Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
The question that has been plaguing me since sod3 is “why did Jan give the gun to ender” and I haven't been able to figure it out. The missing piece popped into head just now skimming Lissa's earlier post: that she held the parting gift because she was afraid of using it if Maple was a villager and ending the game.

The part about holding the parting gift was the part I initially focused on because it confirmed to me that Jan could have held it and chose not to. Which really blew my mind given the fact that the wolves were about to be going to final 8 with 3 of them alive. That's one mischop left to win in a game where the village was all over the place and Maple was lined up as everyones most likely wolf. Even if Jan holstered it and people wanted to find him as outed for it he still gets chopped and then we kill Maple the next day and lose.

It made no sense to me and I've been going back and forth on it. The part that just clicked for me is that you have to submit your target before end of day. It's a day action.

Well now there becomes a logical option that explains everything. Jan submit the action before Waza died right at the last second via Cape's vote. In fact Jan told us when he submit: Post #649. Of course if Jan dies then his submission doesn't matter. But it matters a whole lot if he lives. Again it gives us a free miskill if he lives.

Unless.

A wolf dies anyways. Well then Jan sending to Ender makes sense because we're about to go to 6/2, NOT 5/3. And one of the two is Jan who just had to claim to save himself and is not long for this world.

The wagons when Jan submit in #649?

3 votes Jan
3 votes Lissa

and then lissa voted elsewhere to put herself in the lead.

Imagine if you will Jan expecting to either die or for Lissa, a teammate, to die. Sending the shot to Ender to go the distance is a hail mary but one that is perfectly logical. It's 6/2, he kills Jan to make 6/1 instead of chopping Jan we chop Maple, 4/1 and a lot of in fighting between ladd/rask/visor/myself. Nobody thinks its weird for Ender to live over any of them at end game. The path is set.

Then, surprise. Waza dies. It's 5/3 now. If we chop Jan next its 4/2. We sleep. Its 3/2 and really tight. Theyve had to make two night kills. Why not just take the sleep out of the way and get the maple chop through? Ender and Lissa are in great shape now if Jan dies (after all, they started bussing each other for after lissa died so they dont look paired).
heres the thing

i was absolutely not in real contention to die at that point

i am absolutely confident that as things stood as of post 649 i was never dying and this was extremely clear inthread

on a concrete level, visor was off wagon and would clearly always go jan over me there

anyway, honestly jan sending in that world makes arguably even less sense because he should look better if i flipped wolf and the fact that it's mechanically correct for the target of that to just kill the user if they don't hard clear them