be defeatist, we got a pretty sick catch
@Lissa i like your posting rn a lot and agree

vote: arctic

[Lissa]

my instinct is that pzelda's handling of me is like. REALLY villagery

I want to say the era in which he was playing wasn't overlapped too much with the time when I was really getting ita1d2 shot more often; and was still pretty standardly high posting and hard to kill. Idk if the timeline actually fits this? ten years blur together a bit. I definitely feel like I remember him playing more like 5-6 years ago than 2-3. I guess like this is all sort of asides though for the fact that I believe his way of handling me and attempts to read my alignment. I'm a little confused I'm having a hard time finding a lot of the posts I was thinking of.

Actually I'm pretty sure I was actually thinking of ender's posts. Oooops

I mean dude's still really villagery. His and ender's posting is remniscient of ender in a lot of ways; probably should be townreading ender harder given that lol. I don't know how much of it is stylistic for either of them really. But they're very off on their own no team doing their own thing kind of feeling the type of people where in a mash I spend a couple days defending them and then doubt myself against consensus and then give up and they flip villager.

Pzelda's just, he's a little out of touch, not really out of touch exactly, he doesn't feel like he's trying to adapt how he's viewing things to the thread at all ever. This guy is just town. I guess ender also is town? Ender's handling of me is really town. I wish I knew how he looked when he wolfed that's my hangup. I don't get QUITE as strong a sense of the like more deeply layered threads of what leads him to be out on his own doing his own thing but it's pretty there still. But he feels like not just the villager I gave up defending incorrectly who got ITAed but also the occasional guy I HARD defended for exactly the same reason but whiffed because that's just how they play the game. idk this guy is also just town though yolo

Arctic ladd dya ez

Surely not that ez but it's a fun thought

[Lissa]

nah

i am very very strong on we just kill arctic with the vote and not leave it up to taffy/any potential roleblocks/stops etc. and i don't think you need to die. don't be defeatist, we got a pretty sick catch
@Lissa i like your posting rn a lot and agree

vote: arctic

I think this is correct, yeah. I feel like 1. it seems super likely that wolves have some sort of general tampering given what we know and can estimate about the setup and mechanical situation 2. I think Taffy has a LOT of neutral equity and with a dead wolf D1, her motivation to kill another wolf is very low if so, so even if wolves don't interfere there's a lot of good reason for her to just kinda like. Fake being tampered? And then we have to deal with this tomorrow and it'll suck up discussion and suck the air out of the room and yeah we should just kill arctic today

Vote: arctic

[EnderWiggin]

my instinct is that pzelda's handling of me is like. REALLY villagery

I want to say the era in which he was playing wasn't overlapped too much with the time when I was really getting ita1d2 shot more often; and was still pretty standardly high posting and hard to kill. Idk if the timeline actually fits this? ten years blur together a bit. I definitely feel like I remember him playing more like 5-6 years ago than 2-3. I guess like this is all sort of asides though for the fact that I believe his way of handling me and attempts to read my alignment. I'm a little confused I'm having a hard time finding a lot of the posts I was thinking of.

Actually I'm pretty sure I was actually thinking of ender's posts. Oooops

I mean dude's still really villagery. His and ender's posting is remniscient of ender in a lot of ways; probably should be townreading ender harder given that lol. I don't know how much of it is stylistic for either of them really. But they're very off on their own no team doing their own thing kind of feeling the type of people where in a mash I spend a couple days defending them and then doubt myself against consensus and then give up and they flip villager.

Pzelda's just, he's a little out of touch, not really out of touch exactly, he doesn't feel like he's trying to adapt how he's viewing things to the thread at all ever. This guy is just town. I guess ender also is town? Ender's handling of me is really town. I wish I knew how he looked when he wolfed that's my hangup. I don't get QUITE as strong a sense of the like more deeply layered threads of what leads him to be out on his own doing his own thing but it's pretty there still. But he feels like not just the villager I gave up defending incorrectly who got ITAed but also the occasional guy I HARD defended for exactly the same reason but whiffed because that's just how they play the game. idk this guy is also just town though yolo

Arctic ladd dya ez

Surely not that ez but it's a fun thought

Once I was a topposter townread player like you.

Then I took a flashwagon to the knee.