Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

Actually I should probably reread Ladd myself rather than take the word for it.

Will do that a bit later once work is cleared up.

[EnderWiggin]

I entertained a wolf!Sunbae world earlier today but ngl I'm back at town!Sunbae.

[Lissa]

3. There were multiple instances of her defending Maple against pressure that stood out to me - notably the one that actively says she liked some of Maples posts rather than just the nai defense - and once she started going on Jan she didn't stop for a while only to last second swap to Waza because visor called Jan/Waza w/w??? So one of two things occurred here: 1.) Lissa started the bus on Jan once it was becoming apparent that his time was short (and knowing he was going to give the gun to someone and might be dead anyways) so did so thoroughly and convincing where she quoted multiple Jan posts and read them as the wolfiest interpretation possible. Like 5-6 posts about it in a shortish order and reiterating it with people. Then once another avenue opened up at eod she figured why not get waza if possible. or 2.) She correctly buried a wolf and then got cold feet at eod when he came in and claimed, then voted the other wagon that wasnt someone she was defending (maple).

not really here i'm in mop classic raid (raid tells ) but wanted to clarify rq

1. my like of maples posts was p thin, basically only really brought it up as a tiebreaker over logic effectively

2. i didn't swap to waza because of the w/w read from visor nor as "cold feet", i found a chunk of his eod posting wolfy and thought it was mechanically suboptimal to go jan, i had doubts as it got closer about going waza as he kept posting but was kinda paralyzed and struggling to like be able to discuss it too b/c i was almost out of posts lol.

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 3 - Votes from post 680 through 843

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
3	Maple	EnderWiggin (21), Raskolnikov (23), Visor (54)
4	Not Voting	Lissa (18), Maple (2), Sunbae (29), ladd (13)

[Maple]

nyaaaa

lemme catchup

[Maple]

Aight so I'm DEFINITELY dying, but we're on 7 and there's most likely 2 wolves left, so unless we hit today or people were REALLY convinced I was clear, me dying generally reasonable. Soooooo not much for me to do about that, since I'm guessing im gonna be alone till i go to bed, and i wont be there till the morning. Sad!

Anyway, my major issue here, frankly, is the phase change being at maybe the literal most inconvenient hour for me at all possible. It sort of just is what it is. Nyaaaaa


As far as the *game* goes.

I'm concerned wrt mechfuckery wrt the Jan vigi, tho. Yall are in LyLo starting tmr if I'm understanding the situation correctly, so it IS gonna be relevant tmr.

Don't think it's Ladd. Don't think it's sunbae. Cobalt death in that way feels quite weird? Cause like whyyyy? I mean, it makes me nervous about the mechs is all. Like, Jan *presumably* made the kill?

i mean that puts me where: looking at some combination of lissa/visor and then a chance of ender. I'd have outside odd on rask. Rask can be partner with lissa or visor i think just given how uhhhhhhhhhhhhh bad things have gone for the village. meow.

chat, we're cooked. gl in f5 lmao

[Lissa]

Aight so I'm DEFINITELY dying, but we're on 7 and there's most likely 2 wolves left, so unless we hit today or people were REALLY convinced I was clear, me dying generally reasonable. Soooooo not much for me to do about that, since I'm guessing im gonna be alone till i go to bed, and i wont be there till the morning. Sad!

Anyway, my major issue here, frankly, is the phase change being at maybe the literal most inconvenient hour for me at all possible. It sort of just is what it is. Nyaaaaa


As far as the *game* goes.

I'm concerned wrt mechfuckery wrt the Jan vigi, tho. Yall are in LyLo starting tmr if I'm understanding the situation correctly, so it IS gonna be relevant tmr.

Don't think it's Ladd. Don't think it's sunbae. Cobalt death in that way feels quite weird? Cause like whyyyy? I mean, it makes me nervous about the mechs is all. Like, Jan *presumably* made the kill?

i mean that puts me where: looking at some combination of lissa/visor and then a chance of ender. I'd have outside odd on rask. Rask can be partner with lissa or visor i think just given how uhhhhhhhhhhhhh bad things have gone for the village. meow.

chat, we're cooked. gl in f5 lmao

It's def jank ngl. Eod are only a few people and flow funny as a result. Whole game flows funny lol. Activity periods are weird

Anyway im here, but i feel like so much of this game is like nobody being able to have a full conversation half the time bc of activity windows lmao

[Maple]

3 Maple EnderWiggin (21), Raskolnikov (23), Visor (54)
4 Not Voting Lissa (18), Maple (2), Sunbae (29), ladd (13)


sooooooooooooooooooo

7 alive, someone dying

5

need 3 clears outside myself, i got 2 peopel i doubt, i need +1

nya

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

if we accept the mech it isnt TOO hard, but like what are teh ODDS, ya know?

[Maple]

hi lissa

what're you thinking the team is?

[Lissa]

I rambled a bunch about the jan hood mechs earlier, it's weird

giving it to a villager would be spicy as hell, like it's a free kp for the village (sorta, well depending on the n3 one but) and if you think jan has any real odds to be a wolf at all, you just send it lol

but i mean giving it to a wolf and having them do the kill is also spicy because if jan is a bomb then you kinda get fucked lmaooo

so if you want to "give it to a wolf" you actually want to give it to a nightkill and just fake claiming it unless jan flips bomb which

is

could potentially waste kp if jan bomb

but that's a lower downside obviously lol

i mean maybe you just give it to a villa for this reason and gamba on them not getting cleared because of some of these layers

[Maple]

So, you'd disagree with the decision then?

[Lissa]

hi lissa

what're you thinking the team is?

uhhh.

visor and raskol seem extremely v.

sunbaes pretty villagery, there are a couple of things that sliiiightly weird me out

i need to finish rereading the game to comment on ladd prob

ender, mrg

was kinda weirded he voted me over jan, keep staring at the layers of the whole vig stuff

mmmmm

got a headache zz

i'm not like. particularly convinced you flip wolf but i DEFINITELY don't think i can ever reach a point here where id clear you hard enough for it to ever make sense for you not to die here, esp looking at the rest of the game

game should be good if i can find one more villa in theoryyyy

[Lissa]

So, you'd disagree with the decision then?

wdym

[Lissa]

honestly my brain has been sooo fucked this week im soooooo over it

[ladd]

alrighty, i am here

gonna re read the game real quick (and especially cathc up to d2)


i read sunbae latest posts and honestly i dont think i will be able to find him if he is a wolf lmao

visor otoh

[Maple]

wdym

To give out the gun.

[ladd]

to explain more to visor what my read progressione on ender was (as i remember it at least, honestly i completely disconnected from the game those days trekking that i dont fully remember how i felt about some stuff, which is a weird feeling9

If Vanta is wolf Waza is probably right about Nee which irritates me but I can accept lol.

this like jumped to a conclusion (vanta wolf) and made conclusion from it too quickly. the fact that ender would be irritatde if waza is right based on the assumptions that vanta is a wolf and would spew knights villa just seemed weird to me

Vote: Maple

Vanta could be having a rough start so I'll give em room. I feel like it's easy to pick up on their town thought process eventually (Which then no one understands which is why they get miskilled) so I wanna commit to working that out properly instead of shrug yeeting em.

Also that set of posts from Maple feels bad.tm.

i dont think vanta start was particularly rough and if you thought so...why not give them space from the beginning?

@EnderWiggin

[Lissa]

To give out the gun.

o

uh

if im on a team with jan/not ender here yeah prob

its like... handing the village a free extra kill since we were on evens... and letting the village avoid going to mylo... i don't think that'd be worth "maybe make people worry about ender from that lens but also maybe make people village read them"? seems not fuckin worth lol

[Lissa]

o

uh

if im on a team with jan/not ender here yeah prob

its like... handing the village a free extra kill since we were on evens... and letting the village avoid going to mylo... i don't think that'd be worth "maybe make people worry about ender from that lens but also maybe make people village read them"? seems not fuckin worth lol

i think as a wolf there my stance is always either holster or bury+have someone claim

give to a villa thats not being killed seems way higher loss than gain iyam

[Lissa]

if we werent on day evens or the wolf was a less clear my stance obv is somewhat different

but in jans position and the gamestate there it seems...

[ladd]

Cape/Rask/Sunbae/Waza likely has 0 wolves. Vanta maybe there too but reserving judgement.

I am not going to snap read Ladd because I have no idea if this is opportunistic wolfy Ladd or if it's towny Ladd who wolfreads me randomly. (Last game alone is an example of Ladd calling me "Second wolfiest poster in this thread" while we were v/v)

Visor is visoring tho I'm a lil sketched at their incessant poking of people to read me. Lightest shade of red.

Jan feels wolfy. Maple feels wolfy. Lissa doesn't feel.

I don't know if I forgot someone but I think those are my reads atm.

if maple is a wolf, this is really good. no rule against bussing both of your teammates d1 but it kinda makes me want to rule out maple/ender anyway lol


there is this post made by Jan wrt ender that also slightly pings me as a wolf posting about a villager who did something weird but it's pretty thin:

hopw does ender react with "glad we agree on something"

just to turn around and scumread the same post and vote maple based on it.

and all that in reaction to a reaction to the treestump.


Calling out knights readslist is pointless because you know his flip already.
agreeing with that callout just to turn on it does not make it any better.

Not even wolfy because it feels too sloppy to be a wolfplay. Just wrong on every level.

[Maple]

o

uh

if im on a team with jan/not ender here yeah prob

its like... handing the village a free extra kill since we were on evens... and letting the village avoid going to mylo... i don't think that'd be worth "maybe make people worry about ender from that lens but also maybe make people village read them"? seems not fuckin worth lol

Mhm, it'd take a LOT of raw confidence to do.

[Lissa]

(if i was actually a wolf bussing jan tho im pretty sure i just commit at eod and get SUPER clear for it LMAO) if enders a villager, jan making it thru eod honestly didnt get wolves a whole lot

My thoughts on rask is that like every dead villager had rask as an obvious villager and even alive people are all circling around it (ladd has it strong, ender does too, then visor/lissa are kinda like yeah i want to call rask a wolf but maybe hes just v).

If I look at his posting myself then I do have a few concerns. First, he's had multiple instances of throwing Jan into wolf reads (needs more votes, likes visors callout of jan for the vanta night kill when he was wolfreading jan, if visor villa we need to looks at maple/lissa/jan) but never actually applying any pressure there like he does to maple and lissa in similar spots. Second, I feel like the Vanta kill comes after rask getting to talk to him all night means there could be more than rasks post about their hood chats (that is, vanta gives reads and rask is like oh lets kill him). Third, I feel like the flip flopping on visor is odd in the strength of things. The reasons listed for pushing visor are strong things such as "isnt trying to find peoples alignment", "too proactive for villa visor" but the reasons for backing off are just like "well i hate to admit it but maybe visor is a villa" without anything specific and concrete as a reason to point to for that feeling. Which I find concerning because either you're exaggerating your strength of the wolf read to back off of it for lighter reasons or you're less willing to describe why you're villa reading him rather than wolf reading him. Which both make me go hmmm.

HOWEVER, there are good call outs of jan in there even if they aren't followed up on. There is clear back and forth on visor thoughts. He is trying to get his wolf reads killed and not laying back in commentary mode. He's sticking his neck out into things and bouncing around topics. His strong villa reads seem good.

Gun to head I'm calling him a villager based off of the dead villagers and the fact that I have to elaborately explain ways he could be a wolf while the ways he can be a villager are just "yeah hes playing well as a villager, makes sense"

"then visor/lissa are kinda like yeah i want to call rask a wolf but maybe hes just v"

i wouldn't really say this was the case ftr! i would not say i "wanted to call rask a wolf" at any point today, really. i think he is VERY villagery even when (especially when) he was prodding me at sod i thought that came from a villa >>>>rand, and the only hesitation i think i have had was basically some tinfoil nonsense about that list that didn't include ender slips aren't real etc etc

[Lissa]

Mhm, it'd take a LOT of raw confidence to do.

jan like actually thinking he can talk out of the kill would be kinda wild imo given like the free-ness of the kill, mechanically

and ender WAS wolfreading him just like also me lmao

[Maple]

eh

yeah.

So it's a choice that doesn't make sense to me, is all.

[Lissa]

eh

yeah.

So it's a choice that doesn't make sense to me, is all.

yeeeeeep

im more hmmmmming the more i talk/think about it

[ladd]

When did I ever ask others for a read on you?

If you're gonna come for me actually quote what I did properly like.

Also Maple just latching onto the Cape omgus once Lissa fields it feels like aggro wolfin'. Like they haven't mentioned Cape despite apparently having a mini-case locked and ready to go.

Instead literally 100% of Maple's posts have been "Ender wolf" with no other nuance and then latching onto a second target once Lissa sets the tee up. (If I'm right on this it's also 99% Lissa town because that wolfy-latch-on is not w/w.)

Small footprint wolftell always feels good.

i think around here is when i started to change my read on ender. I liked this read and i think it generally has a good accuracy




man d1 there just wasnt much happening lmao so hard to get read from there evne with the flips so far

i like rask push on visor, i feel like rask as a wolf has a lot of easier pushes to make there, there was no need to put themselves out there to push on visor. I also feel like they believe it and from some posts they made you can see they are thinking about the game in an holistic way and not just tunneling visor

[Lissa]

which definitely has me kind of mrging cause like i do not think you and ender are w/w lmao

[ladd]

Ok Vanta gave me a party gift last night.
Which means I had a hood with them and ability to shot them. I didnt (cant say I didnt tease them though, u know the clown I am), i had a villa read there. They still died.

Something something frame something.

@Vanta Black: there u go! Congrats on eating the N1! (Since u know I could kill u, u know its not me, I am not a wolf, and u still got it... bravo )

oh i forgot this as well

I dont think this comes from a wolf

Doubt i am ever lunching rask

[Lissa]

giving village an extra kill in exchange for arguably just not really being THAT clear is weird too tho ngl