Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Sunbae]

This is post 48 for me and I'm gonna call it here to conserve for later/tomorrow. Will be reading along.

Ender hi! we yet again pass each other like ships in the night but im looking forward to your takes on my posts

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin

Where are you at

Idk. I'm throwing out my entire reads list I think. I do find it hilarious that I got to Jan correctly through being wrong on Maple but I'm obviously shot in terms of my frame of game understanding.

In terms of out of thread I just didn't have the energy this morning to start the task of rebuilding my worldview. Still feels like a monumental task but if I don't get started I'm gonna procrastinate so here I am.

[ladd]

i mean i do indeed acknowledge that but the point i was making that was what you're describing him as saying/doing w/r/t jans claim and etc, so was i just in a different way? and i know i'm a villager? who was having that pov? so i don't see how it would be /outing/

Visor is not the type of player who would let a wolfy player claim pr (not even pr really) and just go "ok lets kill someone else"

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[EnderWiggin]

This is post 48 for me and I'm gonna call it here to conserve for later/tomorrow. Will be reading along.

Ender hi! we yet again pass each other like ships in the night but im looking forward to your takes on my posts

Lmao. How does this keep happening.

[Lissa]

Let me ask both of you then:

What path can I take to be viewed as a villager? You have both spent days in this game thinking I was posting villagery - you both defended me on day 2 and day 3! - and we have found ourselves in a final 5 where I am being told that really there's nothing I can do for you to find me even if we get a wolf today.

This results in me being in a position where I either find ways for you to find me or I have to just hope ya'll are wolves together. And I don't really think that's the case but I'm not sure how else to approach this day. I feel like I'm by far the villageriest person in the thread today.

i didn't say that or at least i'm not trying to say that

and i mean i spent days thinking everyone in this thread alive now was posting villagery and half of them are wolves

but also like i don't really know the answer to your question tbh

i'm trying to figure out whether you're a villager and how to find you if you are

Alrighty, you seemed to think it was me/sunbae.

i mean if i had to guess the wolfteam in the next 30 seconds or lose i think that's what i'd be most likely to snap off

[ladd]

Let me ask both of you then:

What path can I take to be viewed as a villager? You have both spent days in this game thinking I was posting villagery - you both defended me on day 2 and day 3! - and we have found ourselves in a final 5 where I am being told that really there's nothing I can do for you to find me even if we get a wolf today.

This results in me being in a position where I either find ways for you to find me or I have to just hope ya'll are wolves together. And I don't really think that's the case but I'm not sure how else to approach this day. I feel like I'm by far the villageriest person in the thread today.

1) i never defended you d2 nor d3, i am confused why you said so (lissa even less since they thought you were a wolf d3)

2) i said i have visor>ender>sunabe as the order from most wolfy to least but visor/ender is a bit of an harder fit than visor/sunbae to me. But i def am mor ethan willing to consider ender/visor world

[Lissa]

Visor is not the type of player who would let a wolfy player claim pr (not even pr really) and just go "ok lets kill someone else"

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i mean it wasn't really about it being a pr claim it was about it being potentially self resolving. from a pov of jan having /any/ villager equity it was mechanically correct to wait, because he could literally resolve himself for free lmao

[ladd]

i mean it wasn't really about it being a pr claim it was about it being potentially self resolving. from a pov of jan having /any/ villager equity it was mechanically correct to wait, because he could literally resolve himself for free lmao

He could have just picked another wolf or holstered and said he neighbourized the nk and he would not have self resolved

His claim was nai iyam

He self resolved but we all were surprised by it lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Ender, talk to me about Ladd and sunbae

Sunbae has had several posts I remember as thinking "This is Sunbae thought process as town" originally. (I remember there was a Waza read I think?) I pretty much checked out too deeply on thinking about it until I was reading yesterday's posts and found them a little conclusiony, and I was also keyed in that Sunbae seemed to be defeatist about a Maple vote and I thought that might have been pairing.

Maple's town flip means I want to reread that sequence before I pass judgement, but the conclusiony statement stuff is probably my biggest questionmark there.

Ladd I honestly am not great at reading. Especially when he swings for me, since I feel like I default to wolf a lot when sometimes he's not. I know he susses me a bunch either way. But I thought with Maple and everything I was pretty sure he wasn't a wolf as well. (Jan/Ladd/Maple didn't feel like it would play the way it did ya know?)

But again I'm not gonna hold to that just yet.

[ladd]

This is post 48 for me and I'm gonna call it here to conserve for later/tomorrow. Will be reading along.

Ender hi! we yet again pass each other like ships in the night but im looking forward to your takes on my posts

You are not gonna vote today? Or yes?

[ladd]

until I was reading yesterday's posts and found them a little conclusiony,

@ender which ones? Cause i feel yesterday sunbae's posting was insanely open minded

Also i am confused why being defeatist on maple flip would mean w/w?

[Sunbae]

You are not gonna vote today? Or yes?

Im gonna be up for a bit and see how the spurt goes with Ender and what else comes up. I will vote before I go to bed unless someone votes first in which case im gonna give the biggest cherry plead emoji for the hammer lmao

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[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 1062

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
5	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (5), Lissa (22), Sunbae (49), Visor (22), ladd (21)

Votes are locked.

[Lissa]

He could have just picked another wolf or holstered and said he neighbourized the nk and he would not have self resolved

His claim was nai iyam

He self resolved but we all were surprised by it lmao

well yes if he doesn't die you just kill him

thats why i said, from a pov of him having any villager equity

his claim was nai at best (wolfy imo in timing)

you don't not kill him because the claim was villagery you opt to not kill him because if he's a villa or tries to go for a spicy play (not something id have expected, the relevant world is mainly the former) he's literally an extra, free, kill for the village/missing on him doesnt take an elim/etc

idk that it was actually correct in that specific situations for a few reasons both including how wolfy i thought he was and where we went instead/our lack of appealing alternatives in the moment and the last minute ness of it, but i do think generally speaking letting it resolve is mechanically correct there in many cases

[EnderWiggin]

@ender which ones? Cause i feel yesterday sunbae's posting was insanely open minded

Also i am confused why being defeatist on maple flip would mean w/w?

Conclusiony in that they felt more like conclusions than what I associate with Sunbae town which is collaboration with players they find towny.

I'll be honest I'm not sure how much that actually reflects the posts, I'm catching up on today then will reread and get back to you.

Defeatist on maple flip I thought sus because it felt like they were trying to discourage it but didn't want to defend Maple directly? Like idk I find that's a generally wolfy position for a wolf about to go over is the "trying to drain momentum but not defending" approach.

Obviously irrelevant because Maple flipped town but I was expressing why I had that at eod /shrug

[EnderWiggin]

I feel so dumb because Ender is either lock clear or outed and I can't figure out which

I feel this is just my state of existence in most games lol. I'm either lock clear or outed and voted out no matter my alignment.

[ladd]

Defeatist on maple flip I thought sus because it felt like they were trying to discourage it but didn't want to defend Maple directly? Like idk I find that's a generally wolfy position for a wolf about to go over is the "trying to drain momentum but not defending" approach.

Ill say the same thing i said to visor - no sane wolf was ever gonna defend maple there as w/w, it was incredibly obvious the lunch wasnt gonna swing anywhere

[EnderWiggin]

lissa, there have been multiple times today you have responded with some form of "this line makes sense for you take as a villager" to my posts and i am begging you to take a step back and realize (or at least openly explore!) thats because im a villager instead of an omega mega mind wolf who happens to know the exact right lines villager me would be thinking of

I'm ngl this is the wolfiest post I've seen so far this phase.

You literally just finished casing me/Lissa as the two wolves and then you turn around and plead with Lissa like they're a villager.

[EnderWiggin]

I just remembered that I had some read about how Lissa is definitely town based on how she is being treated/handled by wolves and I feel like I'm re-inforcing that mental idea but I'll double check in case this is a "Maple wolf" thought that I haven't dropped properly

[EnderWiggin]

Okay caught up. Today's posting kinda leads me to a Sunbae + 1 of Ladd/Visor. (Partially just because Lissa I'm inclined towards town.)

But now I reread thread from start.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually I'm gonna answer "Why would wolf!Sunbae spend a day saying I'm wolfy when no one was buying it."

Because I was gonna chop Maple. It would've taken a massive swing (Or Maple posting something that shocked me out of my tunnel) for that not to happen. And when Maple flips town I look a lot less towny than I did moments before.

Plus I have a history of being mischopped on Org. Not necessarily early so much but I've been lategame mischopped quite a few times. And you know that. If you post things to undermine my position then Maple flips town from my tunnel no one will blink at me not being nightkilled and then I'm a possible ml for you and you lose nothing for having been the DoomSayer.

(I will explore town!Sunbae worlds a bit later because I think I'm already tunnelling myself and I don't want to Maple again. But I am definitely talking myself into this world atm lol.)

[Sunbae]

hmmm, i suppose if ladd, visor, lissa, and ender have all called me their leading candidate then its time to just vote and see if i got it right then go to sleep

[EnderWiggin]

Reading D1 the idea of a Jan/Visor/Ladd wolfteam is kinda hilarious but also something I'm gonna keep tabs on. (Esp because I could see Ladd saying "Let's bus to get cred and give Knights the win." esp if the other wolf partner was already 2 votes up at that point. This is probably a dumb read but it was funny.)

[Lissa]

mrg

sunbae if you're a villager i believe that i /can/ and /will/ find you

im sorta struggling to rub two brain cells together rn but i should get a second wind of sorts pretty soon i think to do this reread of the game better

[ladd]

hmmm, i suppose if ladd, visor, lissa, and ender have all called me their leading candidate then its time to just vote and see if i got it right then go to sleep

Brah i am confused why you keep saying that. I made it clear my top candidate is visor

[Sunbae]

mrg

sunbae if you're a villager i believe that i /can/ and /will/ find you

im sorta struggling to rub two brain cells together rn but i should get a second wind of sorts pretty soon i think to do this reread of the game better

ok, i will hold off then. also to respond to ladd, youre right. you did say that visor >>> then me/ender. apologies. i cannot promise i will vote tonight then if lissa wants to do a reread but no rush i suppsose.

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[Lissa]

ok, i will hold off then. also to respond to ladd, youre right. you did say that visor >>> then me/ender. apologies. i cannot promise i will vote tonight then if lissa wants to do a reread but no rush i suppsose.

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i didn't really mean for you to hold off voting tbh

moreso that if you are a villager and vote a wolf i believe that i can get there

[EnderWiggin]

Lmao I love the lmao read

Lmao

(For real though I'm a sucker for those kind of reads, but I've seen Ladd use it a few times and it doesn't really stand out to me)

The visor post seems wolfy

Too wordy

K

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hopw does ender react with "glad we agree on something"

just to turn around and scumread the same post and vote maple based on it.

and all that in reaction to a reaction to the treestump.


Calling out knights readslist is pointless because you know his flip already.
agreeing with that callout just to turn on it does not make it any better.

Not even wolfy because it feels too sloppy to be a wolfplay. Just wrong on every level.

Stupid wasted note here but I honestly feel this is unpairing for me. Jan straight up shades me and goes "But nah it's not wolfy just ignore this man". Like when is that your first reaction to a wolfbuddy arriving in thread.

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I am reminded that I do not like Visor asking every new person in thread their take on my posts. Feels strongly like trying to get a vibe check and seeing if I'm ML bait yet.

Sunbae's D1 feels kinda towny I still like their poking around Waza.

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Finished D1 and I think the idea that it could be Ladd/Visor w/w is niggling my brain some. Ladd sussing both partners on-and-off over D1 without much follow up is something I could see with how ladd/me w/w in a game a while back spent most of D1 pushing each other and then voted Newcomb out eod1.

[EnderWiggin]

I will say D1 didn't give me a good reason to townread Lissa. I for some reason was expecting to feel better about her by EOD1. But I'm still like pretty sure there was some good reason for me to have cleared her so holding it while I finish rereading.

[EnderWiggin]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 370 through 427

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Visor	EnderWiggin (6), Raskolnikov (9), waza (1)
2	Raskolnikov	Sunbae (13), Visor (14)
6	Not Voting	Cape90 (9), Jan (0), Lissa (0), Logic (0), Maple (3), ladd (1)

I kinda dont think visor is a wolf now

But i dont think rask is a wolf either (more strongly so)

Not sure if them being v/v works out tho lol