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    You may not disagree with me on this point, VG's can take on almost anything including heavy cavalry and a single unit of 60 can rout 400 saracen infantrymen, closest things to shoguns Kensais.
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    They are no doubt the best heavy infantry in the game, the best at delivering the coup de grace in a battle.

    But there are other types that are better at specifics, such as JHI and SAP in the anti-cavalry department and the Gallowglasses as flankers/chargers.
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    One day while bored I matched up the infantry heavywieghts. VG did indeed beat everything only I could not match them against SAP because of the different time periods. However, based on how each performed agaisnt the JHI, I think the SAPs would defeat VG.

    VG v. JHI - the VGs won but with only a few men left, about 7-10 I think.

    SAP v. JHI - blowout, 30-50 SAP still alive after the victory.

    I did each battle a few times and alternated control ofeach unit with AI. Like I said, I was bored
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    ok, actually, i'm thinking of modding vg to excellent attack and irresistble charge, ROFLMAO
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    And then making them impossible to beat hahahaha, you would need to change their description to something like: "The terrible norse in the servise of the Byzantine Empire have hone their skills in battle to the point of becoming impossible to beat. If you face them... run"
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    Nah... Almohad Urban Militia all the way baby.

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    I love them, had great success with them so far.
    They more than hold their own in battle.
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    Yeh they're great sp unit,sad to see them go in late age.

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    I've never even tried Varangian Guard before. Heck, I havn't even played the Byzantines yet Too busy playing the Almohads.

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    It seems to me that missles rip them up pretty good....which is good cause when they get close they kill anything and everything.
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    They take 4 turns to build with max unit size
    But jeez they shure do cut their way through enemies
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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    ok, actually, how DO you a unit's description?
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    In the main MTW directory on your computer where you installed the game there is a folder called "LOC" in it is the folder "ENG", within is the file called "Descriptions"

    write what you want in there provided you follow the pattern for putting a description in.
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    thank you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    China is not a world power. China is the world, and it's surrounded by a ring of tiny and short-lived civilisations like the Americas, Europeans, Mongols, Moghuls, Indians, Franks, Romans, Japanese, Koreans.

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    yea - i really dig them - especially the fact that they are viking units
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    yep Vang gaurd are the best just as pavise arbs are at missiles and jhi are at spears and lancers at cav
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    i could swear by the end of the high age,i subdued north africa ,eastern europe,iberian peninsula and most of germany except poland(becuase i'm sympathetic to them)with Varangians.they are sooo powerful,only the fool wood go face-to-face against them.only units that can defeat them hand to hand are lancers and gothic knights.



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    Well the toughest unit I have come across is the Swiss Armoured Pikeman, much tougher than Varangian Guards who died fast to the arrows of my Horde

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Orda Khan @ Feb. 09 2003,15:08)]Well the toughest unit I have come across is the Swiss Armoured Pikeman, much tougher than Varangian Guards who died fast to the arrows of my Horde

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    SAP's are in fact the strongest inf unit...only if u can flank them....
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    no saps ain't strong,i just used a 0 honour unit of halberdiers against them,they got cut to peices.
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    halbreds are grand, but varagians are better... too bad they are expensive and only 60 men
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    Well, every unit has some weakness...Halberdiers have very good defense and armor, so if you charged their flank even if they didn't die very fast your Halberdiers would lose very few men, and would outlast them...dunno if that's the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]too bad they are expensive and only 60 men
    Then you need to try playing at max unit size

    120 varangians all in a row...

    Of course, you have to deal with 80 strong heavy cav, 200 strong spears etc and 120 strong shock/melee troops...
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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    I have to say I'm disappointed with Swiss Halberdiers. They seem utterally useless. Small unit size... and they die like flys.
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    VG are a awesome unit. I usually have one as my general.

    Used with Byzant Infantry and a few cv units and they wipe the floor with most enemies.

    When a typical Byzan army formation is deployed - ie you place them as a reserve unit, they had that extra punch on flanking and a heavy weight to punch most defenses open.

    An all round most excellent unit
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    "no saps ain't strong,i just used a 0 honour unit of halberdiers against them,they got cut to peices?"

    So SAP are weaker then halberdiers? Did u let them use their rank bonus?
    Find it hard to believe that SAP win from JHI but loose from Halberdiers?

    And who wins this:

    Swiss Halberdiers versus normal Halberdiers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]VG are a awesome unit. I usually have one as my general.
    Really? I use whatever has the biggest number of stars and thats nearly always an heir or ex heir...
    maybe those guys should be doing something more useful...

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    I believe he's refering to MP where your gen doesn't have stars just a big flag so that the enemy artillery know what to aim for

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Citera[/b] (kaaskop @ Feb. 10 2003,15:18)]I believe he's refering to MP where your gen doesn't have stars just a big flag so that the enemy artillery know what to aim for
    lol, thats also a way to put it =)
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    I did mean MP

    In SP as you stated I also have highest unit as general.
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