Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 2 - Votes from post 370 through 480

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	Lissa	Jan (4), Raskolnikov (18)
2	Raskolnikov	Sunbae (13), Visor (16)
2	Visor	EnderWiggin (11), waza (14)
1	Jan	ladd (9)
4	Not Voting	Cape90 (9), Lissa (9), Logic (0), Maple (4)

[Visor]

They aren't doing anything unless they get attention

It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo

Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur

And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about

Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something

Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home

[Jan]

It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo

Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur

And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about

Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something

Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home

Ladd is in the weird position where I think he could be a wolf, but there is no point in pushing him today, when he is mostly gone for this phase.
The n1 kill makes me think Ladd will be alive for a while, and we can talk about him when he is back.

I agree with waza that sunbae might be someone to look at if you are a villager (or rather if rask/you is v/v).
I don't have a strong read on you, but I rarely read you these days. You either find a wolf and die at night or don't find a wolf and die during the day.

I don't think this game has a lot of "counter culture" simply because most people could still be wolves and reads are fairly soft.

[Lissa]

Actually Visor's obsession with poking people in my direction might just be a strong wolftell. There was the other game where they wolfed recently and we D1'd em where they had this aggro on me for 0 reason.

does the /way/ he did it seem similar?

i don't really read him as like weirdly obsessed with you or honestly /obsessed/ with you at all idk if i'm remembering poorly but he talked about like a lot of other stuff i feel like. so i don't totally get this

[Lissa]

Also Lissa might be my second biggest sus after re-reading eod.

There's a lot of wishywashy ending in a lame vote on Logic. And the 'agonising' over who to sus doesn't really feel like it's going anywhere. Maybe will feel diff after they enter D2 but this is worthy of a

idk what agonising you are talking about, i don't remember agonising lol

i didn't want to kill maple, i kinda liked a couple of her posts

i thought visor was a villa

i had a decent few people i thought were villas so killing someone ~rand seemed fine and i didn't have an alternative i really liked with any confidence to be interested to push

[waza]

I’m less willing to vote Jan now than I was earlier in the phase after their recent stint of posts

But not willing enough to put them in town list yet

[Lissa]

Entertaining the visor/rask v/v worlds some more since my mind is now on it

Kinda think sunbae looks worse in this hypothetical, not sure I really understand their reasoning for not pushing me today and obviously in a visor/rask v/v world it’s easy to see agenda in that they can just pursue keeping these two at odds against each other whilst shelving me as a push later on in the game. Like they haven’t really indicated any real reason to not push me today so I’m not sure I buy why they wanna give me more space especially since they’re not really trying to prod me to try and squeeze something AI from me to try and find me here

Also not a fan for how convoluted their cape read is, seems like there’s too many unnecessary layers to it. Feels like it should just be as simple as saying cape is posting like a villa so he’s probs just a villa. Don’t really see the need to build hypothetical wolf teams to try and use that to clear cape off. But maybe that’s just a difference in playstyle and me finding cape to be more obvious than others may find him

i kinda think visor/rask v/v is the world i think

idt the cape partners thing is that unreasonable tbh, not sure about the rest need to relook at ig

[Jan]

I’m less willing to vote Jan now than I was earlier in the phase after their recent stint of posts

But not willing enough to put them in town list yet

don't worry, chief. we'll get there!

Just for me to stab you in the back and vote you out when you least expect it!

[Lissa]

idk i reread sunbae and he feels like a villager lol

i think jan's probably just a wolf

vote: jan

i have no idea who i think the others are, really

i know there's probably too many people i don't think they are!

[Lissa]

vote: jan

nobody saw that

anyway i'll talk about this more after sleep

[Sunbae]

hmmm, i suppose its time to play a little werewolf so ima go read the thread in full

[Sunbae]

Read thread.

1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan



I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.

I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.

[Raskolnikov]

It hurts to post it but Visor might be villa. I have tasked myself with being a good team player so I wont push it anyway against the thread (unless I can punt him at eod ).

Its more POE than anything else but I think lissa still has wolf equity. Maple too since they have been idle from game start basically (outside some post about Ender).

Ender I feel good about, might be teinted by the fact they have a correct read on me... cannot parse it vetween tmi or just good villaging... still unlikely to go there for now.

Sunbae meh, some posts are good but I have not reached the level of confidence I had in the last game we played together (vigging Visor is a towntell though, it doesnt count), but it might be a volume problem.

No change about waza/ladd for me, still town heh.

I know I am tring a wolf so I am just going to focus on voting coreectly toDay, tinfoil tmr.

[Raskolnikov]

Lol what a useless post I made. Ok foegot about Cape. Cape villa

[Raskolnikov]

Read thread.

1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan



I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.

I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.

Dont because ur wrong.

Anyway, walk me through your pairings pls. Just seem random to me. (Me / Mapoule? Wat?)

[Maple]

Read thread.

1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan



I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.

I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.

idk if me and rask have interacted at all this gmae is this like a vibes thing or what

[Sunbae]

idk if me and rask have interacted at all this gmae is this like a vibes thing or what

It's a gamestate thing yeah. Here let me write a post thats way too long for a small chill game because i have free time, gimmie a few

[Raskolnikov]

It's a gamestate thing yeah. Here let me write a post thats way too long for a small chill game because i have free time, gimmie a few

Just for clarification, and considering the reads I just post, I understand u could come up with waza/ladd/me as a team... its just the pairing with Maple which was smh surprising... i am prolly going off soon bit Ill engage with ir subsequent posts l8r.

(Not mentionnong I am surprised in the bad sense that u cannot find me town here but heh, will see how it colors my read)

[Raskolnikov]

Anyway, su in 8 hours :hatsoff:

[Visor]

Read thread.

1 wolf in Ladd/Ender
1 wolf in Maple/Rask
1 wolf in Waza/Lissa/Jan



I have Visor/Cape as my villagers.

I currently lean the wolf team being Ladd/Rask/Waza but that's more just a shot in the dark. I feel pretty great about the wolf groupings though.

Why only one in Ladd ender

What do you make of ladds switch off from ender

[Visor]

Rask if you are still around can you give me a bit more on ender and ladd

[Sunbae]

1. I do not think Rask and Visor are wolves together. Even with the early Rask vote on Visor which could be early w/w theater, the pressure has continued into the second day goes in both directions. Specifically I think visors post about Rask where he says he went “mask off” locks in it as not w/w. Note this is also the first post of visors that made me realize he was likely just a villager (probs the vilalgeriest post in the thread). Rask also has a post in #320 where he cases visor and uses visors case on Waza being bad (which wasn't Visors case, it was mine) that looks earnest in its attempt to kill Visor.

2. The way Raskol defends Maple in #221 (“maple was just lacking at the time”) in an effort to shade Enders vote on Maple was something I noted. Rask also had a post in #241 pairing up Lissa/Maple as “coordinated” and then again in #262 calling the wolf team Ender/Lissa/Maple and yet again in #299 asking Ladd “why logic instead Maple” to vote. The ways that Rask is shading Maple in some posts and defending in others strikes me as something unpaired because to me Rask would be consistent with either defending or shading, not oscillating between the two.

3. As for why I have a Raskol wolf read in general it's a combination of Rask misattributing the case of waza being bad to Visor in an effort to push Visor near eod, being told that wasn't Visor, and then rather than shifting to thinking I'm wolfy then (the author of the Waza case) Rask just changed it to the Cape case from Visor as the reason Visor was wolfy. Additionally, I thought the shift from “why logic instead of maple” to #337's post about thinking Logic's behaviour is more likely to come from a wolf than not. What changed between #299 to #337? On top of that, I am a sucker for listening to people who just flat out say “hey this person is my friend but they are obviously wolfing to me” the way Visor did about calling Rask going mask off.

4. Shifting over to Ender, we have Ender doing a catchup stint and going at Vanta into Maple. This gets sponged by Cape who goes on to call Ender too sloppy to be a wolf and Ladd who says he thought Ender was fine but then reread the posts and wow they are so wolfy. Which brings me to my one in Ladd/Ender feelings. Ladd's comments about Ender came after a couple of other people (visor, cape) were discussing Ender. Either a.) Visor and Ladd both found Enders posts extremely wolfy which I want to focus on and give credit to or b.) Ladd saw Visor and Cape shading Ender and wanted to poke that along. I find it unlikely that villager Ender and villager Ladd exist in this situation because Ender is pinging multiple people who play a lot with him if Visor/Cape/Ladd are villa and would likely be a wolf if so, but I also don't think villager Ender gets pinged by those 3 if they are pure either. Given that I think Visor and Cape are villagers, this brings me to Ladd/Ender having a wolf between them. Yes I know Cape was calling Ender villagery but it was because it was too wolfy/sloppy to be a wolf and I'm still counting it.

5. I talked earlier about why I think Cape is a villager so I wont rehash that one right now. It's not a lock (nothing in a game where people are posting less than 30 times is a lock) but I feel good about it for where we're at.

7. In the event that Ender is a wolf, I do not think Maple is. In the event that Rask is a wolf, I don't think Lissa is. Just two small things between those groups.

8 . I've talked in depth about Waza (also idk if I mentioned it but I've seen the “double voter” thing done in both alignments by Waza so that didn't move the needle). I think there's a solid chance of wolf there but I also think there is for Lissa and Jan there too. Only room for one though if my Ender/Ladd pair and my Rask/Maple pair works.

9. The reason I think if rask v then maple w is my general feelings that a.) rasks takes on pushes that i typically think are too early or ~rand end up being right and b.) if rask is a V he was pushing logic, maple, visor at eod and was unable to really get anyone to bite on maple even though people were voting visor and logic at the same time. So when Rask is consistently pushing Maple at eod and can't get anyone to talk about Maple but can get votes on logic/visor then I think its just because maple is a wolf. Now, my current idea is that Rask is a wolf but yeah.



Now I'm not sitting here saying this is airtight. It's day two with low info chop and very few posts. I reserve the right to say “lol nah thats wrong” and yolo elsewhere. But this is the process I came to to land where I'm at with my gamestate stuff.

[Sunbae]

thats not a+ werewolfing but its a solid b i think

and il ltake it if so

[Sunbae]

ive never been one to explain things articulately and i wish i were better at it. feel like it just comes out a bit of a rambling mess every time i try with gaps that make sense to me but not others

newcomb is the GOAT for articulating things on mafia

[Maple]

okay that was more of an answer than i expected nice

i skimmed

eepy

[Sunbae]

okay that was more of an answer than i expected nice

i skimmed

eepy

maple i got enough copies of the wrong ssr this banner (aka not super creek) to make her level 45 and i have 0 super creeks. i want to cry

[Maple]

maple i got enough copies of the wrong ssr this banner (aka not super creek) to make her level 45 and i have 0 super creeks. i want to cry

it happens....

ive heard on the half anniversary we're getting a ssr selector and i think i might use that to just get a copy of super creek to have

[Sunbae]

that will be a big help

[Visor]

maple i got enough copies of the wrong ssr this banner (aka not super creek) to make her level 45 and i have 0 super creeks. i want to cry

man that sucks, i got super lucky today

pulled a creek AND finally got another 3 star (its speed but w/e, that means i can now finally run 18 star horses)

[Visor]

vote: manti

cmon bronana

do something

rask i have read your posts - i will probably respond in the morning

i will sleep on your post as well sunbae - too tired to put into words rn