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I would be very surprised if Jan is a wolf fwiw. This isn't quite the level of when I say it about Dya in recent games here but it's only just below that.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
I would be very surprised if Jan is a wolf fwiw. This isn't quite the level of when I say it about Dya in recent games here but it's only just below that.
Why?I would be very surprised if Jan is a wolf fwiw. This isn't quite the level of when I say it about Dya in recent games here but it's only just below that.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Vote: Waza
The "lmao" read is the second thing I've seen from Waza that made me think "this is a performative read to look like he's thinking in depth" so let's apply pressure
I will say that he has expressed similar reads in other games (and town read me for them) so I don't think it is super out of his wheelhouse, though admittedly I suppose it depends how you feel about it in generalVote: Waza
The "lmao" read is the second thing I've seen from Waza that made me think "this is a performative read to look like he's thinking in depth" so let's apply pressure
After talking with lissa last game about needing to be more concrete and confident about expressing reads I am trying to do that here.
1. I think Waza's approach thus far is more likely to come from wolf Waza. I think there are posts made here to look villagery rather than to express opinions on alignments. This distinction is one that I struggle to articulate all the time but in this case it amounts to I believe villa Waza would have more succinct reads that he would expand upon if asked or needed while instead we have more elaborate "getting from point a to point b for a read" posts. Both the one about Rask and the one about Ladd's "lmao" both strike me as posts designed for people to look at and say "wow good thought process Waza, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager" rather than for waza to just be spitballing early reads.
Caveats of it's mid day 1 in a chill mostly rvs game so far and I am allowed to change my mind in the future apply.
2. Vanta's post about it looking like Visor is trying to chain something together and he doesn't like it is villagery for the exact same reasons I find Waza's posts wolfy. I look at it and say "wow good thought process Vanta, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager". Werewolf is a stupid game and I am able to hold these two thoughts simultaneously.
1. I think Waza's approach thus far is more likely to come from wolf Waza. I think there are posts made here to look villagery rather than to express opinions on alignments. This distinction is one that I struggle to articulate all the time but in this case it amounts to I believe villa Waza would have more succinct reads that he would expand upon if asked or needed while instead we have more elaborate "getting from point a to point b for a read" posts. Both the one about Rask and the one about Ladd's "lmao" both strike me as posts designed for people to look at and say "wow good thought process Waza, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager" rather than for waza to just be spitballing early reads.
Caveats of it's mid day 1 in a chill mostly rvs game so far and I am allowed to change my mind in the future apply.
2. Vanta's post about it looking like Visor is trying to chain something together and he doesn't like it is villagery for the exact same reasons I find Waza's posts wolfy. I look at it and say "wow good thought process Vanta, you're really thinking intricately about the game so you must be a villager". Werewolf is a stupid game and I am able to hold these two thoughts simultaneously.
Originally Posted by Visor:
Why?
I cannot explain this one any more clearly than "I read his posts and he seems like an obvious villager doing obvious villager things to me"Why?
that is, i wish i could explain more clearly
Originally Posted by Vanta Black:
This does make any sense, logically. False premise, bad conclusion.
In order: Vanta most commonly miskilled player here. Really? I mean the most commonly mizzled? If true I probably deserve it, but I don't think it's true.
Cape knows it. Also not really supported by facts.
Conclusion: But even if true, the logic doesn't hold up. I get mizzled a lot, so my "partner" comes out bussing me at the getgo. I mean there are hellbussers, and Cape may be one, but this doesn't actually make sense.
I'm gonna flip town. That won't make Cape look particularly good. Although not particularly bad either, probably.
This "logic" looks like setting up a chain of some kind. I don't like it.
Yes, the chain is to kill cape and then you This does make any sense, logically. False premise, bad conclusion.
In order: Vanta most commonly miskilled player here. Really? I mean the most commonly mizzled? If true I probably deserve it, but I don't think it's true.
Cape knows it. Also not really supported by facts.
Conclusion: But even if true, the logic doesn't hold up. I get mizzled a lot, so my "partner" comes out bussing me at the getgo. I mean there are hellbussers, and Cape may be one, but this doesn't actually make sense.
I'm gonna flip town. That won't make Cape look particularly good. Although not particularly bad either, probably.
This "logic" looks like setting up a chain of some kind. I don't like it.
If cape is a villa obviously I will reassess
the fact that both of you have come out against it the way you have is reinforcing my confirmation bias lol
I'm gonna be real, there is some silly posts about what I've said already
Oh no I'm setting up a sneaky chain to kill people
There's nothing sneaky about it. I literally said I think they are w/w. There's nothing hidden in such a blatant statement lol
There's no smoke and mirrors, it is literally just the read that it is lol
But what will you do if one flips villager?
I'm going to just double down obviously, it's the children who are wrong
Ofc I will reassess, even if I was a wolf making this read on villagers I'd at least pretend to reassess
Basic ww 101 lol
Oh no I'm setting up a sneaky chain to kill people
There's nothing sneaky about it. I literally said I think they are w/w. There's nothing hidden in such a blatant statement lol
There's no smoke and mirrors, it is literally just the read that it is lol
But what will you do if one flips villager?
I'm going to just double down obviously, it's the children who are wrong
Ofc I will reassess, even if I was a wolf making this read on villagers I'd at least pretend to reassess
Basic ww 101 lol
I am prolly slow but I read last Sunbae post about waza and Vanta and I am even more confused lol.
What makes them different to you then? Like meta? (Ie expectatipns wrt waza wolf play or something?)
What makes them different to you then? Like meta? (Ie expectatipns wrt waza wolf play or something?)
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
I cannot explain this one any more clearly than "I read his posts and he seems like an obvious villager doing obvious villager things to me"
Fair enoughI cannot explain this one any more clearly than "I read his posts and he seems like an obvious villager doing obvious villager things to me"
I can sometimes feel like that with Jan but not so far this game
I am going to grab food then switch pn comp and reread the whole thing smh.
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
My villas right now are Jan, Ladd, Vanta, Cape
When sunbae doesn't have you in the town core againMy villas right now are Jan, Ladd, Vanta, Cape
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
I am prolly slow but I read last Sunbae post about waza and Vanta and I am even more confused lol.
What makes them different to you then? Like meta? (Ie expectatipns wrt waza wolf play or something?)
Metaish I guess would be the word under that descriptionI am prolly slow but I read last Sunbae post about waza and Vanta and I am even more confused lol.
What makes them different to you then? Like meta? (Ie expectatipns wrt waza wolf play or something?)
What did you make of enders posts sunbae
Originally Posted by Visor:
What did you make of enders posts sunbae
They seemed like normal intro posts to me and will wait for more stuff to make a read. Looking forward to maybe actually being around at the same time for once. Third times the charm right?What did you make of enders posts sunbae
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
They seemed like normal intro posts to me and will wait for more stuff to make a read. Looking forward to maybe actually being around at the same time for once. Third times the charm right?
What about mantiThey seemed like normal intro posts to me and will wait for more stuff to make a read. Looking forward to maybe actually being around at the same time for once. Third times the charm right?
Originally Posted by Visor:
What about manti
No real read on those yet (this is not a "manti impossible to read so I wont try" post)What about manti
Originally Posted by Visor:
Vanta is probably the most commonly miskilled player here (after taffy), cape plays here with regularity and knows this and knows that vanta will inevitably get heat because they don't post in a way that people typically find villagery (Regardless of vantas alignment)
A basic level of villager self awareness should understand this and even though they may find some early stuff from vanta wolfy, given the fact this is an extremely common miskill you just let it sit for a bit, because the odds are that you're not even reading into the right things and you can give them more rope to hang themself without ruining the measurement by interfering
it just strikes me as something done to do something in that if you already have that assumption, you just throw down a push early and provide some future benefit to both of you when one of you inevitably flips
I don't like making w/w reads this early with any seriousness but this just says to me w/w
Ymmv
Never played with Vanta outside of mashes on MU so I didn't know that Vanta was some common miskill. I missed a few recent games here no matter how many times people try to tell me I am pzelda :pVanta is probably the most commonly miskilled player here (after taffy), cape plays here with regularity and knows this and knows that vanta will inevitably get heat because they don't post in a way that people typically find villagery (Regardless of vantas alignment)
A basic level of villager self awareness should understand this and even though they may find some early stuff from vanta wolfy, given the fact this is an extremely common miskill you just let it sit for a bit, because the odds are that you're not even reading into the right things and you can give them more rope to hang themself without ruining the measurement by interfering
it just strikes me as something done to do something in that if you already have that assumption, you just throw down a push early and provide some future benefit to both of you when one of you inevitably flips
I don't like making w/w reads this early with any seriousness but this just says to me w/w
Ymmv
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Fwiw waza it has happened in a MU game Visor was hosting last month. Vanta got shrugged chopped D1. Cape played that game iirc.
This is not a chainsaw defense or something btw, do your own thing as it wouldnt surprise me if w!Visor was playing that card but at least you have more context.
I just checked, wasn't in that gameFwiw waza it has happened in a MU game Visor was hosting last month. Vanta got shrugged chopped D1. Cape played that game iirc.
This is not a chainsaw defense or something btw, do your own thing as it wouldnt surprise me if w!Visor was playing that card but at least you have more context.
Vate: Maple
I'd say Vanta towny recently. Visor is kinda towny now
Gonna sheep EnderWiggin, he feels okay rn
I feel like my read on ladd is stagnantly a "good null" which is kind of concerning
I'd say Vanta towny recently. Visor is kinda towny now
Gonna sheep EnderWiggin, he feels okay rn
I feel like my read on ladd is stagnantly a "good null" which is kind of concerning
Originally Posted by Cape90:
Never played with Vanta outside of mashes on MU so I didn't know that Vanta was some common miskill. I missed a few recent games here no matter how many times people try to tell me I am pzelda :p
WildNever played with Vanta outside of mashes on MU so I didn't know that Vanta was some common miskill. I missed a few recent games here no matter how many times people try to tell me I am pzelda :p
Guess I was wrong then lol
I could've sworn youve played like every game here
Back to the drawing board
Originally Posted by Cape90:
Vate: Maple
I'd say Vanta towny recently. Visor is kinda towny now
Gonna sheep EnderWiggin, he feels okay rn
I feel like my read on ladd is stagnantly a "good null" which is kind of concerning
Talk to me about ender pleaseVate: Maple
I'd say Vanta towny recently. Visor is kinda towny now
Gonna sheep EnderWiggin, he feels okay rn
I feel like my read on ladd is stagnantly a "good null" which is kind of concerning
I don't think Ladd has done anything worth being concerned about yet, ymmv
Originally Posted by Visor:
Yes, the chain is to kill cape and then you
If cape is a villa obviously I will reassess
the fact that both of you have come out against it the way you have is reinforcing my confirmation bias lol
This post I laughed at btw, like wow I come and push back on a wolf read on myself as if you wouldn't do the same in my shoes. What a shocker. I didn't really get your push on me until you explained the Vanta thing which seems to be in its own world seperate from just pushing me because I had an early readslist.Yes, the chain is to kill cape and then you
If cape is a villa obviously I will reassess
the fact that both of you have come out against it the way you have is reinforcing my confirmation bias lol
I moreso trust my towncore anyways early on then my ability to find mafia early from like 1 and a half pages, not that anyone is strongly wolfy even still with 6 pages of the game but to be fair it's like 30 posts per page
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Vote: Waza
The "lmao" read is the second thing I've seen from Waza that made me think "this is a performative read to look like he's thinking in depth" so let's apply pressure
Wdym chiefVote: Waza
The "lmao" read is the second thing I've seen from Waza that made me think "this is a performative read to look like he's thinking in depth" so let's apply pressure
Originally Posted by Sunbae:
Gonna call Vanta >rand villa and feel good about it
Yeah same Gonna call Vanta >rand villa and feel good about it
Kinda agree with ur villa list u posted after this
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Mmmmm.
This is a lot of not accurate stuff. Rask has been busy as town or wolf and it rarely impacts how he goes about the next game. I do like this read even tho I think it's silly.
Waza can be a lil bit green.
1. I kind of liked this. I think rask has been towny.Mmmmm.
This is a lot of not accurate stuff. Rask has been busy as town or wolf and it rarely impacts how he goes about the next game. I do like this read even tho I think it's silly.
Waza can be a lil bit green.
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Vote: Vanta Black
2. Mindmeld vote because this is probably the wolfiest thing that Vanta didVote: Vanta Black
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Chief I got questions
Chief I got questions
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Vote: Maple
Vanta could be having a rough start so I'll give em room. I feel like it's easy to pick up on their town thought process eventually (Which then no one understands which is why they get miskilled) so I wanna commit to working that out properly instead of shrug yeeting em.
Also that set of posts from Maple feels bad.tm.
3. All this and the vote on Maple and the way Ender was navigating the thread felt a bit sloppy to be a wolf, so pretty much I agree with what Jan said. I only partially get the push and it's mostly for Vote: Maple
Vanta could be having a rough start so I'll give em room. I feel like it's easy to pick up on their town thought process eventually (Which then no one understands which is why they get miskilled) so I wanna commit to working that out properly instead of shrug yeeting em.
Also that set of posts from Maple feels bad.tm.
Originally Posted by Maple:
I don't believe that'd you'd have a wolf read on me here. Ur meowted.
but the vote was mostly just to get off you and i was too lazy to look up how to unvote so it was them or Lissa as I want more from bothI don't believe that'd you'd have a wolf read on me here. Ur meowted.
Originally Posted by waza:
Wdym chief
Should've said Wdym chief
"Lmao chief"
Also in terms of ladd I am kinda bothered by his Visor read #106 because I feel like Visor hasn't been LHF recently in games like the last 2 mashes I have seen him in, well he had a bit of a slower start in previous mash but w/e.
I remember both Ladd and dya wolf reading me a bit in one of the recent villa games I had here when I posted a bunch cause I've been a slanker for a while
I don't really care about a read like that, I think he's just having fun
I don't really care about a read like that, I think he's just having fun
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