Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

Ender has eod2 which is pretty terrible otoh

Is it bad that my first response to people repeating this is the trite self-meta that I wouldn't have been that bad as an actual wolf? =P

[ladd]

Is it bad that my first response to people repeating this is the trite self-meta that I wouldn't have been that bad as an actual wolf? =P

Yes cause i have seen u try to save uh i wanna say syn or zelda in exactly that way as a wolf

[ladd]

Tho i have also seen you have eods like that as a villa in your defense

[EnderWiggin]

Yes cause i have seen u try to save uh i wanna say syn or zelda in exactly that way as a wolf

I'm pretty sure my attempted Zelda save involved me hyper-tunnelling another slot which is kinda different =P

Though that was pretty terrible so I guess I'll pay it a lil

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 1114

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Visor	ladd (35)
4	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (25), Lissa (36), Sunbae (52), Visor (22)

Votes are locked.

[Lissa]

sunbaes p1 posts would honestly just be kind of sick if sunbae/ladd were both wolves, lol

this is actually the stupidest read of all time but 52 feels slightly unpaired

If i was a betting man, id out somebucks down that logic will be lunched today

lmao

(not any kind of alignment read, i just thought it was funny)

describing jan as doing obvious villager things at that point was certainly weird

Cape/Rask/Sunbae/Waza likely has 0 wolves. Vanta maybe there too but reserving judgement.

I am not going to snap read Ladd because I have no idea if this is opportunistic wolfy Ladd or if it's towny Ladd who wolfreads me randomly. (Last game alone is an example of Ladd calling me "Second wolfiest poster in this thread" while we were v/v)

Visor is visoring tho I'm a lil sketched at their incessant poking of people to read me. Lightest shade of red.

Jan feels wolfy. Maple feels wolfy. Lissa doesn't feel.

I don't know if I forgot someone but I think those are my reads atm.

we know sunbae/ender not the team, so if enders a wolf that is a very accurate village list lol

and at least squinting at multiple wolves

ofc there is the whole thing where ender didnt actually vote jan when it came down to it

I do agree lissa is prob villa

I dont wanna lunch cape cause i think waza is a villager, he is super good at reading cape and was thinking villa there

Ender second spurt of posts seems fine, i had some problems with the first one but prolly dont care to go there now

Jan/sunbae w/w would be fun and crossed my mind but i think a comment jan made makes me doubt it so ill take jan as v for now as a sheep


I was joking about visor post being too wordy but thr post itself kinda pinged me cause it really seemed to be assumin too much. Idk kinds reminds me of when he opened as a wolf saying me/waza w/w but the explained versione

also potentially a fun post lol

anyway, this was another reason i thought sunbae ladd not w/w and i feel quite good about that now i would say

im sad i rolled over to maple dying lol

also forgot ladd was basically the original reason i wolfread jan, basically brought him into scope

[Lissa]

man imagine the timeline where we just killed jan d1 lol

visor noting multiple pushes on jan separately on separate days as sort of sticking neck out some way or another feels like something readable

Ngl i was expecting jan to put me back in my place after he came back full of meds from the dentist

I am a bit disappointed

mildly unpaired post?

eod1 vc was kinda funny

the more of visor's posts about rask i read the more.. mm

ender did have some kinda unpairedish stuff with jan, looking back to d1 cause i wanted to look at ender/visor more closely than i had the first time i reread it here

I am still ~kinda confident Rask is town. Confidence shaken but not stirred.

Vote: Visor

Honestly don't have a super big scumread on Visor myself, but given their still as-of-yet unexplained obsession with getting people to react to me on D1 and Rask+Waza being here I'm willing to entertain it for now while I stare balefully in Maple's general direction.

i was wondering about this and how it relates to the chance of them being paired but visor being obsessed with people reacting to ender d1 honestly just seems like an exaggeration

[Visor]

It's a relief to know I wasn't insane, got that read right at least

I'll be around tonight to go through everything

[ladd]

I was thinking if ender killed jan as w/w, he risked being poisoned technically no? I guess the only option would be that cape killed jan and ender claimed the kill

[ladd]

Ill be afk until morning probably

Tomorrow is also my birthday (30 is coming) so i dont know how much ill be around but i will def pop in

[Visor]

I'll be home in about an hour half if anyone (Ladd excluded) wants to chat realtime

[Visor]

its funny, i felt a sense of both relief and something akin to self hatred at seeing the vote

like yes, i was right that ladd was a wolf, and i made a good call on a good wolf player, but i should've just voted earlier and been true to myself instead of convincing myself that i should wait for ender. i nearly picked up the phone and just voted and shut it off lol, but i couldn't quite pull the trigger.

i know that doesn't actually mean anything in the grand scheme of things, but i just wanted to be better than i am

always room for improvement i guess.

[Lissa]

its tough to actually go through with doing these things lol

ill be around soon

[Visor]

i think the core of this game is going to come down to a few things, but i think a major point is how d3 played out

d3 in hindsight was a shit show, mostly my fault for tunneling maple into oblivion to be fair, but from the way d3 played out i think it should be clear to see that i cared about getting to the right answer, at any cost. maple was a puzzle piece that fit perfectly in my mind (perhaps too perfectly), given jan's activity levels, maple's lack of posting/solving, i felt like that HAD to be the answer, it just felt right in the way that good wolfreads should do, where you have ticked all the boxes and newcomb gives you a prize and a pat on the back. i didn't let others take the fall for maple, i took maple down singlehandedly with my tunnel, which is not exactly a great argument to peddle in f5 lol, but its the truth and i did it because i believed wholeheartedly that they were going to flip wolf. on the other hand ladd was not interested in taking that poisoned chalice and instead associated me a lot with maple to put me in a negative light to give him that room to work with going into f5. i was loud, brash and confident that i had that good read and that i was going to be vindicated. at the end of the day villagers and wolves can do anything for any reason but i think my actions show what a villager does when they have a read they believe in like i did, compared to wolves, who know the answers, and have to play around and plan for the future in a way that i think d3 demonstrates.

[Visor]

part of me thinks that the way ladd has treated lissa today is all about appealing to them to get them onto their side and that they aren't aligned, which would leave the last wolf in sunbae and ender

sunbae gave himself room yesterday to turn around on me, but has also v read me multiple times in that stretch, which just makes things hard to parse

ender/ladd i was pushing v early and i just cant get those d1 interactions out of my head, the turnaround just had no real logical rhyme or reason to it

but if ladd knows or thinks he is going down, it is possible he is setting up his bro to win in f3, which is likely sunbae/ender/lissa because i doubt their wolf bro tries to argue its a ladd/me world

man i fucking hate meta but i might resort to digging up old games for this lol

[Visor]

when it comes down to it i think theres three stories to the last wolf

1. did lissa bus?

to me this is a question for whoever is in f3 to decide. i totally understand the argument and logically it makes sense. but at the end of the day i just feel in my heart that lissa had a real read on jan and that we thought the same things at the same times because we were villagers on the same wavelength. we are not the most alike people, but in this i feel like wolf lissa would've struggled to match me, if she happened to get there by chance, thats a rough go and you can feel free to blame me if she is indeed a wolf and i cause yall to get it wrong. i think her uptick d3 and her reaction to ladd and ladds appeals to her make sense if she is v. i think her reaction to raskol d3 has a villagery ego to it in a way you get when you feel you have earned the right to be clear in a way that felt real to me in the moment.

gun to my head i would say she's a villager, but in f3 who knows, and if i make it there i'm not just going to lock her clear.

2. was sunbae's d3 a setup

this one is an interesting reverse of lissa's d3 in that lissa grew into a stronger read on me and a weaker read on ladd. if sunbae and ladd are wolves, it would make sense that sunbae gave himself room to push me and switch from village reading lissa and myself to wolfreading us and setting me up to potentially vote lissa and himself to vote me, giving them options in how to handle the day. sunbae has hemmed and hawwed over me today and oscillated from read to read. this is probably the hardest to parse for me just because sunbae is such a good player and i think the way he has played d3 was very smart if he was one. on the other hand i totally understand the indecisiveness and struggling to parse how this game has played out, feeling that i am a villager by my posting. i really liked his d2 and the way he approached the game. i'm not sure how to feel about ladds handling of him, including being very hands off and his posts towards me d3 basically pushing me for village reading sunbae. its something i wish i had like a month to sit on and think but i don't. ladds d3 was intended to set him up for f5, so in that case do i think that he was trying to set sunbae up as well in case it doesn't work? i would love for this to be a game where sunbae and i are v/v and we put the solve together in f5 to turn around the game, but i am just scared, lol.

3. terra nullius

at the end of the day i try not to care about mechs, what i care about are posts. i think at the end of the day ender probably has the worst posting of the remaining three. ofc if lissa is a wolf d2 was wild. i like his reaction to me d2. I liked his sod3, he felt like he had an ego about him and had some energy to his posting. i flip flop back and forth about his d1 posting and ladd going from lock wolf to its okay. i wonder if ladd thought that I was gonna dumpster ender and reacted like that, only to pull it back when nobody bought and he didn't need to actually bus. if i had to pick someone most likely to be a wolf, on balance it would probably be ender by a hair, but i can see the world where he is a villager low on time and took the gift horse from jan with the wolves expecting it to buy them that extra kill late because theres no way he could clear himself.

hopefully i am not in f3 to decide, f5 is stressful enough lol

[Lissa]

alright i am here

the ac seems fucked so it's 82 in our apartment and i am sitting at a barstool in the kitchen with a fan pointed right at me and i have no room to rest my arms lol

3/10 definitely not as bad as last year

anyway, i do think you are really villagery at a lot of points

everything in me says that i can and should just be decisive here but when it comes down to it, i have no idea what to do lol

[Visor]

alright i am here

the ac seems fucked so it's 82 in our apartment and i am sitting at a barstool in the kitchen with a fan pointed right at me and i have no room to rest my arms lol

3/10 definitely not as bad as last year

anyway, i do think you are really villagery at a lot of points

everything in me says that i can and should just be decisive here but when it comes down to it, i have no idea what to do lol

82 is awful jfc.

i cannot wait for winter. are you any closer to moving back to the house yet? lol

everything in me says that i can and should just be decisive here but when it comes down to it, i have no idea what to do lol

lol i understand this more than you can know. i knew i should've voted last night and just made the decision. i lost monty python on MU because i was too afraid of voting and then tim eventually voted me in part because of it. and yet here i am all these years later still making the same goddamned mistakes.

i just hate being wrong and i hate the feeling of people judging me lol. especially in endgame when it really is all your fault.

[Lissa]

82 is awful jfc.

i cannot wait for winter. are you any closer to moving back to the house yet? lol



lol i understand this more than you can know. i knew i should've voted last night and just made the decision. i lost monty python on MU because i was too afraid of voting and then tim eventually voted me in part because of it. and yet here i am all these years later still making the same goddamned mistakes.

i just hate being wrong and i hate the feeling of people judging me lol. especially in endgame when it really is all your fault.

yeah i hate summer. this one actually was fairly mild up until this month at least but its ramped up to be hot now

stuff is soooorta progressing but my moms friends husband who she wanted to use as a contractor but it turned out this dragged out so long he doesn't have time anymore cause he's trying to retire at the end of the year said he didn't think it'd be done by the end of the year LOL

we are hoping he is wrong

insane stuff

paralyzing fear of losing the game to being wrong in lylo has always been an achilles heel of mine

i have overcome most of my other confidence/fear of wrongness related issues and this one has improved to some extent but it is still pretty real ig lol

[Lissa]

i reaaallly feel the judgement thing. i have spent a lot of time over the years reminding myself that misvoting at lylo almost never truly puts the loss 100% on you, the rest of the game took steps that got you there too

its hard to internalize in the moment though

[Lissa]

i lost the j anon game in part because i waited so long to vote wiggles who i was pretty sure was the wolf

[Visor]

i reaaallly feel the judgement thing. i have spent a lot of time over the years reminding myself that misvoting at lylo almost never truly puts the loss 100% on you, the rest of the game took steps that got you there too

its hard to internalize in the moment though

i lost the j anon game in part because i waited so long to vote wiggles who i was pretty sure was the wolf

yeah same with me and dya. it still hurts tbh.

obviously it takes a village to both win and lose a game, but people don't remember some random early game kill, they remember what ended the game.

its hard to get over the fear of being wrong, and i am beginning to suspect it will be a lifelong process lol. especially when you have some self ego that means you want to be right and that being wrong in such a pivotal moment really crushes that.

[Visor]

yeah i hate summer. this one actually was fairly mild up until this month at least but its ramped up to be hot now

stuff is soooorta progressing but my moms friends husband who she wanted to use as a contractor but it turned out this dragged out so long he doesn't have time anymore cause he's trying to retire at the end of the year said he didn't think it'd be done by the end of the year LOL

we are hoping he is wrong

insane stuff

paralyzing fear of losing the game to being wrong in lylo has always been an achilles heel of mine

i have overcome most of my other confidence/fear of wrongness related issues and this one has improved to some extent but it is still pretty real ig lol

that is truly awful, i am sorry for how badly that whole thing has gone

[Lissa]

yeah its tough

i remember one game on pog where i lost to wolf insanity in f3 and i got a lot of shit for it, but it really made me think about how many things had gone wrong in particularly the day before f3 (iirc a consensus villager did something mechanically that risked his life and died and some other things i dont remember)

i realized a lot of things from losing both that and the infamous voxx f3 where people were so tilted from dvc i didnt even postgame in public lol

i have had some pretty good village games lately and finally started to develop like a healthy level of self confidence/ego in my village play so to speak but its still hard in lylo when it comes down to it lol, especially when i dont really feel like i can come to a confident answer


also maintenance brought in a portable ac i guess there is something wrong that it's too late to figure out today LMAO

[Visor]

yeah its tough

i remember one game on pog where i lost to wolf insanity in f3 and i got a lot of shit for it, but it really made me think about how many things had gone wrong in particularly the day before f3 (iirc a consensus villager did something mechanically that risked his life and died and some other things i dont remember)

i realized a lot of things from losing both that and the infamous voxx f3 where people were so tilted from dvc i didnt even postgame in public lol

i have had some pretty good village games lately and finally started to develop like a healthy level of self confidence/ego in my village play so to speak but its still hard in lylo when it comes down to it lol, especially when i dont really feel like i can come to a confident answer


also maintenance brought in a portable ac i guess there is something wrong that it's too late to figure out today LMAO

lol

thats gonna wreck the electricity bill.

and yeah i feel that. these days i don't tend to join dvc and try to just process by myself and try not to be too hard on myself when i suck... which is often lol

[Visor]

where do you stand on sunbae and ender rn lissa?

[Lissa]

that is truly awful, i am sorry for how badly that whole thing has gone

its pretty nuts, the hoa person a lot of stuff is supposed to go through just seems to hate playing ball among other issues and there's not really much in the way of options for us to go over her head or deal with that

i will say on the note of ac, one of the upsides is that our ac unit before was REALLY fucking old and kinda sucked, it didn't cool upstairs very well at all, i spent a lot of summer nights over the years either sleeping downstairs on the couch or hot as fuck trying to sleep in my bed

and apparently the newer ones are a lot better lol

lol

thats gonna wreck the electricity bill.

and yeah i feel that. these days i don't tend to join dvc and try to just process by myself and try not to be too hard on myself when i suck... which is often lol

yeah its not ideal, i am hoping that tomorrow whatever the issue is gets fixed lol

dvcs have been better lately than they i guess were for a stretch i am told, i guess mostly the stretch where i was barely playing

full spoiled dvcs borderline dont really seem to exist anymore in most cases or they happen at the very very end sometimes

where do you stand on sunbae and ender rn lissa?

mmmmm

rereading early game made me remember why i thought sunbae was so villagery

cause damn he posted villagery there

i think funnily in some ways i sort of have a reversed view on his posts where i feel like he was really villagery early on, but his posts today a lot of them really made me feel... idk, a lot of the ways he's gone about the audacious line he took today feel like almost open wolfing, they felt very sunbae wolf in a way i can't put my finger on how to really explain. but some of his most recent stuff sorta felt real

ender... idk. he has some sort of unpaired looking stuff with jan but it's not giga strong. i do find myself thinking about the jan parting gift thing today (to respond to ladd mentioning this earlier, yes if ender is a wolf the parting gift almost certainly actually went to cape not jan) and its definitely /weird/ if ender is v, but idk how much weight i want to put on that. him voting me at eod2 over jan was uh... i don't love it.

[Lissa]

you feel extremely villagery to me a lot of the time and a lot of ladd's posting at points is also actually kind of wild if he's a wolf. my worry of having lost to sunbae/ender world when he voted was pretty real lol

[Lissa]

there a reason you haven't voted him back yet btw

[Visor]

there a reason you haven't voted him back yet btw

not really, was just gonna vote him before going to bed, didn't seem like there was a particular need to vote him asap