Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[ladd]

until ladd or maple posts something of substance i don't think i have anything left to say.

both seem like wolves and everyone else seems like villas

I wont be home for a while still (and may be too exausted to read the thread until tomorrow morning anyway)

But why would i be a wolf lol


I voted jan twice more than i would have if we were w/w. Why would i care to shade/vote him d1 and leave with my vote on him d2 when just villareading him would be the easiest thhing in the world



Also look no offense to anyone but waza getting mislunched in the 1 day i wont be able to be around seems incredibly sketchy

[Visor]

I wont be home for a while still (and may be too exausted to read the thread until tomorrow morning anyway)

But why would i be a wolf lol


I voted jan twice more than i would have if we were w/w. Why would i care to shade/vote him d1 and leave with my vote on him d2 when just villareading him would be the easiest thhing in the world



Also look no offense to anyone but waza getting mislunched in the 1 day i wont be able to be around seems incredibly sketchy

explain to me who else it is then?

rask? i'll listen
sunbae? i'll listen
ender? hell I will listen

show me

[ladd]

explain to me who else it is then?

rask? i'll listen
sunbae? i'll listen
ender? hell I will listen

show me

Its not rask or lissa from what i read back

Ender i thought was clear but ngl reading eod i am not as sure

Why wouldnt sunbae be a wolf with his d1 clear of jan? I have yet to read his big d2 posts but i dont see why it cant be him

Just doesnt seem like u are looking at all angles like yiu usually do as a villager. Saying its me/maple seems pretty lazy iyam given i just afked a dayphase and maple is maple

Dunno friendo

(With that being said i am still travelling for some hours still so ill do my work when i m back before eod and give myself the right to change my mind kn anything i have said today )

[Visor]

Its not rask or lissa from what i read back

Ender i thought was clear but ngl reading eod i am not as sure

Why wouldnt sunbae be a wolf with his d1 clear of jan? I have yet to read his big d2 posts but i dont see why it cant be him

Just doesnt seem like u are looking at all angles like yiu usually do as a villager. Saying its me/maple seems pretty lazy iyam given i just afked a dayphase and maple is maple

Dunno friendo

(With that being said i am still travelling for some hours still so ill do my work when i m back before eod and give myself the right to change my mind kn anything i have said today )

whats up with enders eod?

sunbae could totally be a wolf - if you make the argument i will listen. i thought he posted well d2 (and i'm not sure ive seen him post those walls as a wolf LOL)

also i think that big post is probably an important post to read lol

i sympathise with his reaction to village reading jan and feeling like he should've got there earlier but i do think that jan is a hard wolf to catch early so i might be putting my perspective too much into his then

i think he has posted better than you, frankly

rask is possible but i think now i have cooled my jets on him a little i think he is just having a shocker given how he has posted this day phase and i don't get the impression he is faking having a bad game, but ymmv on that read

[Visor]

you also v read jan d1 lol

such a weird argument to make

why does your v read not matter but his does?

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 680 through 785

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	EnderWiggin (11), Raskolnikov (23), Visor (34)
4	Not Voting	Lissa (17), Maple (2), Sunbae (12), ladd (5)

[ladd]

you also v read jan d1 lol

such a weird argument to make

why does your v read not matter but his does?

Idt they are the same thing - i clearly expressed doubt on jan, voted him d1, shaded him after he came back when he told me he would out me in my place or after he was done with the dentist or something like that. I cba to read back but my d1 v read on jan was mostky based on me liking sunbae and sheeping him iirc

(And ended with my vote there d2)

God knows i have v read wolves d1 a thousand times bit if i was a wolf woth jan v reading him like sunba edid is what id do


Also idk friendo you are the one stating me/maple is a wolf and everyone else is a villager confidently bit i feel like in the past you put players like benneh/sunbae through much more work before stating stuff like that so easily when they have been wrong

Shrug.jpg

Reminds me of your weird confidence on maple being a wolf (which they may very well be, just i usually dont see u say stuff like that to a player like maple)

[Visor]

I know i said id sheep sunbae on jan but his posting seems a bit too commentary mode to me

The posts themselves are fine, just feel he is kinda sidelining a bit

Waza/cape/rask vvv

Jan/sunbae vv

Ender/lissa/vanta v

Logic/maple/visor w

Done i solved the game

Idt they are the same thing - i clearly expressed doubt on jan, voted him d1, shaded him after he came back when he told me he would out me in my place or after he was done with the dentist or something like that. I cba to read back but my d1 v read on jan was mostky based on me liking sunbae and sheeping him iirc

(And ended with my vote there d2)

God knows i have v read wolves d1 a thousand times bit if i was a wolf woth jan v reading him like sunba edid is what id do


Also idk friendo you are the one stating me/maple is a wolf and everyone else is a villager confidently bit i feel like in the past you put players like benneh/sunbae through much more work before stating stuff like that so easily when they have been wrong

Shrug.jpg

Reminds me of your weird confidence on maple being a wolf (which they may very well be, just i usually dont see u say stuff like that to a player like maple)

thats definitely true, but theres also games where i just v read players like yall and never look back

there was some game recently i townread and hard defended you and sunbae despite pushes to the contrary and people trying to get yall killed (a mash?)

in part i think maple is a wolf because they just aren't doing anything villagery (or at all, really)

[Visor]

ya you did shade jan a bit, but its not anything that says oh yall have to be unaligned

its just regular posting

i have given you specifically a hard time this game (and i still think your ender stuff is weird man)

and rask

sunbae admittedly i have not, but mostly because i've found his posts to be generally pretty good, i just dont see a point in saying so because he isn't in any danger (and if im wrong i don't look bad lol)

[Visor]

explain to me why maple is v, if you think that?

[ladd]

explain to me why maple is v, if you think that?

I dont, i just didnt get where the confidence came from d1 when u pushed them and it pjnged me as w/w tbh

Now thinking they are a wolf is more underdtandsble from poe

Just feel like u are lacking a bit in exploration

Sorry gotta run now

[Visor]

ladd, if you can go into detail on ender and sunbae i would appreciate it

[Visor]

I dont, i just didnt get where the confidence came from d1 when u pushed them and it pjnged me as w/w tbh

Now thinking they are a wolf is more underdtandsble from poe

Just feel like u are lacking a bit in exploration

Sorry gotta run now

its mostly that i feel they are only popping in to survive - even on d1 they weren't posting anything of actual substance

manti can as both alignemnts post word salads (see like 4/5 of their recent games on the org, particularly the village ones where they are like oh i am doing a new playstyle learning how to village again etc) and i think in one they got niked n1

i like to think (at least back in the day) i was actually pretty good at reading manti - (lol my recent game with them but yolo i love fake claims sometimes)

if i look at it from an outside perspective, they just aren't doing anything to solve the game and i know they are capable of playing like that as a wolf in part (and this is an awful argument but w/e) i played a turbo against them pregame in which they pretty much had the same playstyle of not really saying anything - they might post a random comment/go for some tonal play but theres nothing actually there

and its not like pretending but its fake, its just nothing

i think if manti was a villager even on d1 we wouldve seen more garden pathing or something that isnt just lissa defend me

i just think if they were a villager there would be an attempt even if it sucked and i never felt like there was an attempt even on d1 so it just seemed like they were a wolf to me

[Visor]

yeah tbh i dont reaaaally know where to go like most people sound at minimum decent

and i have a few people i dont really mind saying "sure they seem well enough" but i dont really have a spot of confidence at all

not to mention the EoD kicks my ass cause i cant even like show up to sheep people smh

well, maybe i will tmr actually cause i may or may not be up early

nyaaa

so anyway, i actually have ideas of setup spec and think a world of 2 is technically possible and that potentially whoever it wasw that talked about all that shit TMId that but that would be a bit of a cowboy read i thinks

cmon man this is rubbish

[Visor]

yeah tbh i dont reaaaally know where to go like most people sound at minimum decent

and i have a few people i dont really mind saying "sure they seem well enough" but i dont really have a spot of confidence at all

not to mention the EoD kicks my ass cause i cant even like show up to sheep people smh

well, maybe i will tmr actually cause i may or may not be up early

1. I do not think Rask and Visor are wolves together. Even with the early Rask vote on Visor which could be early w/w theater, the pressure has continued into the second day goes in both directions. Specifically I think visors post about Rask where he says he went “mask off” locks in it as not w/w. Note this is also the first post of visors that made me realize he was likely just a villager (probs the vilalgeriest post in the thread). Rask also has a post in #320 where he cases visor and uses visors case on Waza being bad (which wasn't Visors case, it was mine) that looks earnest in its attempt to kill Visor.

2. The way Raskol defends Maple in #221 (“maple was just lacking at the time”) in an effort to shade Enders vote on Maple was something I noted. Rask also had a post in #241 pairing up Lissa/Maple as “coordinated” and then again in #262 calling the wolf team Ender/Lissa/Maple and yet again in #299 asking Ladd “why logic instead Maple” to vote. The ways that Rask is shading Maple in some posts and defending in others strikes me as something unpaired because to me Rask would be consistent with either defending or shading, not oscillating between the two.

3. As for why I have a Raskol wolf read in general it's a combination of Rask misattributing the case of waza being bad to Visor in an effort to push Visor near eod, being told that wasn't Visor, and then rather than shifting to thinking I'm wolfy then (the author of the Waza case) Rask just changed it to the Cape case from Visor as the reason Visor was wolfy. Additionally, I thought the shift from “why logic instead of maple” to #337's post about thinking Logic's behaviour is more likely to come from a wolf than not. What changed between #299 to #337? On top of that, I am a sucker for listening to people who just flat out say “hey this person is my friend but they are obviously wolfing to me” the way Visor did about calling Rask going mask off.

4. Shifting over to Ender, we have Ender doing a catchup stint and going at Vanta into Maple. This gets sponged by Cape who goes on to call Ender too sloppy to be a wolf and Ladd who says he thought Ender was fine but then reread the posts and wow they are so wolfy. Which brings me to my one in Ladd/Ender feelings. Ladd's comments about Ender came after a couple of other people (visor, cape) were discussing Ender. Either a.) Visor and Ladd both found Enders posts extremely wolfy which I want to focus on and give credit to or b.) Ladd saw Visor and Cape shading Ender and wanted to poke that along. I find it unlikely that villager Ender and villager Ladd exist in this situation because Ender is pinging multiple people who play a lot with him if Visor/Cape/Ladd are villa and would likely be a wolf if so, but I also don't think villager Ender gets pinged by those 3 if they are pure either. Given that I think Visor and Cape are villagers, this brings me to Ladd/Ender having a wolf between them. Yes I know Cape was calling Ender villagery but it was because it was too wolfy/sloppy to be a wolf and I'm still counting it.

5. I talked earlier about why I think Cape is a villager so I wont rehash that one right now. It's not a lock (nothing in a game where people are posting less than 30 times is a lock) but I feel good about it for where we're at.

7. In the event that Ender is a wolf, I do not think Maple is. In the event that Rask is a wolf, I don't think Lissa is. Just two small things between those groups.

8 . I've talked in depth about Waza (also idk if I mentioned it but I've seen the “double voter” thing done in both alignments by Waza so that didn't move the needle). I think there's a solid chance of wolf there but I also think there is for Lissa and Jan there too. Only room for one though if my Ender/Ladd pair and my Rask/Maple pair works.

9. The reason I think if rask v then maple w is my general feelings that a.) rasks takes on pushes that i typically think are too early or ~rand end up being right and b.) if rask is a V he was pushing logic, maple, visor at eod and was unable to really get anyone to bite on maple even though people were voting visor and logic at the same time. So when Rask is consistently pushing Maple at eod and can't get anyone to talk about Maple but can get votes on logic/visor then I think its just because maple is a wolf. Now, my current idea is that Rask is a wolf but yeah.



Now I'm not sitting here saying this is airtight. It's day two with low info chop and very few posts. I reserve the right to say “lol nah thats wrong” and yolo elsewhere. But this is the process I came to to land where I'm at with my gamestate stuff.

read this and see specifically the maple rask stuff at 9

(i am also biased and think that 3 is a v good read)

sunbae sticking to his cape guns has also been good to me

idk man

you gotta show me why hes a wolf

[Sunbae]

I am a bit skeptical after reading that Ladd has gone from "why isnt visor just a wolf" to trying to convince Visor im a wolf without having done a full catchup yet. But! I will say that with Ladds "why isnt visor just a wolf" and Raks being on Visors case for 2+ game days that I will go back and read Visor in isolation for my due diligence. I do suppose that if I say Im a sucker for people wolf reading their friends strongly and pointing to Visor doing so about Rask, then I really should look at it the same way when Rask is doing it too. I think it was just visors language being so direct ("mask off" post) that pulled me to that direction.

[Visor]

I am a bit skeptical after reading that Ladd has gone from "why isnt visor just a wolf" to trying to convince Visor im a wolf without having done a full catchup yet. But! I will say that with Ladds "why isnt visor just a wolf" and Raks being on Visors case for 2+ game days that I will go back and read Visor in isolation for my due diligence. I do suppose that if I say Im a sucker for people wolf reading their friends strongly and pointing to Visor doing so about Rask, then I really should look at it the same way when Rask is doing it too. I think it was just visors language being so direct ("mask off" post) that pulled me to that direction.

he's extremely villagery, handsome and charming

[Sunbae]

i agree! unfortunately historically that hasnt prevented him from being a sneaky sneaky woof tho

[ladd]

I am a bit skeptical after reading that Ladd has gone from "why isnt visor just a wolf" to trying to convince Visor im a wolf without having done a full catchup yet. But! I will say that with Ladds "why isnt visor just a wolf" and Raks being on Visors case for 2+ game days that I will go back and read Visor in isolation for my due diligence. I do suppose that if I say Im a sucker for people wolf reading their friends strongly and pointing to Visor doing so about Rask, then I really should look at it the same way when Rask is doing it too. I think it was just visors language being so direct ("mask off" post) that pulled me to that direction.

Thats not what happened tho friendo

I am arguing why he hasnt given u a deeper look when i expext him to as a villager

(But i also see no reason why you cant be a wolf)

Visor, ill get to it wrt ender/sunbae when i have time to settle down a bit sorry

[Sunbae]

Thats not what happened tho friendo

I am arguing why he hasnt given u a deeper look when i expext him to as a villager

(But i also see no reason why you cant be a wolf)

Visor, ill get to it wrt ender/sunbae when i have time to settle down a bit sorry

ah gotcha

hope the trip was good btw

[ladd]

But also ngl when i skimmed back on todsy and saw you/visor both comjng pretty strongly to a ladd/maple solve it also just gives me bad vibes all around

I understand thinking i could be a wolf given i have been afk all day but there still enuf stuff itt to make you doubt i am a wolf (esp given jan flip). The confidence and lack of exploratiin is what weird me out

Just feel like at least 1 of you 2 is a wolf who is trying to take the path of least resistance tbh


(To be clear, this is not a defense of maple. I am just saying how it looks from my pov)

[ladd]

ah gotcha

hope the trip was good btw

Yea ton of fun thx but sleeping in huts in the mountains for 4 nights is tiring lol

I have washed once in 5 days lol

I am pretty tired

[Visor]

Thats not what happened tho friendo

I am arguing why he hasnt given u a deeper look when i expext him to as a villager

(But i also see no reason why you cant be a wolf)

Visor, ill get to it wrt ender/sunbae when i have time to settle down a bit sorry

i mean heres literally straight up my quotes about both you and sunbae in the STS mash:

"Ladd's a villager imo

I don't understand why they are a wagon "

"@Haru Okumura

Lettuce mason "

"right

ladd is not a wolf
gamer dude could be a wolf but i refuse to kill him d1, and he has had some decent posts
champ is like a villagery rock
apoc is apoc
haru is fine
lend v
rask v
gemma v
yellow v
tchaz yolo v




lissa, yikers pal "

i know its a mash and v different game

but i don't massively tinfoil every game :P

this isn't quite as much as my dya wall from rocks lmao

[Visor]

But also ngl when i skimmed back on todsy and saw you/visor both comjng pretty strongly to a ladd/maple solve it also just gives me bad vibes all around

I understand thinking i could be a wolf given i have been afk all day but there still enuf stuff itt to make you doubt i am a wolf (esp given jan flip). The confidence and lack of exploratiin is what weird me out

Just feel like at least 1 of you 2 is a wolf who is trying to take the path of least resistance tbh


(To be clear, this is not a defense of maple. I am just saying how it looks from my pov)

tell

me

why

maple

is

a

villager

im not even trying to kill you today because i accept i could be wrong there, but i really don't think im wrong on maple

prove it otherwise pal

[Visor]

Yea ton of fun thx but sleeping in huts in the mountains for 4 nights is tiring lol

I have washed once in 5 days lol

I am pretty tired

who would've thought your bathing routine improved eh

[ladd]

tell

me

why

maple

is

a

villager

im not even trying to kill you today because i accept i could be wrong there, but i really don't think im wrong on maple

prove it otherwise pal

I am cool with killing maple, i never once said they are a villager

In fact i agree with you that their post about there being 2 wolves is bad

But even if they are a wolf, i dont think it really matters no? Its just delaying finding the harder wolf to tomorrow which is fine cause i need time lol



If yall think i am a wolf (has anyone said why) then i guess its fineish but i know i am not a wolf so i am solving with taht pov and from my pov the game will be played after maple death


And yes i know i have only been reactive and havent shown much work but like i said that will have to wait until i get home, sleep and have time to sit and read

Being reactive requires much less brain power

[ladd]

i mean heres literally straight up my quotes about both you and sunbae in the STS mash:

"Ladd's a villager imo

I don't understand why they are a wagon "

"@Haru Okumura

Lettuce mason "

"right

ladd is not a wolf
gamer dude could be a wolf but i refuse to kill him d1, and he has had some decent posts
champ is like a villagery rock
apoc is apoc
haru is fine
lend v
rask v
gemma v
yellow v
tchaz yolo v




lissa, yikers pal "

i know its a mash and v different game

but i don't massively tinfoil every game :P

this isn't quite as much as my dya wall from rocks lmao

Sure, i just dont remember you ever not being a bit tinfoily in any normal we ever played together and u were a villager

So again, it just pings me shrug.jpg

Otoh maybr you are trying way harder than this game would require to as a wolf. Idk i will decide tomorrow what I think

[ladd]

There is also waza being mislunched in the one day i am afk

Idk maybe i am egocentric but idt he would ever get mislunched with me around this game (esp with eod time being good for me) and i cant help but feel you ending the day there is wolfy sorry

And then d3 comes around and you/sunbae are handshake.jpg the wolves are maple/ladd, waza wagon was pure, the gui voting the wolf in 3/2 wagons is obviously a wolf, ez game. I hope you can see why it pings me


(I am exagerating ofc, but again i am trying to explain my pov and my reaction)

(Ok gonna conserve the rest of my posts for my re read tomorrow)

[Visor]

Sure, i just dont remember you ever not being a bit tinfoily in any normal we ever played together and u were a villager

So again, it just pings me shrug.jpg

Otoh maybr you are trying way harder than this game would require to as a wolf. Idk i will decide tomorrow what I think

maybe you should read sunbae yourself

[Visor]

There is also waza being mislunched in the one day i am afk

Idk maybe i am egocentric but idt he would ever get mislunched with me around this game (esp with eod time being good for me) and i cant help but feel you ending the day there is wolfy sorry

And then d3 comes around and you/sunbae are handshake.jpg the wolves are maple/ladd, waza wagon was pure, the gui voting the wolf in 3/2 wagons is obviously a wolf, ez game. I hope you can see why it pings me


(I am exagerating ofc, but again i am trying to explain my pov and my reaction)

(Ok gonna conserve the rest of my posts for my re read tomorrow)

that i can understand

i don't really care about your waza argument - i have no idea of any history between you guys

i would read my posts at that eod if you want to get an understanding of where i was at and why i voted where i did, though i think i already explained it today already

i will reread sunbae again i suppose