Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Visor]

what do you make of jans first real post being a smackdown on ender?

[Sunbae]

if i am being completely honest, i don't think i have played a more villagery game since.... god i don't know like 2022 or something lol (not that it has translated to being good at catching wolves apparently....)

i've actually had time to play this game for the most part and its been fun to play with you guys, but also a sad reminder of just how bad i am compared to where i used to be lol

this game has been very fun and the org games remain goated. i have played what is likely a bottom 10% villa game so far but I will do my best to clutch it out at the end. I think if I get today wrong it will not be on anyone else but myself. Everyone here has plenty of villagery posting.

[Visor]

Ok I understand that. Do you think it could ever be ladd/lissa? In fact can I get your extended take on Lissa? You were around during the jan burial and eod so youd have a better understanding of the flow/vibes than i do reading it in hindsight

man i thought you would read my wall at the very least lol, i explained it there

Lissa: lissa is a funny one, if you look at d1 in isolation you could convince me she is a wolf - i came out pushing her a bit late d1 and early d2 in part because i don't think she really kicked on to anything - she felt like a sidelines/commentary character at that point. going into d2 i was expecting some heat there and she played in a way that is close to my heart - for the last while i have been very busy and it has been hard for me to play ww, sometimes i play a game and i just cant get a handle on it because i am not able to get invested or really absorb what people are posting. but occasionally i try to just focus in on one read that i am confident in v or w and push that because that is the only lifeline i have found that i can cling onto. sometimes i will do these things in mashes too when the game is too fast for my advanced years lol. when i saw her push on jan, i felt that kind of emotion, even if it isn't necessarily what lissa was doing, but because i have been there so many times over the last couple years that i saw myself there in what she was doing and it made me step back a bit and reconsider my push.

you could absolutely make the argument she bussed - the typical lines like one strong read, no real wavering, etc. i think (as i mentioned earlier) that holistically theres an argument for it and lissa is definitely canny enough to pull off the bus, but on an emotional level for me despite her d1, it is hard for me to get over seeing that line of play and coming away not village reading her. i think her play today has also similarly had an emotive level to it that she FEELS she is clear, particularly noting her bite back to rask earlier today. if shes a wolf shes fuckin me over like that thing game, which is unfortunate lol, but shes played well.

reflecting on this in hindsight i think theres a lot of wanting lissa to be v but its what i felt at the time at least. i need to reread things again and get a feeling for the timing of how things played out

[Sunbae]

no i read it (i believe that was the walls we xposted!) i just wanted to know how you feel right now once maple flipped v

[Visor]

heres where i am at now, apologies for jumbled mess of thoughts incoming:

i am torn between lissa voting jan being both villagery and wolfy, villagery because like duh obviously, it killed a wolf, wolfy because it came as a strong read, arguably the only strong read of substance lissa has had this game, when lissa was getting some heat and under the pump of the thread. back in the day i would've just probably locked lissa as a villager, because she usually struggled to bus and specifically would struggle to bus with any strength, however, when she schooled the fuck out of me in that thing game, she showed me that she has move far beyond where she used to be in terms of handling both wolf partners and pressure in thread. my heart wants her to be v, because she correctly found me as v in a position where i concede it could be difficult to do so, and the fact that we had similar thoughts at the same times on a variety of topics that didnt feel like she was trying to align herself with me.

my head knows that this kind of setup is the kind of setup that can win a game though, so its something i will be revisiting later tonight.

[Sunbae]

Lissa we probs v/v don’t vote me

Lissa do u really think visor sunbae and ladd can be pure and the wolves decide to n1 the slot visor called the biggest ml bait in the lobby?

ok i think i need to just stfu about this lissa/ender thing. cape thought lissa was clear too and if she gets us she gets us

[Visor]

no i read it (i believe that was the walls we xposted!) i just wanted to know how you feel right now once maple flipped v

i dont know? the fact she has managed to find me as v makes me desperately want to believe her.

like my god i just want to believe lol.

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 997

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
5	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (0), Lissa (1), Sunbae (31), Visor (17), ladd (7)

Votes are locked.

[Sunbae]

Im going to iso each individual player now. I will not be pulling quotes as I got. I will also be periodically doing horses (i got two different 9 star one today!!!) and getting food so I will be in the mines for a while.

[Sunbae]

"i want to believe" is something i understand very well this game LOL

[Visor]

Im going to iso each individual player now. I will not be pulling quotes as I got. I will also be periodically doing horses (i got two different 9 star one today!!!) and getting food so I will be in the mines for a while.

congrats man

i can field a full stable of 18* now, i just wish i had the supporters to get my characters over the hump, without MLB supporters i am always just short of greatness

[Sunbae]

the support is worth so much more than the horses and i wish i knew that at the start :(

[Visor]

What if the plan was always to have Jan die?

[Visor]

@EnderWiggin

Where are you at

[Lissa]

gm

Ill vote sunbae or visor

@Lissa let me know which one you prefer

I dont have access to pc but from my recollection ender/visor is a very weird fit so i guess that makes sunbae always a wolf

Visor is honestly so wolfy to me that i struggle to not think its just sunbae/visor but i guess sunbae/ender also has some equity


The wolves wincon is probably mislunching me and its why rask died over you imo

(I guess the villager in ender/visor/sunbae is also mislunchable but prolly easier to go for me?)

prolly sunbae, i need to look at some stuff and sort thru my thoughts more tho

honestly i wasnt even really surprised maple flipped v at all deep down i kinda expected it

i was lamenting not doing anything about it but idk that it was possible or useful and idk that i could have truly ever /cleared/ her so bleh

Well karma has a way of coming back I suppose, nearly broke my ankle on the way to work this morning

Nothing to do but laugh, sorry rask, sorry maple

Game ain't over till the fat lady sings though.

Ladd, can you please walk me through your thoughts on sunbae a bit more

Lissa, where are you at on ender

Ender, talk to me about Ladd and sunbae

Sunbae can you talk to me about how yesterday went down and where you are at rn

I will have time to reread tonight, but I'm onsite this week so won't be around much till then

Mention me if you got any questions and I'll get to them then

from my rereading, ender + jan would be fairly weird

wanna look at it again to feel more strongly about it, i think

[Visor]

Hi lissa

Where you at rn

I'm fried and so are my horses lol

[Lissa]

Hi lissa

Where you at rn

I'm fried and so are my horses lol

catching up (well again, i skimmed today earlier) and trying to sorta decide where my thoughts are progressing

i stayed up an extra while past when i intended to last night finishing a career run lmao

[Lissa]

my immediate reaction to the flip was basically: i kinda expected this on some level, i wish i did something with that, i think we're living in the sunbae/ladd hellworld

i still lean that but i need to really solidify it, delve deep on you to make sure i'm not misclearing you, delve deep on ender to make sure i'm not removing those worlds for bad reasons, just generally kinda look at a bunch of stuff again

2nd drive by:

It would be super swell if Visor and Ladd crossed because I don't think Ender/Lissa are paired (eod2 lissa vote by ender). Then Ender can vote Visor and Lissa can vote Ladd and i can be lack claire and we can spend the rest of the day working it out from there.

As Ive thought about the game today I've kind of realized that I think our avenue to winning is me lack clearing myself via hammer mechanics because everyone seems to have me as their second wolf and therefore even if we vote right today we're probably in danger tomorrow. It's a bit of a hail mary but I do think this is winnable still (just more so if I get to hammer)

i mean we lose the game on the spot if you're a wolf there though, i'm not voting before you sorry lmao

[Lissa]

i'm squinting at that pretty hard, that only works to lock clear you if we decide we're willing to lose the game if you're a wolf already in the first place..

[Lissa]

heres where i am at now, apologies for jumbled mess of thoughts incoming:

i am torn between lissa voting jan being both villagery and wolfy, villagery because like duh obviously, it killed a wolf, wolfy because it came as a strong read, arguably the only strong read of substance lissa has had this game, when lissa was getting some heat and under the pump of the thread. back in the day i would've just probably locked lissa as a villager, because she usually struggled to bus and specifically would struggle to bus with any strength, however, when she schooled the fuck out of me in that thing game, she showed me that she has move far beyond where she used to be in terms of handling both wolf partners and pressure in thread. my heart wants her to be v, because she correctly found me as v in a position where i concede it could be difficult to do so, and the fact that we had similar thoughts at the same times on a variety of topics that didnt feel like she was trying to align herself with me.

my head knows that this kind of setup is the kind of setup that can win a game though, so its something i will be revisiting later tonight.

to be clear, the reason that makes me a villager isn't that i couldn't do any of that as a wolf, because i absolutely could

the reason that makes me a villager is it's simply not what i /would/ have done there as a wolf; it was a day before mylo potentially. the most likely line i take is simply trying to kill a villager. i'm perfectly capable of bussing and reading a room for when bussing is optimal, and i actually don't think it was there. people were sorta all over the place. elim a villa, holster the parting, go to mylo, imo if i never brought jan into focus that was very very possible in a me/jan world

the SECOND most likely line i take is committing to killing jan at the eod instead of having him use the parting gift (this one doesn't really work very well in an ender also w world obv but i think that should clearly not be the world for other reasons anyway)

[Lissa]

obv thats all kinda levels but shrug

i also think the way jan posted at me earlier in the game was pretty unpaired

[Lissa]

i still think visor is a villa atm

[Lissa]

i need to get some food and then in a few im gonna go drive around a quiet road

and then when i get back ill dig into things

[Visor]

Alright I'm gonna head to bed

Want to hear from ender at the very least before I vote

[Sunbae]

i'm squinting at that pretty hard, that only works to lock clear you if we decide we're willing to lose the game if you're a wolf already in the first place..

counterargument: play to win (clearing me in games im a villager when im likely to get mischopped in f3 even if we get it right today) rather than play not to lose (not giving me the hammer because itd be sad if i were a wolf)


counterargument 2: itd be such a hype play we'd all keep mentioning it in the future. "member that time you voted no wolves, everyone thought you were a wolf, but we yolo'd and gave you the hammer and cleared you and we ended up winning? that was cool" coming to a dvc conversation near you in 2028

counterargument 3: it would absolutely hilarious to give me the hammer, get mega hyped about yolo clearing me, and then i vote wrong anyways. Peak comedy.


Any of these swaying you?

[Sunbae]

i still think visor is a villa atm

Here's the problem with that to me: I am struggling to find Ladd wolf in this situation after reading his early game. He's villa reading Waza, Cape, Rask. He's voting Jan. He's refusing my Jan shield and voting Jan anyways.

If you are a villager and Visor is a villager then not only is the team Ladd/Ender but we have to somehow convince each other (me, you, visor) on the ones we are right about while pushing each other off the ones we are wrong about. Ya'll would need to convince me on Ladd while I convince yall on Ender.

It's not impossible but we have a lot of cooperative work to do if that's going to be the case and I'm not really sure where to start on there (which circles us back around to I think the best chance for us to win is to give me the hammer and I have no idea how to achieve this goal)

[Sunbae]

Argument that Ladd/Me world does not exist: A total lack of team cohesiveness. If Ladd is a wolf then he is clearly playing a pro villa game where he is clearing villagers under concern while pushing Jan from the get go. However neither Jan nor I are playing in a similar way. If I'm a wolf I am being massively pro-wolf where I push Waza then Rask then Maple. Jan was not playing pro village in that instance either. Yet in this case Ladd would not have anything negative towards me when people have found me wolfy from the get go? That the game plan would be for Ladd to be pro-villa while I'm pro-wolf but never have anything in the first two days for Ladd to point to about me?

I don't think any of that holds water.

[Lissa]

counterargument: play to win (clearing me in games im a villager when im likely to get mischopped in f3 even if we get it right today) rather than play not to lose (not giving me the hammer because itd be sad if i were a wolf)


counterargument 2: itd be such a hype play we'd all keep mentioning it in the future. "member that time you voted no wolves, everyone thought you were a wolf, but we yolo'd and gave you the hammer and cleared you and we ended up winning? that was cool" coming to a dvc conversation near you in 2028

counterargument 3: it would absolutely hilarious to give me the hammer, get mega hyped about yolo clearing me, and then i vote wrong anyways. Peak comedy.


Any of these swaying you?

yeah i mean its a fair play if you are a villager, obv, been thinking about it while not itt and it's obviously a line that makes sense for you here in that world, was just kinda weirded out at you not acknowledging more the part where it /does/ require betting the game on you v in order to confirm you v

[Lissa]

Argument that Ladd/Me world does not exist: A total lack of team cohesiveness. If Ladd is a wolf then he is clearly playing a pro villa game where he is clearing villagers under concern while pushing Jan from the get go. However neither Jan nor I are playing in a similar way. If I'm a wolf I am being massively pro-wolf where I push Waza then Rask then Maple. Jan was not playing pro village in that instance either. Yet in this case Ladd would not have anything negative towards me when people have found me wolfy from the get go? That the game plan would be for Ladd to be pro-villa while I'm pro-wolf but never have anything in the first two days for Ladd to point to about me?

I don't think any of that holds water.

i do agree that you and ladd as a team is /weird/ and i remember noting that at several points; need to remind myself of why (i hear the stuff you're describing, it was different stuff) again and see how much i think it holds up

[Lissa]

Here's the problem with that to me: I am struggling to find Ladd wolf in this situation after reading his early game. He's villa reading Waza, Cape, Rask. He's voting Jan. He's refusing my Jan shield and voting Jan anyways.

If you are a villager and Visor is a villager then not only is the team Ladd/Ender but we have to somehow convince each other (me, you, visor) on the ones we are right about while pushing each other off the ones we are wrong about. Ya'll would need to convince me on Ladd while I convince yall on Ender.

It's not impossible but we have a lot of cooperative work to do if that's going to be the case and I'm not really sure where to start on there (which circles us back around to I think the best chance for us to win is to give me the hammer and I have no idea how to achieve this goal)

yeah from your pov if v i can see why you're looking towards visor

but i really don't think he's a wolf i think