Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Cape90]

i thought that me saying idk a lot was a wolftell for me

i guess not since i just seem to be doing that now

lamist post kill cape for this

[EnderWiggin]

I am still ~kinda confident Rask is town. Confidence shaken but not stirred.

Vote: Visor

Honestly don't have a super big scumread on Visor myself, but given their still as-of-yet unexplained obsession with getting people to react to me on D1 and Rask+Waza being here I'm willing to entertain it for now while I stare balefully in Maple's general direction.

[EnderWiggin]

Sunbae Town + I kinda agree on Cape unpairing and I townread 2 of the 3 people Sunbae suggested = Cape is probably just town.

(Yes I already had Cape as probably town and I'm re-iterating it with different reasons shush)

[EnderWiggin]

Actually Visor's obsession with poking people in my direction might just be a strong wolftell. There was the other game where they wolfed recently and we D1'd em where they had this aggro on me for 0 reason.

[EnderWiggin]

Weirdly enough I think ender doing trump roleplay is Wolfy for him

Someone who saw our recent hydra game and then decided to use that schtick as a way to subconsciously ingratiate themself into a player list of both Rask and me v

Like yes it is a 'meme' but it's a targeted meme thats meant to ward off ppl who would usually sniff him out

vote: ender

:fuel:

Okay nevermind this isn't as similar as I wanted it to be. Nyeh.

[EnderWiggin]

gonna be real, don't really think village raskol thinks it is a bright idea to kill nl who actually made posts (and some of those posts were pretty good @GeneralHankerchief)

i get not liking my read progression or whatever the kids call it these days but i think your personal dislike of my read doesn't make it wolfy - lack of understanding seems to be my undoing a lot these days which is frustrating but it isn't like i can become a different person in that respect (nor would i want to)

even going into today, theres no thought process behind it, its just 'kill visor' which is the kind of thing you post (similar to how he did at eod) when its not about actually putting the game together, but just about pushing your wincon forward

i would like to think that village raskol would be both cautious and optimistic about my alignment, because its generally enjoyable to work together but i don't really think he has said anything that really approximates that kind of process

its sad, i have a sentimental streak about wolfreading friends, but sometimes they go mask off like that and i guess it just cuts out lol

don't think he could've painted the words IM A WOLF anymore clearly to me than his eod (maybe esp given logic flipping v)

Rask has absolutely gone aggressive vote on you before as town with not a ~lot of reasoning.

The game I just posted a quote from Rask was pushing you pretty heavily on D1 (And was the first person to really start a wagon on you that game).

In fact iirc Rask's carelessly aggressive pushing is more aligned with his towngame than wolfgame?

[EnderWiggin]

Also Lissa might be my second biggest sus after re-reading eod.

There's a lot of wishywashy ending in a lame vote on Logic. And the 'agonising' over who to sus doesn't really feel like it's going anywhere. Maybe will feel diff after they enter D2 but this is worthy of a

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 370 through 427

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Visor	EnderWiggin (6), Raskolnikov (9), waza (1)
2	Raskolnikov	Sunbae (13), Visor (14)
6	Not Voting	Cape90 (9), Jan (0), Lissa (0), Logic (0), Maple (3), ladd (1)

[ladd]

vote:lissa

[ladd]

I kinda dont think visor is a wolf now

But i dont think rask is a wolf either (more strongly so)

Not sure if them being v/v works out tho lol

[waza]

gonna be real, don't really think village raskol thinks it is a bright idea to kill nl who actually made posts (and some of those posts were pretty good @GeneralHankerchief)

i get not liking my read progression or whatever the kids call it these days but i think your personal dislike of my read doesn't make it wolfy - lack of understanding seems to be my undoing a lot these days which is frustrating but it isn't like i can become a different person in that respect (nor would i want to)

even going into today, theres no thought process behind it, its just 'kill visor' which is the kind of thing you post (similar to how he did at eod) when its not about actually putting the game together, but just about pushing your wincon forward

i would like to think that village raskol would be both cautious and optimistic about my alignment, because its generally enjoyable to work together but i don't really think he has said anything that really approximates that kind of process

its sad, i have a sentimental streak about wolfreading friends, but sometimes they go mask off like that and i guess it just cuts out lol

don't think he could've painted the words IM A WOLF anymore clearly to me than his eod (maybe esp given logic flipping v)

How does logic flipping v make it look worse for rask?

Ngl rask is probs the person I’m least likely to vote today (maybe that doesn’t mean much given how little I’ve read so I’m not very confident or attached to my reads)

But yeah feels like villa rask, and I like to think I have a pretty decent read on him, I’m sure if there is someone better it would be u at reading him I may reconsider if I ever come around to u being v, but even then it might be a tough sell ngl. Do u really think w!rask would really expose themselves as you say to push you here? Why not just NK you? Why not just push someone like me instead when I have barely any presence and nobody would blame him for being wrong me (heck even I wouldn’t blame him). Why do u think he would bother to push a v!visor who is present and posting as you say

@Visor

[waza]

I kinda dont think visor is a wolf now

But i dont think rask is a wolf either (more strongly so)

Not sure if them being v/v works out tho lol

Okay imma ride with u still even if the NK is weird lmao

Kinda agree with this sentiment cos at first I thought visors reaction to rask today was outting but then after the wall I can possibly see a v/v angle, even if I’m not really sold on visor being town yet

[ladd]

Ill play the unonrrverse card and say that the one thing that lings me about visor is their push on maple. It almost feels w/w eheh


Anyway i ll sheep sunbae for a bit and see what happens

[waza]

I am still ~kinda confident Rask is town. Confidence shaken but not stirred.

Vote: Visor

Honestly don't have a super big scumread on Visor myself, but given their still as-of-yet unexplained obsession with getting people to react to me on D1 and Rask+Waza being here I'm willing to entertain it for now while I stare balefully in Maple's general direction.

Why is me being on the wagon a good sign lol? Do you have me as town? (Sorry if u posted this somewhere d1 I likely haven’t gone over those posts yet)

[waza]

Okay imma ride with u still even if the NK is weird lmao

Kinda agree with this sentiment cos at first I thought visors reaction to rask today was outting but then after the wall I can possibly see a v/v angle, even if I’m not really sold on visor being town yet

And yes funnily enough this is a me coded night kill and part of me wondered if you were doing what I did to you last game as revenge but realised u probs don’t care for stuff like that and ur read on me this game doesn’t reflect that either lol

[waza]

Rest of Enders posts today are okay enough

Anyone have a read on Jan? Probs another slot whose posts I didn’t read yesterday because of timing not aligning with mine

[EnderWiggin]

Why is me being on the wagon a good sign lol? Do you have me as town? (Sorry if u posted this somewhere d1 I likely haven’t gone over those posts yet)

Yes I had you as lightly town so far lol. I forget what for but it was kinda early d1.

I probably shouldn't hold that static but I'mma be real I cannot remember anything you did after first half of day1

[EnderWiggin]

I also cannot remember what you did before halfway through D1 but I townread it kinda so that works for me.

[EnderWiggin]

Rest of Enders posts today are okay enough

Anyone have a read on Jan? Probs another slot whose posts I didn’t read yesterday because of timing not aligning with mine

I had Jan as wolfy. They kinda misrepped me in a "defend Maple but not directly" way that kinda felt paired but idk if I'm reading too much into it.

It was this whole "How does Ender do this to Maple?!??!?"

[EnderWiggin]

Is it bad that I remember the reasons I have for wolfreading people better than my reason for townreading you waza

[waza]

Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it

Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here

Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him

[waza]

Yes I had you as lightly town so far lol. I forget what for but it was kinda early d1.

I probably shouldn't hold that static but I'mma be real I cannot remember anything you did after first half of day1

It’s because I did nothing, similar to the first half of the day so I’m curious where u read came from if u can check back to explain it to me

[waza]

Is it bad that I remember the reasons I have for wolfreading people better than my reason for townreading you waza

Not unless ur not town because u somehow stumbled into a correct read for probably wrong reasons but hey it works for the both of us lol so I can’t complain

[waza]

Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it

Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here

Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him

That being said I did find it minutely towny when sunbae made the comment that they wouldn’t be surprised if their reads are flipped outside down, and also the vote on rask might be TWTBAW if rask is v since I can’t imagine a wolf wanting to push him in that world without first being backed into a corner to do so out of omgus. But maybe I’m just projecting what my mindset would be in me w!worlds and v!rask, feels like trying to push brad into an EM lobby, I don’t see it working unless ur specifically playing into the TWTBAW angle

[EnderWiggin]

Mmmmm.

This is a lot of not accurate stuff. Rask has been busy as town or wolf and it rarely impacts how he goes about the next game. I do like this read even tho I think it's silly.

Waza can be a lil bit green.

Oh yeah it was kinda dumb. I found it.

... This probably doesn't hold water anymore tbh. It was a weak daystart read about a process that felt more town!waza coded but honestly I do not at all hold it difficult for wolf!waza to have made the read.

@waza

Hi how do you read me. I remember you had a ~reasonable grasp on my playstyle comparative to the average player. And I remember my best reads on you came from your treatment of me and how you went about reading me.

You've made vague statements about me being "okay" so far, do you have any specific posts or thoughts of mine you feel are more in line with my town/wolf play specifically?

[waza]

Don’t see myself voting rask or cape today

Probs not ladd unless he starts posting howlers

Everyone else I suppose is fair game

[waza]

Oh yeah it was kinda dumb. I found it.

... This probably doesn't hold water anymore tbh. It was a weak daystart read about a process that felt more town!waza coded but honestly I do not at all hold it difficult for wolf!waza to have made the read.

@waza

Hi how do you read me. I remember you had a ~reasonable grasp on my playstyle comparative to the average player. And I remember my best reads on you came from your treatment of me and how you went about reading me.

You've made vague statements about me being "okay" so far, do you have any specific posts or thoughts of mine you feel are more in line with my town/wolf play specifically?

Tbh not really much depth to my read on u or anyone I tr, just vibes

I could easily see myself turning on you in v!visor and v!lissa worlds since u seem to be playing into that so far, though not sure who your teammates would be in that case lol. U seemed to sus Jan which I suppose doesn’t totally rule out w/w but also isn’t my immediate reaction either. U work with sunbae and maple maybe ig

[waza]

So yeah tldr ur probs the middle man who seems tonally okay and i will judge based on how flips go

If visor lissa jan is wolf heavy then that’s favorable for you, if its very villa heavy then you might be in trouble or at the very least will require a more closer reading

[Raskolnikov]

Rask has absolutely gone aggressive vote on you before as town with not a ~lot of reasoning.

The game I just posted a quote from Rask was pushing you pretty heavily on D1 (And was the first person to really start a wagon on you that game).

In fact iirc Rask's carelessly aggressive pushing is more aligned with his towngame than wolfgame?

Tout a fait. (Yes, its true. And visor knows it. Yet he is here posting nonsense and pinging GH to make him smile out of his meme posts. We are supposed to tr that. Right.)

[Raskolnikov]

Visor I dont really know what you saw in my eod. I explained why I was voting you (ie 2 meh cases on Cape, cases that I didnt feel you believed in them, and the way you turnarounded), but you just shrugged it and now are using it to push me.

If I had to sum up for the class, I dont feel you are trying to figure out people alignment. You are just pushing people, waoting for a case to take off.