About discipline..

[Jon von]

I know it's an old topic, can you give me a link please? Or repeat to me what are the differences between discipline and morale?
thanks cheers

[A.Saturnus]

Morale is a value that decides wether a unit runs away or not. Every unit has a base morale value, added to that are boni from valour (2 for every point of valour, but only "true" valour, not the valour the general`s command rating gives), from buildings (like church), the general`s v&v`s and situations, and mali from v&v`s and various battle conditions.
Discipline has to do with unit cohesion (wether the unit formation breaks or so - don`t know very well about that). Also units with the stat "disciplined" aren`t paniced from death of general or routing friends who aren`t disciplined or elite.

[Jon von]

How does the honour value change a unit stas? Does a +1 honour value influence only the morale value of the unit (+2)? Or does it change other parametres (melee, defence, others) ?
If I got buildings that give the unit a +2 morale in my province, does the unit automatically start with a +1 honour bonus?

[Kraxis]

It is Valour now... Honour was in STW.

a Valour adds 1 attack and defense and 2 Morale. But if you get +2 Morale from a building then you won't get another Valour as it would need the other parameters better too. And no the unit won't be higher in Valour when you upgrade Armour, weapons and Morale.

[pdoan8]

Discipline also has something to do with impetious charge or charge without order, common for Knight units and some other elite units. For those undiscipline impetious units, it is very hard to get them to disengage.

Military College give +1 discipline.

[Michael the Great]

Hmmm I dunno about this....Nubian Spearmen are disciplined but it happened many times for them to run before making contact with the enemyes....

[Rowan11088]

That's the point, discipline has nothing to do with running away, in fact almost the opposite. Morale dictates if a unit will rout, those spearmen obviously had low morale at the time of seeing the enemy. The discipline they have means that after they start fighting you can easily get them to disengage from the enemy, and that the won't charge without orders. It may also affect whether or not routing units that are undisciplined and not elite will scare them into routing or losing morale.