Kylo Ren's Banana Time Mafia

[Lissa]

to be clear

you shot him with the parting gift?

you're not a vig or anything?

mmmmmm

I'm the omegatrackervig9000 with extra sauce and several sides of garlic aioli.

Yes I shot Jan with the gun they handed me. Tbh I'm not at all sure why they gave me the gun in the first place.

what did he talk about in the chat?

Sparknotes was like:
We talked about EOD (Jan's "theory" was that Waza was a wolf-pushed EOD vote. Pointed towards you/Lissa. I had a debate about how I thought waza is a riskier save if you were going to commit to saving Lissa. It didn't really go anywhere.)
Jan tried to pitch the point that they had correctly been reading me as town even as everyone was stopping their townreads as a reason for them being town. (Which I'll be honest was like 75% of what convinced me I needed to shoot em lol)
I tried to get them to talk about Maple (Which they kinda did? But I was unimpressed and they refused to elaborate on why they didn't find the heavy omgus-y style as potentially wolfy when Maple did basically the same thing - aka "I'm only active when people poke me and I omgus real quick to make people not be super willing to push there easily." - in the last game they wolfed.)
Then they did the whole "I'm fine dying if you can't find me. Good luck." and then didn't respond to anything further after that.

to sort of break down the mechanical paths for myself
-give to a villager you kill, doesn't matter if you're a bomb and probably doesn't matter if they're a bomb. they kill you. both die, nobody poisoned, ender wolf claims kill (2:5 no poisons)
-give to a villager you don't kill (ender). matters if you're a bomb, doesn't matter if they're a bomb, probably doesn't matter if your kill target's a bomb. they kill you. you die, your killtarget dies, the villager might be poisoned. the villager claims the kill (2:5 may or may not have a poison/be mylo, janky mylo with other parting out there so village gets effectively an extra miskill still IF they hit this day, which is reasonable to expect to not happen since maple should die, unless she has the parting and people are willing to move for it)
-give to a wolf (ender). they kill you. matters if you're a bomb. doesn't matter if they're a bomb or if your kill target is a bomb. strictly worse than burying. (2:5 unless poison which could be effective 1:5)
-holster (didn't happen). doesn't matter if you're a bomb, matters if your killtarget is a bomb. (3:5 may or may not have a poison/be mylo. if poison, jan outed by it. otherwise, probably jan lim -> maple mislim. if no poison, the other parting gift is a free extra kill on a villager if this day is a hit; could be a wide range of benefit for the village. if maple has parting, actually kinda spicy for wolves maybe.)

didn't really tell me a whole lot further i just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something, really.

Ender: i've talked earlier about the lines regarding w/v re shooting jan and i am doing my best generally to ignore it at this point because it is a lot of WIFOM. i think his entry d1 was poor and was (to use lazy terminology) a kind of wolfy catchup. i don't mind him being focused on me d2, i get it, if someone is pushing you like that and they're wrong (or at least you have to affect that they are wrong) it makes sense, especially with some of his lines using the kind of emotive language that felt like actual frustration in some parts towards me. he has been hard to disentangle from ladd because of how ladd handled him but i think i agree with the points sunbae made yesterday and that it is a sloppy play if w/w, but if nobody has the time, sloppy plays are sometimes all that results. regardless, i think he posted well at sod (and then not at all apparently iirc?) and answered my questions in a quick enough fashion that i have some pause here. theres a lot of thoughts about potential lines re wolf/villa. i can see the potential gambit (there's a line where wolves are something like (ladd/maple) and ender where nobody has any time and they are just doing a gambit to win). in isolation i still don't like his d1 posts, his posts about maple are okay i guess. i need to ruminate more on his d2 i think

visor said this and i don't think he ever went anywhere with it, really

he definitely also defended sunbae in a /certain way/ but eh

anyway, i am at sunbaes ladd uturn

definitely feel like it is just sort of unnecessary and not that productive if he is a wolf, with ladd having really started latching onto visor

and visor seems... pretty uninterested in giving more than lip service to the ender being a wolf and jan shot a setup line

I'll be honest I barely remember EOD2 and had to go back to reread it to find out what you were talking about lol.

I remember the vote on Lissa was like it felt like Jan was being yeeted 100% at that point, and I felt like Lissa had posted some stuff I found sussish towards that EOD. Jan wasn't towny to me but I had a flash of "What if Jan is dealing with the thing I do where I'm mostly afk due to irl and get sussed due to recency bias" but also it was 90% "If I make the wagons more level we might see more interesting EOD movements."

(Also sometimes I just vote against my reads to make a more tense EOD, which definitely leveraged it.)

Tbh I did not properly understand Waza was in danger until the flip happened so that's 100% my bad because I think I would've probably saved em in the moment? I thought it was still Jan or Lissa at the end and was okay with either of them.

Though that's really kinda my word for it so feel free to discard.

okay this is the further explanation i was thinking of for enders vote

the thing is, i dont think him staying on that vote really feels like a fit here

i think the momentum had also kinda clearly gone away from me a bit, it was definitely a bit weird at the end

i mean i dont fault him for not reacting to wazas claim or anyhting like that, i froze up at it myself lol

but like

yeah

just kinda popping that vote on me and sticking on it is uh

i mean in the ender v world it does likely explain jan selecting there, but i feel like rask was a better choice (and also villagerier/more villa read so its higher value if jan is a bomb)

o

uh

if im on a team with jan/not ender here yeah prob

its like... handing the village a free extra kill since we were on evens... and letting the village avoid going to mylo... i don't think that'd be worth "maybe make people worry about ender from that lens but also maybe make people village read them"? seems not fuckin worth lol

i wonder how much knowing i had the n3 parting influenced this pov/bled into it

probably a bit too much not that it matters literally at all

also didnt really think through some weird nuances

anyway

also underestimated how valuable it was for wolves to have jan make it thru eod, i think, cause of the bombs. having jan alive to carry and not risking someone else to the bombs actually kinda huge. guess me moving off made more sense as a wolf than i thought LMAO also explains visor some. anyway

i think sunbaes d3 is very villagery both process and impact wise, clearing ladd there like that seems like an unnecessary and counterproductive line as a wolf

hmm yeah there's some of that too, but i will say that interacting in this game actually has been pretty hard at least for me so i don't know if that's necessarily as meaningful as it would generally be, the presence/time around spread has been pretty wide and there feels like a lot of ships passing in the night

but his like areas of focus just feel, idk.

he just feels off and i hate to make a read like this that i can't elaborate on because i know it is a royal pain in the ass to be wolfread for something like that and to try to respond to it/engage with it lol

idk maybe a little overly formulaic? there's just a desync to it all, that some of could come from the flow of this game, but it's like a lot of us are singing a song and he's singing well but he is singing it like 5 seconds delayed and a bit off key

i dont really understand why i thought this in retrospect, sunbae was way ahead of things rather than behind them lol if anything on d3

its funny to reread eod, lament not saving waza, then reread myself previously lamenting not saving waza

fuckin visor pocket

did anyone read this btw - idk what the point of posting my thoughts is if nobody is gonna say shit


re ladd: you literally townread sunbae d1 lol???

here i will quote your own posts for you:








(the last one isn't anything super noteworthy re sunbae v read, just figured i'd add it)

sure it wasn't like LOCK TOWN or anything, but you certainly didn't seem like you had compunctions about him d1

and then you didn't even read his posts of substance d2 self admittedly lol.

i feel like every time i point out a problem with your posting

re nk:

i agree that it is likely jan carried

lissa, ender can you please talk to me about both your issues with sunbae and your non issues with ladd?

what am i missing here?

obv i am not going to actually reply because i think i have like one post left but still

mm

meh

just frustrating i lost the whole main window i was gonna do shit today lol

whatcha gonna do ig

i think gth my villagers to win the game are raskol, visor, ender in that confidence order

mrg

wow i have been all over the place this game lol

funny post if ender w, but also pretty satisfying if i managed to both pull out of the visor pocket and fully flip my reads successfully to win the game

rask having every single antidote is funny as hell