Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[ladd]

i think the core of this game is going to come down to a few things, but i think a major point is how d3 played out

d3 in hindsight was a shit show, mostly my fault for tunneling maple into oblivion to be fair, but from the way d3 played out i think it should be clear to see that i cared about getting to the right answer, at any cost. maple was a puzzle piece that fit perfectly in my mind (perhaps too perfectly), given jan's activity levels, maple's lack of posting/solving, i felt like that HAD to be the answer, it just felt right in the way that good wolfreads should do, where you have ticked all the boxes and newcomb gives you a prize and a pat on the back. i didn't let others take the fall for maple, i took maple down singlehandedly with my tunnel, which is not exactly a great argument to peddle in f5 lol, but its the truth and i did it because i believed wholeheartedly that they were going to flip wolf. on the other hand ladd was not interested in taking that poisoned chalice and instead associated me a lot with maple to put me in a negative light to give him that room to work with going into f5. i was loud, brash and confident that i had that good read and that i was going to be vindicated. at the end of the day villagers and wolves can do anything for any reason but i think my actions show what a villager does when they have a read they believe in like i did, compared to wolves, who know the answers, and have to play around and plan for the future in a way that i think d3 demonstrates.

Sorry its hard to snip on phone but the bolded from visor is what i am talking about wrt d3

He had no businness wolfreading maple so hard for lack of solvin/posting, he knows maple well enuf

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[ladd]

I mean even if you compare our cases on each other - i could write a poem about why visor is a wolf

The cases for me being a wolf that i have seen so far are:

- being uncharitable towards visor on d3 (i mean i was right and i dont think i was uncharitablr at all but ymmv)

- wishy washy read on ender d1 (sure i already claimed guilty of this one but d1 was incredibly low activity and my reads flipped easily as a conseguence)

I dunno if i missed anything else but idts

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[Lissa]

1) i started bussing him from d1 even when sunbae v read there gave me every excuse not to. You can see in my posts the conflict between thinking sunbae is villagery and sheeping him on jan and thinking jan is wolfy. I posted 9 times the day i bussed him, thats not how u buss

2) visor eod was wolfy, i pointed out exactly why d3 before he was a confirmed wolf to me. What am i overlooking? The fact you mindmelded with him quite frankly doesnt matter shrug.jpg waza posting wasnt wolfy

3) the wording was obviously a joke, but the concept is that in close v/w wagons..you are supposed to look at who voted the villager cause good chance a wolf is there

4) wrt maple what i mean is that visor was so incredibly close minded on me/maple, if u have seen visor village before you should know his focus wouldnt be on maple there. He REALLY should have been looking at sunbae more, regardless of sunbae alignment.

Compare it with how i didnt really care about maple and looked at sunbae/visor hard, tahts what visor what a villager reactiin would be

1 yeah it /is/ weird I agree. you basically brought him into my attention too
2 mainly referring to the "if we aren't killing jan" thing
3 well yes, the wording definitely made me feel squirmy though
4 yes I've been playing ww with visor for, like, ten years on and off, but I'm not necessarily convinced that is true

Below are all mentions of jan from visor afaict



Rask correctly called this out saying visor did the same thing to zelda in some other game


His read on jan (idt there is anything wolfy or villagery about this, just posting for completion sake)




I think if visor was a villager he would have said that jan not having such a pet read was wolfy vs "wishing"

Finally votes jan making it 4/2 but he is not pushing for it and essentially ignored lissa case on him



Tries to convince u to vote waza by linking him to your strong wolfread



This vote puts it 3/3 jan/lissa BUT 4 mjns after jan claims so the claim was def planned already by the point this vite happened (and he switxhes to waza)


He is not treating jan like an unknown player he has to solve and nor as a villager he has to mislunch

He is treating him as another wolf that he wants to distance from but not buss

he actually did acknowledge / engage a bit with my push there at at least one point but sure, not a ton.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not convinced there's not a villager mindset behind some of these things? I can easily see it. He thought a lot of similar things to me at that eod, obviously it's possible that I was just deeply pocketed by it, but you're kinda like. You're trying to convince me that a villager can never think or do things that in my perception I literally also thought and did at least pretty similar things to. Whether he was trying to or not he didn't convince me to vote waza, I decided it was mech correct to not kill jan and in the lack of having a direction latched onto a few posts waza made at that eod I thought were pretty wolfy in the moment.

Sorry its hard to snip on phone but the bolded from visor is what i am talking about wrt d3

He had no businness wolfreading maple so hard for lack of solvin/posting, he knows maple well enuf

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I feel like most of the game perceived that as wolfy for maple though lol. Some way or another. Who generally should have a comparable take.

I mean even if you compare our cases on each other - i could write a poem about why visor is a wolf

The cases for me being a wolf that i have seen so far are:

- being uncharitable towards visor on d3 (i mean i was right and i dont think i was uncharitablr at all but ymmv)

- wishy washy read on ender d1 (sure i already claimed guilty of this one but d1 was incredibly low activity and my reads flipped easily as a conseguence)

I dunno if i missed anything else but idts

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I mean the case fmpov more comes down to which one of you is more villagery.

I understand that if you are a villager you see visor as having been ~outed even before it was confirmed by you voting him. But he's posted /extremely/ villagery in my eyes. There is also a lot of things that would be very weird about you being a wolf, indeed.

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[Lissa]

im like hearing and thinking about everything you are saying but like. mrg

im having a deja vu moment to beck hard misreading where i was at in the voxx f3

its not really the same at all but like

mmh

how do i explain this, it does make me think you're just the villager here though. feel like i'm almost viewing the game from outside for a moment. the whole way you've been talking about visor for the past couple days, something just sorta clicked

i wish ender would vote. me voting first is like wildly suboptimal lmao.

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[ladd]

Alrighty, i have said my piece

I know its hard to get out of being pocketed (god knows sunbae will pocket me so hard in f3 if he is a wolf) but all i can tell u is to actually try to put the "visor is villagery" in tangible posts he has made and see if it holds up

There is way more tangible stuff for visor wolf than for me wolf (there is none )



Ill only add wrt maple that visor wolfread them hard from d1. On d3 thinking they are a wolf by PoE is fine but if you single out visor's read on maple from start of gamr to maple lunch u will see how weirdly and wolfily confident it was from the start

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 1170

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Visor	ladd (46)
1	ladd	Visor (41)
3	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (29), Lissa (55), Sunbae (53)

Votes are locked.

[Sunbae]

54. lissa you here? im ready to vote and ill go next (wanna know before i sleep)

[Lissa]

putting my response to you at the top wrote it after rest etc

uhh im here, give me a few minutes and I guess I'll vote, won't be too long

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Okay imma ride with u still even if the NK is weird lmao

Kinda agree with this sentiment cos at first I thought visors reaction to rask today was outting but then after the wall I can possibly see a v/v angle, even if I’m not really sold on visor being town yet

mmm



ender/visor is maybe a LITTLE weird but big meh


ender voting would have been nice so I could rule out. like. world stuff

but I guess that's not happening in a reasonable timeframe. I will probably vote soonish, because someone has to fucking do it and at a point the benefit of me not voting first gets outweighed by the downside of not having any more fucking votes down as it nears eod.

also ender coming in to make the string of posts he made today that actually has literally zero takes on the game or who he thinks the wolves are or like. anything. is. a thing

not even meaning a lack of like conclusions, a lack of any read at all

especially since, like, the crossvote existing is more information for him than it is for me if he's a villa. unless he wants to tinfoil me, it tells him that either sunbae is a wolf or ladd/visor did some serious theater. what I'd give to have someone else but me be the clear and have that info lol

Also I keep thinking about the fact that his reads felt like he started with a clean slate today instead of natural progression. I mean looking at his iso again, he did, outright, say he was doing this, in fairness. but it's not /really/ how it generally works for villagers imo in practice

though there is some layers of like, him finding me not villagery on d1 again when iirc that was his take at the time even though he cleared me later etc, lingering.

but some other stuff like the bringing up ladd/visor w/w idea without at all acknowledging the last couple days is like...



to circle back to team things,

ender/ladd is just kinda. idk why don't you just fucking wait for sunbae to vote there lol you prob win today (also true for the ender/visor world lmao)
sunbae/visor is... no idea offhand
sunbae/ladd is not /impossible/ but somewhat weird at a fair number of points


which, well, writing all those out does also point towards visor




to circle back to ender, the basically forgetting why i should be cleared is also a bit weird tbh still

but like yeah sure he's not done rereading d3 neither am i but the ladd/visor stuff was MEMORABLE lol

his eod2 was rough. and i definitely do still feel like the item thing makes more sense if he is a wolf tbh

why does this site always break right when i have the most mental clarity about the game and to play the game lmao

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