Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Sunbae]

i appreciate this read but i don't think its something that works for me

That's cool, it might have been badchart like I said haha

[Sunbae]

nah lissa is fine i think

early v read on jan, some pingy stuff that pick up on eod (i think cba to check timing) and then vote them mid d2

very blunt tone this game

holistically you could argue it is going along the line of typical wolf bus given trajectory of read but it doesnt really read that way to me, limited setup in a way that isn't super a->b in an obvious way which i like

My thing with Lissa is that she went to bat for me on good reasons (eod being 8am for me) and then started pushing Jan at a time during eod where it seemed everything was volatile and she had every ability to just let me get wagoned by cape/waza or just not mention Jan and instead she did the opposite. I understand only I can see that as hugely pro villa but I have to clear her I think

[Visor]

jan is a hard to catch wolf on d1 imo, he is very good at emulating his tone (at least to my eyes)

usually catch him later game when he doesn't have his little pet pushes or is more sideline commentary than anything else, though theres plenty of games where hes sideline as villa but he has enough of that spark that you can get there on him even if he gets heat

[Visor]

My thing with Lissa is that she went to bat for me on good reasons (eod being 8am for me) and then started pushing Jan at a time during eod where it seemed everything was volatile and she had every ability to just let me get wagoned by cape/waza or just not mention Jan and instead she did the opposite. I understand only I can see that as hugely pro villa but I have to clear her I think

yeah that was dotting some is and ts for me

i don't think lissa is a wolf and it would have to be a convincing argument to sway me at this point in time. i was already getting there mid d2 onwards

[Sunbae]

jan is a hard to catch wolf on d1 imo, he is very good at emulating his tone (at least to my eyes)

usually catch him later game when he doesn't have his little pet pushes or is more sideline commentary than anything else, though theres plenty of games where hes sideline as villa but he has enough of that spark that you can get there on him even if he gets heat

Part of me is sad at myself that I called Jan a strong villa d1 and pushed Waza cause being wrong feels bad

Part of me is like "yeah but you also did good stuff too like call Vanta and Cape villagers for good reasons stop being hard on yourself"

and then part of me is like "im either playing bad or fine and you know what, either one is ok cause the game has been fun"

[Sunbae]

Let me think for a minute, if I clear Lissa and Visor (raisins ir thread resistance something) and jans shooter, there is just one more slot to clear.

Sounds like a plan?

Lettuce work on finding a villa in maple/sunbee/ladd

Hmmm, did Rask leave out ender because he knew Ender shot

[Sunbae]

probably not but itll be funny to point back to if so

[Visor]

Why am I letting Ender apart I dunno.

Ill wait for the hoody claim before posting more nonsense

this post is weird with teh above tbf

shrug

[Visor]

random aside:

been reading this lately on a whim:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Swords

its an anthology of short stories/novelletes?

quite well put together, some really good stories in there would rec

[Raskolnikov]

this post is weird with teh above tbf

shrug

Nah its just I realised I had let Ender apart staring at the alive player list (maybe because I was leaning town there I dunno)

Anyway, Sunbaes posts feel good toDay, just the level of thinking and openmindness I expect from their town play.

As for considering a wolf!Ender gambit, i dont think its worth considering just now (but anyway everything looks covered in Visor/Sunbae posts)

Back to slanking. (Ngl, I hope its just Maple/Ladd, will reeval when ladd comes back)

[Raskolnikov]

Note the timestamp Visor btw, I didnt react to your post, we crossposted (maybe its less weird then? Dunno)

[Raskolnikov]

Also Visor, factors in the fact I was hooded by Vanta and there was just one kill N1. I mean with my thread position its just a loosing gambit from wolf!me compared to getting another villager killed.

[Raskolnikov]

Now apero time. Ciao

[Visor]

Also Visor, factors in the fact I was hooded by Vanta and there was just one kill N1. I mean with my thread position its just a loosing gambit from wolf!me compared to getting another villager killed.

fair enough

[Lissa]

I'm trying to decide is this is a badchart.jpg read or a good observation but my initial take reading today is Rask coming in with a post about using my wall to say ender wolf and one of ladd/maple when the wolves know for a fact that ender killed jan is >>>rand villa for Rask. If rask is a wolf either Raskwolf knows villa Ender is gonna be clear so starting the day with Enderwolf makes little sense or Rask/Ender are together in one of the ploys I talked about in which case the plan is to send Ender deep and starting the day with Enderwolf makes no sense.

I also am making the note that Waza specifically thought I was wolfy in part because I couldn't get to Raskvilla and waza thought it was so obvious that it was weird I couldn't.

honestly, i had the opposite thought of him having left ender out of the one list because he knew

idk that i want to put real weight in it, and his posting at sod felt pretty real, but i def have been thinking about it some

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 680 through 765

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	EnderWiggin (11), Raskolnikov (23), Visor (27)
4	Not Voting	Lissa (11), Maple (1), Sunbae (12), ladd (0)

[ladd]

Sorry i had no connection. Will be around in 10ish hours

[ladd]

I am looking at d2 wagons and uh why isnt visor just a wolf

Mislunching waza there is a crime afaict

Lissa i have vague recollection being not paired with jan

[Lissa]

i dont really think sunbae/ladd are w/w for incredibly silly reasons

you are right ~75% of the time with that approach.

Not your biggest achievement, chief.

which was a thought i had before this post but this post would also make it funny if it was the case lol

but also fits with it not being

[Lissa]

I am looking at d2 wagons and uh why isnt visor just a wolf

Mislunching waza there is a crime afaict

Lissa i have vague recollection being not paired with jan

tbh waza made a couple of pretty wolfy posts at that eod imo. he for sure shouldn't have gone over though. jan came in and claimed that item super last minute and we all kinda flailed around. i was coming back to waza being a villa even pre claim but didn't really know where to go, shoulda just committed on jan bc really the timelines where he actually used it and died as a wolf were not that high chance

i shoulda moved somewhere else than waza earlier tho

anyway

rereading that eod to look at visor posts there and jans last vote is ~mildly interesting

anyway visor felt pretty good in the moment re: jan and in general with how that eod played out

he didn't push on jan at it as hard as i was thinking but

[ladd]

Alrighty, i am still trekking this morning. Ill catch up later and see

Just going off what i remember i think 2 wolves in visor/sunbae/maple and everyone else villa

[Maple]

meow meow

im gonna post tmr afternoon

[Visor]

If I was going to bus Jan.... I'd just bus Jan lol

[Lissa]

meow

let's see if I just kinda look at the larger game picture

3 Maple EnderWiggin (11), Raskolnikov (23), Visor (27)
4 Not Voting Lissa (11), Maple (1), Sunbae (12), ladd (0)

raskol v, visor v

not ender/maple not sunbae/ladd

(to very sporadically continue my reread of the game)

hopw does ender react with "glad we agree on something"

just to turn around and scumread the same post and vote maple based on it.

and all that in reaction to a reaction to the treestump.


Calling out knights readslist is pointless because you know his flip already.
agreeing with that callout just to turn on it does not make it any better.

Not even wolfy because it feels too sloppy to be a wolfplay. Just wrong on every level.

hmm

[Lissa]

If I was going to bus Jan.... I'd just bus Jan lol

ye

was just kinda surprised because it was slightly different from how i remembered/how it felt in the moment

[Lissa]

Yeah I thought about it a bit

There's a few worlds

If w/v

Gave it to villager who is not likely to kill him, or someone they think they convince. Or possibly someone who if they do shoot, is still suspect due to the argument itself, so it doesn't actually clear them if it doesn't work
. If it works great, you survive and get an ally and probably can still get the other fella killed if you die because they didn't kill you. If you die people may suspect that it was w/w setup and still potentially kill them

If w/w
Killed to send deep, or you don't kill and try to align together or something

Banking on ppl thinking killed wolf therefore v

Jan was getting heat but he wasn't outed, and the wolves shot cape and not lissa or me so in that sense it's possible that they weren't playing for Jan to lock die

Jan did village read ender iirc and might've seen it as a way to potentially get both worlds either way

Worth thinking about

yeah there's some possible layers to it

think from a w jan/v ender pov, the candidates are basically ender or raskol right if you want to give it for real, everyone else will just blast you i think

honestly, giving it to a villager there is REALLY bold. we'd have gone into mylo if that kill didn't go off on him; that kill actually bought us a miskill. (well. yeah i mean like. there's another one of those things out there. not even sure if it's optimal to use tn? i mean if we hit maybe, if we miss it's an interesting q. anyway)

i mean i think he was obv gonna die today if not last night

so like it's high risk high reward and honestly doesn't really feel that high reward, lol, i'm hard pressed to believe it accomplishes a lot

i mean if he actually lives mylo obviously that's big upside but idk why he would think it was likely there tbh

i had the thought of them giving it to cape and then just having ender fakeclaim it if the kill goes off and not if it doesn't and try to use it as a vouch from the dead villa but giving cape that shot seems questionable i can't imagine that lives the night in many worlds lol and giving it to ender w of that world just makes a lot more sense, more control over the outcome with no clear downside relative to giving to cape i can see

wait oh i will say actually

no i'm wrong just there because genuinely giving it to another wolf is a GAMBLE, you could also get yourself killed too lol

so in the w/w world the shot probably was actually done by cape

although, it feels reasonably possible the wolves have /some/ sort of bomb investigation honestly

also it's weird for the wolves to kill into their target of it bc it could waste kp if jan was a bomb (obv we know this not to be true now but)

[Lissa]

deja vu is such a strange sensation

[Visor]

meow meow

im gonna post tmr afternoon

[Visor]

ye

was just kinda surprised because it was slightly different from how i remembered/how it felt in the moment

when jan claimed it seemed self resolving to me, either he gives it out and most likely dies (or dies the next day), or doesn't give it out and dies the next day, theres very little room to ever live at that point barring a massive turnaround in posting

he wasn't 'outed' but its hard to see a path for him to survive post that point

i probably should've listened when waza talked about working with me to kill maple, but i thought he had good wolf equity and his posts at that eod had a wolfy self focus

[Visor]

until ladd or maple posts something of substance i don't think i have anything left to say.

both seem like wolves and everyone else seems like villas