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    These new units what are the costs going to be?mongal cav is this going to be the elite fighting machine?or have EA put some tricks up their sleaves.........but make a mega game
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    I think these are right:

    Battlefield Ninja 600
    Kensai 600
    Ashigaru Xbowmen 100
    Naginata Cav 450
    Mongol Javelineers 375
    Mongol spearmen 200
    Korean Guardsmen 350
    Thunder Bombers 400
    Mongol LightCav 500
    Mongol HeavyCav 600

    I think the prices are for both Single Player and Multiplayer games.

    Bear in mind that, playing as mongols, you can't train units. You loot regions and send the gold back to the Khanate and a number of reinforcements turn up depending on how much gold you acquired that year.


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    I doubt that you can pick what type of reinforcments you will recieve...........

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    so you loot regions,how does that work?
    can you then pick your units?(vanger)

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    by the way a big thanks!!!Target....
    i knee before your great wisdom!!!

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    Looting works by taking a region by force, and is done automatically at the same time as the destruction of buildings. All clans loot when they take a region by force. The amount of cash looted is dependent upon how rich the province was before it was invaded ( i.e. decent farm income and number and type of buildings it had ).

    Looting is the only source of income for Mongols - they're not interested in ruling provinces, only pillaging them. As a result, you can't construct unit manufacturing buildings - the only way you can get extra men is from reinforcements when you send your pillaged loot back to the Golden Khanate.

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    Muhaha, kneel before Remedy Entertainment!

    Ahem.

    With Target-dono's gracious help, I am glad to finally declare the "guess the unit costs" contest in the Place your bets thread closed! Of course, as in all good contests, the result is debatable: Whitey-san, who originally started the thread, has the smallest total deviation from the real costs, but that's only because he refused to post a cost for the Kensai. If we factor in the penalty for an average Kensai deviation, the victory passes narrowly to our very own Shiro-san.

    Interestingly enough, everyone's guess for the price of the Kensai at least 300 koku off - and all of them *upwards*.

    Equally interestingly, I and several others assumed the Korean Spearmen would equal Ashigaru and thus cost the same (100 koku in SP with 60 man units), but they don't - they actually cost the same as YS. Either this is indicative of their combat effectiveness, or the Mongols are getting ripped off.

    Edit: Good thinking, Sherlock.

    Originally posted by Target in another thread: Quote With that in mind, the Korean Spearmen, whilst priced at the same cost as the YariSams are less effecive in battle. [/QUOTE]

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    Xbowmen what use are these guys going to be?
    seems to me their weapons will be to pearce heavy armour?

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    Question for Target: could you please confirm that all Clans can loot provinces now? How much Koku can I expect??
    Very cool feature, that was one of the things I wanted!!

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    All clans loot provinces. I think the loot you get is calculated from the cost of downsizing building levels. Something like (value of building before downsizing - value of building after downsizing)/2. If you want to get lots of cash quickly, successfully invade a region with lots of expensive buildings in it.
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    Nice feature about japanese being able to loot u guys kept that 1 up your sleeve :-)


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    Quote Originally posted by HATAMOTOKILL:
    Xbowmen what use are these guys going to be?
    seems to me their weapons will be to pearce heavy armour?

    [/QUOTE]Anybody tested these guys?



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    Quote Originally posted by HATAMOTOKILL:
    Originally posted by HATAMOTOKILL:
    Xbowmen what use are these guys going to be?
    seems to me their weapons will be to pearce heavy armour?

    Anybody tested these guys?

    I tried them out once... they blew chunks! I figured they *might* be able to sting the mongols... nah! That leaves the japos out-missled, as they have no guns to rely on anymore! What's a japo to do? Die like the rest...


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    In campaign at least then, mongols will not get hordes of hev cav, but multiplayer is different me thinks.

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    Vanya, u said they can't rely on guns anymore, does that mean that There are no longer arquebusiers or musketeers?
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    No bloody guns!!!How u stop the mongols!rrrrrrr we all die.

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    Hato, I like the new Owl much better, LoL.
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    In the Mongol Campaign there are no guns. Well known fact. They didn't have the at that time.

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    Jaguar: u said they can't rely on guns anymore, does that mean that There are no longer arquebusiers or musketeers?

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    Quote Originally posted by Target:
    I think these are right:

    Battlefield Ninja 600
    Kensai 600
    Ashigaru Xbowmen 100
    Naginata Cav 450
    Mongol Javelineers 375
    Mongol spearmen 200
    Korean Guardsmen 350
    Thunder Bombers 400
    Mongol LightCav 500
    Mongol HeavyCav 600

    I think the prices are for both Single Player and Multiplayer games.

    Bear in mind that, playing as mongols, you can't train units. You loot regions and send the gold back to the Khanate and a number of reinforcements turn up depending on how much gold you acquired that year.

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    Cool, thank you very much for the info!
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    Well finally some people may be forced to learn the tactics in this game. It's about bluddy time!!! [/B][/QUOTE]San learning fast! so beware... Knight Owl




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    Quote Originally posted by Jaguar:
    Hato, I like the new Owl much better, LoL.
    [/QUOTE]Has anybody seen ma Parrot?
    Magy u did didn't u?shoot my parrot......
    Somebody arrest that man.Take away his bow!lol



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    The Crossbow Ashigeru aren't that bad, but don't expect battle turning results for a 100 koku 60 man unit. Their rate of fire is kinda slow but can inflict alot of casualties. They fire directly so you can't line friendlies in front of them without risk. IMO they can be a nice compliment for your SA.

    You can't get guns in the Mongol Invasion timeframe since the Europeans did not arrive until much, much later.

    As for the Mongol HC they are quite powerful and have killed practically any cav unit I've thrown at it though I haven't used Naginata cavalry yet. YC seem to do decently early on but the MHC will come roaring back.

    The best counter I've so far had against the MHC is raining arrows on them but the best way is to somehow get your YS involved. Naturally this means holding in a closed formation. The blazing speed of the MHC can be a problem.

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    ummmthxs for that. Warmaker.
    what the ninja's like?nobody posted any info on them that i can find.


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