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Enders posts today are ok and he responded quick enough when I asked about the chat though if he's a wolf they would've already discussed it so that's probably a moot point

What do you think of rask sunabe
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I'm trying to decide is this is a badchart.jpg read or a good observation but my initial take reading today is Rask coming in with a post about using my wall to say ender wolf and one of ladd/maple when the wolves know for a fact that ender killed jan is >>>rand villa for Rask. If rask is a wolf either Raskwolf knows villa Ender is gonna be clear so starting the day with Enderwolf makes little sense or Rask/Ender are together in one of the ploys I talked about in which case the plan is to send Ender deep and starting the day with Enderwolf makes no sense.

I also am making the note that Waza specifically thought I was wolfy in part because I couldn't get to Raskvilla and waza thought it was so obvious that it was weird I couldn't.
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i appreciate this read but i don't think its something that works for me
pretty quickly shifts to lightly shielding ender

there is some niggling things that make me slightly paranoid it is sunbae but i don't think they really hold real water, just a few things as i read visor/sunbae interact, but i don't really think they are... anything really, and at points it definitely feels like they aren't really aligned, feels at a few points like sunbae made a correct read and visor is just not interested in picking it up with him lol

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whats up with enders eod?

sunbae could totally be a wolf - if you make the argument i will listen. i thought he posted well d2 (and i'm not sure ive seen him post those walls as a wolf LOL)

also i think that big post is probably an important post to read lol

i sympathise with his reaction to village reading jan and feeling like he should've got there earlier but i do think that jan is a hard wolf to catch early so i might be putting my perspective too much into his then

i think he has posted better than you, frankly

rask is possible but i think now i have cooled my jets on him a little i think he is just having a shocker given how he has posted this day phase and i don't get the impression he is faking having a bad game, but ymmv on that read
i can't decide how to read the sunbae read in this post and it just kinda feels like a level to try so meh

just in general i feel like visor hasn't really talked much about a sunbae read either but

i think its probably moreso lowkey pocketing

i feel like even knowing ender has to have actually had jan use the parting on him/used the gun (actually, wait, that's probably not true and rask just had it flip because he didn't USE it that makes sense actually) but with that not being true, i think if you're using it on a villa you are not killing, you moreso go rask in the hopes he gets poisoned in the process or doesn't kill you given he's much villagerier than ender

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so why is it a problem that i had this read earlier than you lol????

wild
this ones pretty thin, but it feels like visor is annoyed he is being pushed for a correct read here lol

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reading the last page i do think hell world sunbae/visor is unlikely. unless they are doing some elaborate good cop vs bad cop ploy i don't feel those pages with me/visor/sunbae in it would happen the same way if they were w/w?

i am pretty locked in on visor/maple, it just makes ~everything fit for me (just a bit spooked by jan v list lissa posted and jan voting maple/visor in quick succession on eod2 but i think it's reasonable he was in anti spew given he had already claimed)

if i am wrong sorry, c'est la vie

second most likely team is probably sunbae/maple, then sunbae/visor and then sunbae/ender
i do think those interactions dont really feel partnered from sunbae/visor

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sure

I'd like to know what you thought of ladd's handling of me yesterday, specifically regarding me trying to get him to push maple (and him tangentially pushing them through me)

now i am aware this is heavy confirmation bias, but it felt to me like he was letting me basically go wild on that front, without actually being willing to dirty his hands with anythign surrounding maple

where do you stand on that, what were you thinking reading it?
this feels more like visor trying to get sunbae to wolfread ladd, than partnered interaction

sunbae just really isnt biting, he reads that and he doesn't try to bolster it OR try to play off it to distance he just goes off and starts casing a me/ender team lol

Quote Originally Posted by Visor View Post
why wouldn't i just.... post a read on my bro, if we were w/w?

its not like i haven't done that plenty on here before

i mean thats just not how i wolf, if i'm going to bus a bro, i'll bus him till he dies and I get the credit

if i was a wolf with jan i just kill him and ride the credit to winning the game
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given jans activity and ladds, it wouldn't be somethign that surprises me

particularly if ladd was a role that had the ability to either detect or prevent poison, but thats speculation territory lol and idk how tinfoilly i want to get in f5
and it definitely feels like visor is Actually trying to get sunbae to villaread him and wolfread ladd here

Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
I find you and Ladd villagery on posting still which is why Im struggling this game. Via posting I think you two are the villageriest two while mechanically/dealing with the deal wolf I think ender (killed)/lissa (push) are and I'm hung up in my "my vibes vs mechanics" torn viewpoints. I'm also baffled by how locked in both of you are on each other - you on him more given i think if you read his posts he's just been massively pro villa this game and you dont seem to have really considered that - but yeah. Part of me thinks both of you would have an easier time seeing the other as villagery as villagers so i also have a SMALL FEAR that its both of you.
and this just doesnt feel like a paired/distancing post, the way he talks about them being locked in on each other

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if ladd is a villager, then my self focused lens and inability to look past it has failed me yet again, and it would be incredibly frustrating to lose such a winnable game because i couldn't get out of my head regarding it. so i will listen ofc, its f5 i refuse to not reconsider things
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if i am being completely honest, i don't think i have played a more villagery game since.... god i don't know like 2022 or something lol (not that it has translated to being good at catching wolves apparently....)

i've actually had time to play this game for the most part and its been fun to play with you guys, but also a sad reminder of just how bad i am compared to where i used to be lol
again these feel like pocketing attempts moreso. it's very similar to the way visor was interacting with me a bit later on about hesitation to vote etc

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man i thought you would read my wall at the very least lol, i explained it there



reflecting on this in hindsight i think theres a lot of wanting lissa to be v but its what i felt at the time at least. i need to reread things again and get a feeling for the timing of how things played out
this feels like him not wanting to completely shut down concerns about me

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i dont know? the fact she has managed to find me as v makes me desperately want to believe her.

like my god i just want to believe lol.
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What if the plan was always to have Jan die?
and this just feels like trying to fan the flames of his tinfoil about that line

i have someeee tiny tinfoil about the timing of the interaction between this and the below but it'd really be like TOO transparently orchestrated if along those lines to be realistic, lol

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Oh I think I solved the game hold on
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The question that has been plaguing me since sod3 is “why did Jan give the gun to ender” and I haven't been able to figure it out. The missing piece popped into head just now skimming Lissa's earlier post: that she held the parting gift because she was afraid of using it if Maple was a villager and ending the game.

The part about holding the parting gift was the part I initially focused on because it confirmed to me that Jan could have held it and chose not to. Which really blew my mind given the fact that the wolves were about to be going to final 8 with 3 of them alive. That's one mischop left to win in a game where the village was all over the place and Maple was lined up as everyones most likely wolf. Even if Jan holstered it and people wanted to find him as outed for it he still gets chopped and then we kill Maple the next day and lose.

It made no sense to me and I've been going back and forth on it. The part that just clicked for me is that you have to submit your target before end of day. It's a day action.

Well now there becomes a logical option that explains everything. Jan submit the action before Waza died right at the last second via Cape's vote. In fact Jan told us when he submit: Post #649. Of course if Jan dies then his submission doesn't matter. But it matters a whole lot if he lives. Again it gives us a free miskill if he lives.

Unless.

A wolf dies anyways. Well then Jan sending to Ender makes sense because we're about to go to 6/2, NOT 5/3. And one of the two is Jan who just had to claim to save himself and is not long for this world.

The wagons when Jan submit in #649?

3 votes Jan
3 votes Lissa

and then lissa voted elsewhere to put herself in the lead.

Imagine if you will Jan expecting to either die or for Lissa, a teammate, to die. Sending the shot to Ender to go the distance is a hail mary but one that is perfectly logical. It's 6/2, he kills Jan to make 6/1 instead of chopping Jan we chop Maple, 4/1 and a lot of in fighting between ladd/rask/visor/myself. Nobody thinks its weird for Ender to live over any of them at end game. The path is set.

Then, surprise. Waza dies. It's 5/3 now. If we chop Jan next its 4/2. We sleep. Its 3/2 and really tight. Theyve had to make two night kills. Why not just take the sleep out of the way and get the maple chop through? Ender and Lissa are in great shape now if Jan dies (after all, they started bussing each other for after lissa died so they dont look paired).
i think sunbae's progression to here is extremely villagery

especially right out of... the post where he asked me for thoughts on a visor/ladd world lol

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IM GONNA WAIT FOR VISOR

(lol ok ok fine ill finally drop it)
this also just vibes unpaired lmao


in the maple eod, visors wall, he talks about ender and points out some problems but seems completely uninterested in actually going anywhere with it and basically openly punts... again

then goes back to like

not. talking. about ender

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i in fact did NOT solve the game earlier

(7 or 8 left, this is me noting it. if ender and lissa split their vote i can confirm im villa before bed and yall can spend the next day solving with a clear pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee itd be hype and i genuinely think its the best path to victory)
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I have re read jan and i feel he had every excuse to wolfread ender and did not

In fact he basically writes a mini case but then has him as top villa


If sunbae d1/d2 didnt exist, it would be so easy to just say the wolves are visor/ender gg

But with visor/jan being wolves sunbae s first ciuple of days just dont look great which is a shame cause i think he posted amazing d3/d4


Ender has eod2 which is pretty terrible otoh
and yeah this is the thing w/ jan too lol



as a side note, this is probably the chillest and most serene i have ever felt making a f3 decision as a villager

right or wrong, i feel okay with things and like i can see clearly and make a reasonable assessment based on them and feel good about it and okay if i get it wrong instead of being overwhelmed and stressed and unable to see anything clearly really

between general recent Character Development that's impacted how i deal with things like being wrong and how yesterday went