Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 1170

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Visor	ladd (46)
1	ladd	Visor (41)
3	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (29), Lissa (55), Sunbae (53)

Votes are locked.

[Sunbae]

54. lissa you here? im ready to vote and ill go next (wanna know before i sleep)

[Lissa]

putting my response to you at the top wrote it after rest etc

uhh im here, give me a few minutes and I guess I'll vote, won't be too long

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Okay imma ride with u still even if the NK is weird lmao

Kinda agree with this sentiment cos at first I thought visors reaction to rask today was outting but then after the wall I can possibly see a v/v angle, even if I’m not really sold on visor being town yet

mmm



ender/visor is maybe a LITTLE weird but big meh


ender voting would have been nice so I could rule out. like. world stuff

but I guess that's not happening in a reasonable timeframe. I will probably vote soonish, because someone has to fucking do it and at a point the benefit of me not voting first gets outweighed by the downside of not having any more fucking votes down as it nears eod.

also ender coming in to make the string of posts he made today that actually has literally zero takes on the game or who he thinks the wolves are or like. anything. is. a thing

not even meaning a lack of like conclusions, a lack of any read at all

especially since, like, the crossvote existing is more information for him than it is for me if he's a villa. unless he wants to tinfoil me, it tells him that either sunbae is a wolf or ladd/visor did some serious theater. what I'd give to have someone else but me be the clear and have that info lol

Also I keep thinking about the fact that his reads felt like he started with a clean slate today instead of natural progression. I mean looking at his iso again, he did, outright, say he was doing this, in fairness. but it's not /really/ how it generally works for villagers imo in practice

though there is some layers of like, him finding me not villagery on d1 again when iirc that was his take at the time even though he cleared me later etc, lingering.

but some other stuff like the bringing up ladd/visor w/w idea without at all acknowledging the last couple days is like...



to circle back to team things,

ender/ladd is just kinda. idk why don't you just fucking wait for sunbae to vote there lol you prob win today (also true for the ender/visor world lmao)
sunbae/visor is... no idea offhand
sunbae/ladd is not /impossible/ but somewhat weird at a fair number of points


which, well, writing all those out does also point towards visor




to circle back to ender, the basically forgetting why i should be cleared is also a bit weird tbh still

but like yeah sure he's not done rereading d3 neither am i but the ladd/visor stuff was MEMORABLE lol

his eod2 was rough. and i definitely do still feel like the item thing makes more sense if he is a wolf tbh

why does this site always break right when i have the most mental clarity about the game and to play the game lmao

56

[Sunbae]

Lissa: heres the new million dollar question:

If Ladd is a villager who is right about Cape, who is right about Rask, who is right about Waza, who is right about Jan

Why is he alive on day 4 and Vanta into Cape are dead.

[ladd]

Lissa: heres the new million dollar question:

If Ladd is a villager who is right about Cape, who is right about Rask, who is right about Waza, who is right about Jan

Why is he alive on day 4 and Vanta into Cape are dead.

Uh cause vanta was right about jan, cape was villaread and i was mislunchable especially after posting 9 times d2

I was in everyone's PoE d3

Only night i could have died was n1 really

[ladd]

Ngl thats a super weird question and now i suddenly have a bad feeling

48

[Sunbae]

56. not a weird question at all imo. doesnt mean i think youre the wolf it means its something i want to see lissas response to

[Lissa]

theres also the matter of rask dying over me, that is still a thing

It's the short version anyway - basically they aren't gonna do anything unless they are in danger, it's their slanking wolf type of game imo

Re Jan: have been disappointed with him today, d1 was fine, had the joie de vivre I am looking for from v Jan but today is more doiur

And not any counter culture reads (like against thread position) that he is worried about

Like if he was wolf reading Ladd or sunbae or rask but not feeling like he should push there or something

Idk what to make of enders posts towards me rn I will need to read them when I get home

visor probably /should/ know that that's also in maple's village range indeed lol

Ladd is in the weird position where I think he could be a wolf, but there is no point in pushing him today, when he is mostly gone for this phase.
The n1 kill makes me think Ladd will be alive for a while, and we can talk about him when he is back.

I agree with waza that sunbae might be someone to look at if you are a villager (or rather if rask/you is v/v).
I don't have a strong read on you, but I rarely read you these days. You either find a wolf and die at night or don't find a wolf and die during the day.

I don't think this game has a lot of "counter culture" simply because most people could still be wolves and reads are fairly soft.

this was such a strange post. idk how to read it tho

Lissa: heres the new million dollar question:

If Ladd is a villager who is right about Cape, who is right about Rask, who is right about Waza, who is right about Jan

Why is he alive on day 4 and Vanta into Cape are dead.

i mean you can call it a bit weird ig sure, but he was openly on vacation and like 9 posting d2 lol

not like him being right saved waza

vanta was pretty focused on jan

ladd was more mislimable than cape

you asking this question kinda unsettles me ngl it makes me feel like you're visor's partner seeing me start to get to the right answer and trying to make me hesitate

its obv not like a completely unreasonable question if you're a villa but the timing is like... holyyyy

57

[ladd]

56. not a weird question at all imo. doesnt mean i think youre the wolf it means its something i want to see lissas response to

Well fmpov it seems like you are instilling in lissa the doubt i am a wolf just when they were right

But i guess we will see

[ladd]

theres also the matter of rask dying over me, that is still a thing



visor probably /should/ know that that's also in maple's village range indeed lol



this was such a strange post. idk how to read it tho






i mean you can call it a bit weird ig sure, but he was openly on vacation and like 9 posting d2 lol

not like him being right saved waza

vanta was pretty focused on jan

ladd was more mislimable than cape

you asking this question kinda unsettles me ngl it makes me feel like you're visor's partner seeing me start to get to the right answer and trying to make me hesitate

its obv not like a completely unreasonable question if you're a villa but the timing is like... holyyyy

57

Yea exactly lol

[Sunbae]

57. the counter for "wow this post/line youre taking makes sense if youre a villager but AHHHHH NOW IM CONCERNED" has reached 4 now? grrr lol

So last post before either saying "acknowleged" to your vote or voting myself:

The main corner case I am trying to solve here is ensuring the team is not you and ladd. The nightkills would track from this (rask over both of you, vanta over ladd, cape calling you a wolf, your insistence that visor is a villager all game) and the way ladd is unrelentingly villa reading you for the last two days would track too. (1% wolf read today). So I wanted to see if that was a question you had been considering because I think with all of your talkk of the voxx game being in your head today then villager you was already thinking about it given that was the big thing from that game. I only bring it up because its been talked about (and i get it again, apologies for my outburst last time it was wrong of me) but it struck me as really odd that you never even presented it in the thread. Was concerned, curious, etc.

It does sound like you had a pretty solid response lined up. If you said some form of "oh huh thats interesting idk" and started to backpedal again I was going to drudge siren pretty hard. With the way you answered and the way both ladd and visor have you as a villager though I think I'm good? After reading the jan case and jans vote on you on top of it.

Apologies for spooking you and I hope that made sense now that its been explained.

[Gemma]

Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0
Day 4 - Votes from post 942 through 1181

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	Visor	ladd (50)
1	ladd	Visor (41)
3	Not Voting	EnderWiggin (29), Lissa (57), Sunbae (57)

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Modnote I'm afk for a few hours-ish, if hammer occurs please stop posting (unless it's gg)

[EnderWiggin]

i was wondering about this and how it relates to the chance of them being paired but visor being obsessed with people reacting to ender d1 honestly just seems like an exaggeration

There was like 5 pages in a row where Visor asked a new person their take on me. (50ppp if it matters)

It felt like on catchup I was just opening a new page to Visor asking the same question on repeat.

[ladd]

With ender coming in too i think a mexican standoff gif would fit well here but sadly i am on phone

We are just missing visor

[EnderWiggin]

With ender coming in too i think a mexican standoff gif would fit well here but sadly i am on phone

We are just missing visor

I honestly am sorry i'm so late I was handed a work project and was not expecting to lose all afternoon to it lol.

[Lissa]

ladd living n1 over someone like vanta also makes additional sense if... sunbae/visor are wolves and just killing ladd etc would likely make especially sunbae stick out lol

Lissa do u really think visor sunbae and ladd can be pure and the wolves decide to n1 the slot visor called the biggest ml bait in the lobby?

idk why i didnt say anything about how wolfy that claim timing was lol

feels a bit silly to say considering but it really weirds me out that visor didnt say something along those lines actually hm

ngl the "or what" thing is ????

57. the counter for "wow this post/line youre taking makes sense if youre a villager but AHHHHH NOW IM CONCERNED" has reached 4 now? grrr lol

So last post before either saying "acknowleged" to your vote or voting myself:

The main corner case I am trying to solve here is ensuring the team is not you and ladd. The nightkills would track from this (rask over both of you, vanta over ladd, cape calling you a wolf, your insistence that visor is a villager all game) and the way ladd is unrelentingly villa reading you for the last two days would track too. (1% wolf read today). So I wanted to see if that was a question you had been considering because I think with all of your talkk of the voxx game being in your head today then villager you was already thinking about it given that was the big thing from that game. I only bring it up because its been talked about (and i get it again, apologies for my outburst last time it was wrong of me) but it struck me as really odd that you never even presented it in the thread. Was concerned, curious, etc.

It does sound like you had a pretty solid response lined up. If you said some form of "oh huh thats interesting idk" and started to backpedal again I was going to drudge siren pretty hard. With the way you answered and the way both ladd and visor have you as a villager though I think I'm good? After reading the jan case and jans vote on you on top of it.

Apologies for spooking you and I hope that made sense now that its been explained.

yeah i get it, i'm sure it's frustrating if you're a villager seeing me say that over and over lol

it makes sense from that line and it makes me feel better about it

i honestly dont even think i'd have to vote visor for him to go over if it was me/ladd here lol

also i prob just let you vote or something in that world

(acknowledged and accepted re the outburst at the time etc)

anyway i don't know how much i ever openly talked about this given i really never publicly postgamed anywhere idt but that was not, in fact, actually a thing i took away from that game lol

it actually did make sense for voxx to be alive in that f3 given the specific nuances of how that game played out, and i think that was still true even tho thinking it wasn't would have resulted in the right /conclusion/. as strange as it is to say i actually do think i process wise played that f3 pretty reasonably. there's a lot of layers that could be dug into to talk further on that but i need to finish reading d3 it's not the time lmao

i also do think the context of this game is diff in general in a number of ways

anyway


the more i read d3 the more strongly i feel that ladd should just be a villa and visor starts to fit more as a wolf

i had a moment at one stretch of fearing the sunbae/ladd world but there's a lot of weird stuff about that and also it is hard to imagine sunbae making that post/question he just did a bit ago here there in that world lol like why

the shape of the game also def kinda just fits/feels like ladd villa finding wolf visor so to speak

ladd just seems like the villager here

its def a bit weird how visor chose to play around jan when jan was gonna come in and claim the thing anyway but that just kinda is levels i think



ender, who do you think the wolves are? you have a lot of information fypov, especially assuming you just accept me as a villager (which you should)


58, last post before i vote, was gonna just vote in this post until ender got here

[Sunbae]

ok, its time gl us

vote: visor

if its wrong then sorry i assure you i tried and its a me thing not a you thing

[ladd]

Nah u got it right

[Sunbae]

59 whew

ladd im just gonna snap ender tomorrow if you are confirmed lissa villa assuming thats the f3 yeah?

[ladd]

59 whew

ladd im just gonna snap ender tomorrow if you are confirmed lissa villa assuming thats the f3 yeah?

Yea, i am not getting there on lissa if they are a wolf

But i really really dont think they are

[EnderWiggin]

I hade a post I thought saved but my computer restarted for an update while I was at work so now I'm just frustrated.

Long/short summary of what I remember is that who Sunbae is paired with possibly is more important than who is wolfier to me I think. I'm still nursing this idea about the w/w stuff I poked at for Ladd/Visor (I think Ladd being confident that him/visor couldn't have faked D3 is just kinda dumb. If they were sure Maple was going over setting up for F5 seems pretty natural of a follow on and I'm being a bit petty about being told I would be wolf if I really thought that.) but in the case that it's a w/v cross Sunbae is 99% the wolf for me. If it's Lissa I'm losing to Lissa every time I think.

So I had the thought earlier:
Who is most likely to be paired with Sunbae?

I had a bunch of quotes I poked through but there's a lot more interaction with Visor than Ladd today. (And there's a really sus post Sunbae makes about not being paired with Ladd that I did not follow at the time.)

Argument that Ladd/Me world does not exist: A total lack of team cohesiveness. If Ladd is a wolf then he is clearly playing a pro villa game where he is clearing villagers under concern while pushing Jan from the get go. However neither Jan nor I are playing in a similar way. If I'm a wolf I am being massively pro-wolf where I push Waza then Rask then Maple. Jan was not playing pro village in that instance either. Yet in this case Ladd would not have anything negative towards me when people have found me wolfy from the get go? That the game plan would be for Ladd to be pro-villa while I'm pro-wolf but never have anything in the first two days for Ladd to point to about me?

I don't think any of that holds water.

Wolves playing in disparate manners to muddle info and keep players guessing is like... commonplace? I rarely am in a team where all the wolves are pushing the same agenda, especially in a lobby this good.

But I do actually agree Ladd's Jan interactions are straight townier than Visor's. I can concoct bussing scenarios for Jan/Ladd, but it feels much more like I have to consciously say "that could have been wolf theatre/bussing" than with Visor/Jan. (And while I know Ladd is not at all shy of bussing a partner D1/D2, see Ender/Ladd when we were w/w together a while ago, usually I feel like there's more intent behind it.)

Re: Sunbae voice I just don't think he's had any post that properly reminds me of like this one from last game. Which is also a summary of their position and they have done that this game but idk what to say other than it vibes different.

Looking back at Visor/Sunbae interactions today vs Ladd/Sunbae interactions, however, I think the biggest and starkest difference I'm leaning more on is that Visor/Sunbae most often talk about other pairs (P#972 region for example) where Ladd/Sunbae have talked several times about Ladd's read on Sunbae and vice-versa (something that Visor/Sunbae don't really do).

[EnderWiggin]

ok, its time gl us

vote: visor

if its wrong then sorry i assure you i tried and its a me thing not a you thing

Oh. Hm. Acknowledged.

[Sunbae]

60.

Ok. Waza and Cape felt that way about lissa too when I reread (think cape called her the most villagery person in the thread). My work here is done/cards on the table now. If we win cool if not well damn got us. barring some weird world where you and i both live and i need to consider you/visor worlds. fwiw vanta saying they could swap from jan to visor plus those two plus rask saying he thought yo uwere villa plus my own read from yesterday was how I got to this conclusion.

I also want to point out that my extensive ender/lissa focus was because i found both you and visor villagery all day yesterday (before for visor, and you on d1) and was trying to figure out how the heck that could still be right. tried to concoct a scenario that made sense where jan/lissa/ender worked and it kept having holes when i poste about it.

I also also would like to point to my posting yesterday where I started at maple/ladd and then froze on rereading and shifted to ladd being the most villagery person in the thread and have you/lissa reread it along with my posts today where i was trying so hard to find ways to clear myself because i didnt think just voting right was enough and view all that together and hopefully yall can decide that im villa too.

if this is it for me, fun game. if not, see ya tomorrow. last post over and out

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Visor

I hope I am not being dumb.

[didistetter]

Visor has been hammered.


please stop posting!!! gemma will post flip when she's back