Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Visor]

its pretty nuts, the hoa person a lot of stuff is supposed to go through just seems to hate playing ball among other issues and there's not really much in the way of options for us to go over her head or deal with that

i will say on the note of ac, one of the upsides is that our ac unit before was REALLY fucking old and kinda sucked, it didn't cool upstairs very well at all, i spent a lot of summer nights over the years either sleeping downstairs on the couch or hot as fuck trying to sleep in my bed

and apparently the newer ones are a lot better lol



yeah its not ideal, i am hoping that tomorrow whatever the issue is gets fixed lol

dvcs have been better lately than they i guess were for a stretch i am told, i guess mostly the stretch where i was barely playing

full spoiled dvcs borderline dont really seem to exist anymore in most cases or they happen at the very very end sometimes



mmmmm

rereading early game made me remember why i thought sunbae was so villagery

cause damn he posted villagery there

i think funnily in some ways i sort of have a reversed view on his posts where i feel like he was really villagery early on, but his posts today a lot of them really made me feel... idk, a lot of the ways he's gone about the audacious line he took today feel like almost open wolfing, they felt very sunbae wolf in a way i can't put my finger on how to really explain. but some of his most recent stuff sorta felt real

ender... idk. he has some sort of unpaired looking stuff with jan but it's not giga strong. i do find myself thinking about the jan parting gift thing today (to respond to ladd mentioning this earlier, yes if ender is a wolf the parting gift almost certainly actually went to cape not jan) and its definitely /weird/ if ender is v, but idk how much weight i want to put on that. him voting me at eod2 over jan was uh... i don't love it.

talk to me about his d1 posts - i thought they were fine but i thought he improved more d2 and d3

ender is a tough one - on balance he probably just has the worst posts, but he is also just a perfect target for this kind of setup.

[Visor]

i will say in some ways it has felt like the sunbae of today is two different people at different times and has felt different today compared to earlier in the game

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 1141

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Visor	ladd (37)
4	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (25), Lissa (47), Sunbae (52), Visor (35)

Votes are locked.

[Lissa]

not really, was just gonna vote him before going to bed, didn't seem like there was a particular need to vote him asap

yeah fair enough ig, just sort of usually expect those crossvote responses to be immediate

talk to me about his d1 posts - i thought they were fine but i thought he improved more d2 and d3

ender is a tough one - on balance he probably just has the worst posts, but he is also just a perfect target for this kind of setup.

mm definitely moreso d2, i mainly meant at least one person (maybe just ladd?) said he was really villagery today and im just kinda like...

d1 had some moments that felt villagery but thinner ye

thats def a thing re ender

i will say in some ways it has felt like the sunbae of today is two different people at different times and has felt different today compared to earlier in the game

yeah thats like kinda part of what i mean i think, it feels like he switched on a certain mode i guess

[Visor]

Vote: Ladd

now you have to post another tally

[Visor]

yeah fair enough ig, just sort of usually expect those crossvote responses to be immediate



mm definitely moreso d2, i mainly meant at least one person (maybe just ladd?) said he was really villagery today and im just kinda like...

d1 had some moments that felt villagery but thinner ye

thats def a thing re ender



yeah thats like kinda part of what i mean i think, it feels like he switched on a certain mode i guess

i mean i woke up, checked the thread and then went to work lol :P

[Lissa]

but yeah i honestly felt in the moment like a lot of his posting today was like super super openwolfing level, its hard to explain but it just really felt like that, but i didnt think it would be productive or useful to react that openly/intensely like that in case he is a villa lol

cause it certainly isnt impossible

and from my position itg i felt comfortable doing something like that

[Visor]

but yeah i honestly felt in the moment like a lot of his posting today was like super super openwolfing level, its hard to explain but it just really felt like that, but i didnt think it would be productive or useful to react that openly/intensely like that in case he is a villa lol

cause it certainly isnt impossible

and from my position itg i felt comfortable doing something like that

yeah it seemed strange to me, but i basically did the same thing, i figured if hes a villager it might be helpful for him

[Visor]

you got any thoughts on what i posted earlier btw?

[Lissa]

in retrospect its possible i could have gotten better value out of expressing that intensity a bit more, i am not sure. his reaction to how i played it definitely feels like it should be very readable though

ye fair re the vote back etc, i just asked cause its unusual, and i think often its conventionally wolfy (idk if that actually holds up) but i dont really think i care about it here

you got any thoughts on what i posted earlier btw?

read it over a few times and been thinking about it

ladds ender progression was def weird

i actually still need to finish rereading d3 to fully engage with some of it, the sunbae and ladd d3 stuff

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[Lissa]

i think the core of this game is going to come down to a few things, but i think a major point is how d3 played out

d3 in hindsight was a shit show, mostly my fault for tunneling maple into oblivion to be fair, but from the way d3 played out i think it should be clear to see that i cared about getting to the right answer, at any cost. maple was a puzzle piece that fit perfectly in my mind (perhaps too perfectly), given jan's activity levels, maple's lack of posting/solving, i felt like that HAD to be the answer, it just felt right in the way that good wolfreads should do, where you have ticked all the boxes and newcomb gives you a prize and a pat on the back. i didn't let others take the fall for maple, i took maple down singlehandedly with my tunnel, which is not exactly a great argument to peddle in f5 lol, but its the truth and i did it because i believed wholeheartedly that they were going to flip wolf. on the other hand ladd was not interested in taking that poisoned chalice and instead associated me a lot with maple to put me in a negative light to give him that room to work with going into f5. i was loud, brash and confident that i had that good read and that i was going to be vindicated. at the end of the day villagers and wolves can do anything for any reason but i think my actions show what a villager does when they have a read they believe in like i did, compared to wolves, who know the answers, and have to play around and plan for the future in a way that i think d3 demonstrates.

its def interesting to read this in context of how i viewed things, and in retrospect i should have talked a lot more about that in the moment but on some level it felt like that elim sort of had to happen but i still regretted it because i did deep down think she was town on some level it was just kinda weird to find the actual world so i sorta half talked myself into maybe she is just a wolf, hoping for it maybe more than anything else lol, and i didnt really feel like i could hard commit to a clear on her 100% there and i feel like to not kill here there you kinda just have to decide you will never kill her. but i saw the flip and i was just kinda like yep and i desperately wished i had even though idk if it was even realistic, probably not at all lol, just one of those things that felt like it shouldve been more in my power/control than it really was

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[Visor]

in retrospect its possible i could have gotten better value out of expressing that intensity a bit more, i am not sure. his reaction to how i played it definitely feels like it should be very readable though

ye fair re the vote back etc, i just asked cause its unusual, and i think often its conventionally wolfy (idk if that actually holds up) but i dont really think i care about it here



read it over a few times and been thinking about it

ladds ender progression was def weird

i actually still need to finish rereading d3 to fully engage with some of it, the sunbae and ladd d3 stuff

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i think it has more to do with turbos than long games if memory serves

regardless, you got any questions for me before i head to bed?

[Lissa]

yeah prob more relevant there ig

i cant think of any more questions really

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[EnderWiggin]

Unironically I do not understand how I am the "worst poster".

This isn't even a bite back at Visor because, like, this gets said a lot about me. No matter my alignment. It's easier to swallow when I'm wolf because like... I am a wolf lol.

But when I'm town like this game and last game where Ladd (who turned out town that game) said "Ender is the wolfiest poster in thread atm" and I'm like...

Idk what to do about it bruv but I either get that or I'm told I'm posting really well and I do not understand the difference in my posts.

It's probably something because it's too much of a trend to be simply people being dumb but I have never managed to work it out.

(This also didn't used to be a thing when I tryharded. It's pretty much become a thing since I started playing relaxedly)

[EnderWiggin]

Also I was writing something up last night but then fell asleep and went to work this morning forgetting to check what I was working on so lolme.

[EnderWiggin]

(I would blame "wolfy posting" on being chill but apparently other people can be chill and still post towny so idk)

[EnderWiggin]

Ill be afk until morning probably

Tomorrow is also my birthday (30 is coming) so i dont know how much ill be around but i will def pop in

I don't know why I'm surprised anymore by players that I think are good being younger than me.

[Sunbae]

spending a post to announce i am here, that i have yet to see anyone put forth a strong stance on a team that does not involve me, and that i would like to see it at some point plz n thx. time to take the stands and make the pick, nobody is going to hate on anyone for being wrong this game because nobody has been right about anything relevant this game. we will all tell ourselves that we could have done better when its over and laugh about some of the stuff (i personally think my ender/lissa team is funny in hindsight i had my charlie kelley pepe silvia corkboard going) and also because it is a chill org game with friends. let us not stress ourselves out about dvc and worrying its like old toxic ones of the past (of which i still profusely apologize for being mad on the voxx one lissa, that was a me problem and not a you problem).


so lets all shrug off this general mentality of "oh i dont know what to do and im worried about whats gonna happen" and just make the best read we can make. ladd or visor is a wolf. they have a partner. we have 4 days of game to go through. dead villagers. close wagons. a dead wolf. lets find the answer we think fits, take our shot, and see if its right.

i will be voting last. i am strongarming this (channeling my inner maple i hope shes proud). I will let the clock tick down and not vote at all rather than vote next. we lose the game if i vote next because im a villager reading how im open wolfing and i refuse to be the shrug yeet tomorrow if we get it right today. but im here for the rest of the night to lurk and read and make the right decision when its time. i dont care who lissa or ender vote i just want them to vote differently. fingers crossed

[ladd]

I will make some quick bullet points, mostly to avoid the "last to talk is right" effect but its mostky stuff i already said in a more concise format:

- i look good from jan. Visor does not, he never tried to really kill jan this game.

- visor eod2 is wolfy. He basically ignorrs jan, only 2 nake d votes and focus instead on attacking other villas (waza)

- someone has to pay for the waza mislunch, its by far the worst lunch of the game. Iirc eod2 ended in 3/2/2 wagons w/v/lissa (v), i am the only player alive who was on the wolf

- if u read d3 you can clearly see who is playing like a wolf just trying to go for the easy solution and was focused on just getting maple out (visor pushing maple and me, i was afk at the time) and who is a villager that is trying to solve the game and knows maple lunch didnt matter (me going for visor and lookjng at sunbae)

- all dead villas (vanta,cape,waza,rask) thought i was a villager and that visor was wolfy afair

[ladd]

I d prefer if ender votes next (but obv i cant force anybody)

Then you and lissa can do what you want, i dont really care on the order

I hope we can get this done in like the next 5 hours or so without waiting until deadline cause when lylos get too late into the clock they tend to end bad ime

But again i cant force anyone

[Lissa]

ender i think its more a matter of other people posting REALLY villagery here, its a hard game

I would strongly prefer ender votes next, I really do not think I should EVER be voting first here. seems giga suboptimal lol

I'm hereish, conserving posts, gonna reread some more shit soon.

You're not wrong sunbae, ultimately this game is like... Actually hard and it's a chill game and I'm not worried about getting shit on for being wrong or anything, I know nobody in this game is going to do that. The internal pressure I place on myself to be right is still kinda there tho lol

I'll put down some stance stuff in a bit here

I will make some quick bullet points, mostly to avoid the "last to talk is right" effect but its mostky stuff i already said in a more concise format:

- i look good from jan. Visor does not, he never tried to really kill jan this game.

- visor eod2 is wolfy. He basically ignorrs jan, only 2 nake d votes and focus instead on attacking other villas (waza)

- someone has to pay for the waza mislunch, its by far the worst lunch of the game. Iirc eod2 ended in 3/2/2 wagons w/v/lissa (v), i am the only player alive who was on the wolf

- if u read d3 you can clearly see who is playing like a wolf just trying to go for the easy solution and was focused on just getting maple out (visor pushing maple and me, i was afk at the time) and who is a villager that is trying to solve the game and knows maple lunch didnt matter (me going for visor and lookjng at sunbae)

- all dead villas (vanta,cape,waza,rask) thought i was a villager and that visor was wolfy afair

frankly, my counterpoint would be that it makes plenty of sense to bus jan at some point here lol

sure visors eod was level 0 wolfy, but i really felt like we were on the same wavelength at it and i think your descriptions of elements of it were pretty uncharitable (i'm aware that if you're a villager you know he's a wolf, etc. but even before that) and sorta overlooking elements

i hate that you put it as "someone has to pay" cause no, i'm trying to kill the wolves, that way of phrasing that is not villagery

i still need to reread d3 but maple didnt NEED to be focused on being gotten out, lol, cmon

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[ladd]

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frankly, my counterpoint would be that it makes plenty of sense to bus jan at some point here lol

sure visors eod was level 0 wolfy, but i really felt like we were on the same wavelength at it and i think your descriptions of elements of it were pretty uncharitable (i'm aware that if you're a villager you know he's a wolf, etc. but even before that) and sorta overlooking elements

i hate that you put it as "someone has to pay" cause no, i'm trying to kill the wolves, that way of phrasing that is not villagery

i still need to reread d3 but maple didnt NEED to be focused on being gotten out, lol, cmon

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1) i started bussing him from d1 even when sunbae v read there gave me every excuse not to. You can see in my posts the conflict between thinking sunbae is villagery and sheeping him on jan and thinking jan is wolfy. I posted 9 times the day i bussed him, thats not how u buss

2) visor eod was wolfy, i pointed out exactly why d3 before he was a confirmed wolf to me. What am i overlooking? The fact you mindmelded with him quite frankly doesnt matter shrug.jpg waza posting wasnt wolfy

3) the wording was obviously a joke, but the concept is that in close v/w wagons..you are supposed to look at who voted the villager cause good chance a wolf is there

4) wrt maple what i mean is that visor was so incredibly close minded on me/maple, if u have seen visor village before you should know his focus wouldnt be on maple there. He REALLY should have been looking at sunbae more, regardless of sunbae alignment.

Compare it with how i didnt really care about maple and looked at sunbae/visor hard, tahts what visor what a villager reactiin would be

[ladd]

Below are all mentions of jan from visor afaict

@Jan

what do you make of vanta dying overnight - specifically because they were wolfreading you yesterday?

Rask correctly called this out saying visor did the same thing to zelda in some other game

It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo

Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur

And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about

Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something

Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home

His read on jan (idt there is anything wolfy or villagery about this, just posting for completion sake)

i wish jan had stronger reads

or like a pet read or something that he kept going back to

I think if visor was a villager he would have said that jan not having such a pet read was wolfy vs "wishing"

vote: jan

Entschuldigang

Finally votes jan making it 4/2 but he is not pushing for it and essentially ignored lissa case on him

i mean it is straight up just downplaying all the work sunbae has done because it isn't at eod

and because sunbae is wolfreading waza

super self focused

waza/jan w/w

Tries to convince u to vote waza by linking him to your strong wolfread

lissa has more posts than me wtf lol

vote: jan

This vote puts it 3/3 jan/lissa BUT 4 mjns after jan claims so the claim was def planned already by the point this vite happened (and he switxhes to waza)


He is not treating jan like an unknown player he has to solve and nor as a villager he has to mislunch

He is treating him as another wolf that he wants to distance from but not buss

[ladd]

If we don't kill Jan and I don't really want to kill lissa

I will accept maple ender or waza

I missed this post but i already talked about why its wolfy

(42 i think?)

[ladd]

i think the core of this game is going to come down to a few things, but i think a major point is how d3 played out

d3 in hindsight was a shit show, mostly my fault for tunneling maple into oblivion to be fair, but from the way d3 played out i think it should be clear to see that i cared about getting to the right answer, at any cost. maple was a puzzle piece that fit perfectly in my mind (perhaps too perfectly), given jan's activity levels, maple's lack of posting/solving, i felt like that HAD to be the answer, it just felt right in the way that good wolfreads should do, where you have ticked all the boxes and newcomb gives you a prize and a pat on the back. i didn't let others take the fall for maple, i took maple down singlehandedly with my tunnel, which is not exactly a great argument to peddle in f5 lol, but its the truth and i did it because i believed wholeheartedly that they were going to flip wolf. on the other hand ladd was not interested in taking that poisoned chalice and instead associated me a lot with maple to put me in a negative light to give him that room to work with going into f5. i was loud, brash and confident that i had that good read and that i was going to be vindicated. at the end of the day villagers and wolves can do anything for any reason but i think my actions show what a villager does when they have a read they believe in like i did, compared to wolves, who know the answers, and have to play around and plan for the future in a way that i think d3 demonstrates.

Sorry its hard to snip on phone but the bolded from visor is what i am talking about wrt d3

He had no businness wolfreading maple so hard for lack of solvin/posting, he knows maple well enuf

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[ladd]

I mean even if you compare our cases on each other - i could write a poem about why visor is a wolf

The cases for me being a wolf that i have seen so far are:

- being uncharitable towards visor on d3 (i mean i was right and i dont think i was uncharitablr at all but ymmv)

- wishy washy read on ender d1 (sure i already claimed guilty of this one but d1 was incredibly low activity and my reads flipped easily as a conseguence)

I dunno if i missed anything else but idts

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[ladd]

spending a post to announce i am here, that i have yet to see anyone put forth a strong stance on a team that does not involve me, and that i would like to see it at some point plz n thx. time to take the stands and make the pick, nobody is going to hate on anyone for being wrong this game because nobody has been right about anything relevant this game. we will all tell ourselves that we could have done better when its over and laugh about some of the stuff (i personally think my ender/lissa team is funny in hindsight i had my charlie kelley pepe silvia corkboard going) and also because it is a chill org game with friends. let us not stress ourselves out about dvc and worrying its like old toxic ones of the past (of which i still profusely apologize for being mad on the voxx one lissa, that was a me problem and not a you problem).

I already said the team is decently likely to be ender/visor friendo

I am probably like 70% ender/visor, 29% you/visor, 1% lissa/visor

I am cool with you bein the hammer if it happens organically but quite frankly i see no difference between that and just picking in f3 if we get there

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[Lissa]

1) i started bussing him from d1 even when sunbae v read there gave me every excuse not to. You can see in my posts the conflict between thinking sunbae is villagery and sheeping him on jan and thinking jan is wolfy. I posted 9 times the day i bussed him, thats not how u buss

2) visor eod was wolfy, i pointed out exactly why d3 before he was a confirmed wolf to me. What am i overlooking? The fact you mindmelded with him quite frankly doesnt matter shrug.jpg waza posting wasnt wolfy

3) the wording was obviously a joke, but the concept is that in close v/w wagons..you are supposed to look at who voted the villager cause good chance a wolf is there

4) wrt maple what i mean is that visor was so incredibly close minded on me/maple, if u have seen visor village before you should know his focus wouldnt be on maple there. He REALLY should have been looking at sunbae more, regardless of sunbae alignment.

Compare it with how i didnt really care about maple and looked at sunbae/visor hard, tahts what visor what a villager reactiin would be

1 yeah it /is/ weird I agree. you basically brought him into my attention too
2 mainly referring to the "if we aren't killing jan" thing
3 well yes, the wording definitely made me feel squirmy though
4 yes I've been playing ww with visor for, like, ten years on and off, but I'm not necessarily convinced that is true

Below are all mentions of jan from visor afaict



Rask correctly called this out saying visor did the same thing to zelda in some other game


His read on jan (idt there is anything wolfy or villagery about this, just posting for completion sake)




I think if visor was a villager he would have said that jan not having such a pet read was wolfy vs "wishing"

Finally votes jan making it 4/2 but he is not pushing for it and essentially ignored lissa case on him



Tries to convince u to vote waza by linking him to your strong wolfread



This vote puts it 3/3 jan/lissa BUT 4 mjns after jan claims so the claim was def planned already by the point this vite happened (and he switxhes to waza)


He is not treating jan like an unknown player he has to solve and nor as a villager he has to mislunch

He is treating him as another wolf that he wants to distance from but not buss

he actually did acknowledge / engage a bit with my push there at at least one point but sure, not a ton.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not convinced there's not a villager mindset behind some of these things? I can easily see it. He thought a lot of similar things to me at that eod, obviously it's possible that I was just deeply pocketed by it, but you're kinda like. You're trying to convince me that a villager can never think or do things that in my perception I literally also thought and did at least pretty similar things to. Whether he was trying to or not he didn't convince me to vote waza, I decided it was mech correct to not kill jan and in the lack of having a direction latched onto a few posts waza made at that eod I thought were pretty wolfy in the moment.

Sorry its hard to snip on phone but the bolded from visor is what i am talking about wrt d3

He had no businness wolfreading maple so hard for lack of solvin/posting, he knows maple well enuf

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I feel like most of the game perceived that as wolfy for maple though lol. Some way or another. Who generally should have a comparable take.

I mean even if you compare our cases on each other - i could write a poem about why visor is a wolf

The cases for me being a wolf that i have seen so far are:

- being uncharitable towards visor on d3 (i mean i was right and i dont think i was uncharitablr at all but ymmv)

- wishy washy read on ender d1 (sure i already claimed guilty of this one but d1 was incredibly low activity and my reads flipped easily as a conseguence)

I dunno if i missed anything else but idts

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I mean the case fmpov more comes down to which one of you is more villagery.

I understand that if you are a villager you see visor as having been ~outed even before it was confirmed by you voting him. But he's posted /extremely/ villagery in my eyes. There is also a lot of things that would be very weird about you being a wolf, indeed.

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[Lissa]

im like hearing and thinking about everything you are saying but like. mrg

im having a deja vu moment to beck hard misreading where i was at in the voxx f3

its not really the same at all but like

mmh

how do i explain this, it does make me think you're just the villager here though. feel like i'm almost viewing the game from outside for a moment. the whole way you've been talking about visor for the past couple days, something just sorta clicked

i wish ender would vote. me voting first is like wildly suboptimal lmao.

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[ladd]

Alrighty, i have said my piece

I know its hard to get out of being pocketed (god knows sunbae will pocket me so hard in f3 if he is a wolf) but all i can tell u is to actually try to put the "visor is villagery" in tangible posts he has made and see if it holds up

There is way more tangible stuff for visor wolf than for me wolf (there is none )



Ill only add wrt maple that visor wolfread them hard from d1. On d3 thinking they are a wolf by PoE is fine but if you single out visor's read on maple from start of gamr to maple lunch u will see how weirdly and wolfily confident it was from the start