Bad Heir day...

**Jampe** · 12-27-2002, 19:35

Well first of all- hi

I was just wondering if anyone knew for sure whether MTW followed any sort of bloodline system, ie strong kings have strong heirs?

I'm playing as the Spanish and my first three Kings and heirs were 7-9 command with reasonable other attributes and I regularly used my king as a general, as he was easily the best I had and to boost his command and hopefully pass this on to his heirs. However my new heir (forgotten his name, let's just call him Prince George Dubyah

) has 0 command and is a chinless wonder to boot.

So, does anyone know if this is just a freak (literally), the game generates heir's stats randomly or has the fact that my kings have never married foreign princesses got something to do with this inbred idiot?

Jampe

**Exile** · 12-27-2002, 19:45

I've heard here on this forum that the king does influence the bloodline. I'd agree with that from my experiences playing the game. I have also heard many times that marrying princesses has nothing to do with quality of heirs. Even with a great king, you do get a dud heir now and then. I suggest you arrange an 'accident' for the chinless heir if he has a more worthy younger brother.

A suicide attack (my favorite) or some assassins/inquisitor will do.

**Gregoshi** · 12-27-2002, 21:43

Jampe welcome to Org - the MTW equivalent to chin and tonic.

I assure you most of us hear have chins and those that don't hide it with beards.

Royalty was brutal back then sometimes you must play the game that way too. Your eldest son is a whacko? Whack him Of course, I don't. I take care of every son, even the loons...oh no I haven't a chin

Oh yeah, I do have a beard though...whew

**Geoffrey_FiztRogers** · 12-28-2002, 02:19

well so far when I have a bad king I just leave him behind to make more babies while the princes go out and play with the big boys.

**MacGregor** · 12-28-2002, 02:34

I was asking about this before. Apparently if you have a King with high command 8 or so his heir could have 10 command, but since there's no 10 it comes out as zero, and you get screwed. Happened to me on a few campaigns.

**Jampe** · 12-28-2002, 15:40

Ahhh...thanks MacGregor- that kind of makes sense, as long as it's the game screwing up and not me

**SmokWawelski** · 12-28-2002, 18:25

It loos like some AI nations are prone to gradual degeneration, and their Kings over time became worse and worse... Maybe there is something to the notion that you have to look with whom do you mix your genes

**HopAlongBunny** · 12-29-2002, 06:36

I usually send problem heirs off to deal with well fortified positions...alone. They either die, get captured (oops, can't afford the ransom), or get some cool v&v's to offset their lack of a chin.

**ToranagaSama** · 12-29-2002, 17:52

I think its a case of if you have a great King and use him primarily as your War general, and don't use his heir in war, and raise his valour and v&v, then when he becomes King his attributes are a bit less than what they could have been.

Again use this King a your primary war general and neglect to develop his heir, then when he becomes king, his attributes are a good bit lesser than what theyc could have been.

Eventually, you get the chinless wonder or worse.

Samething happened to me in my present Campaign, Great King gradually lead to chinless wonder. So, I've been experimenting to see if I can produce a great king. So far, I believe its working, but its slow and gradual. After a couple of chinless, I know have a king with only secret perversion or something. I'm hoping his heir will be The One...

JFYI, p.72 of the manual has a paragraph on Breeding which mostly advises to marrying heirs quickly.

**Jeroen Hill** · 12-29-2002, 21:02

I send pervert heir's off to battle a major army....alone with his 19 royal knights.

**Edible, Amir of the Egg** · 12-29-2002, 21:35

I got an heir with a secret perversion but i thought that stopped him from making more heirs. Does somebody get him drunk and into bed with his wife?

**Theodoret** · 01-01-2003, 11:43

I've had pervert Kings as well. They still seem to produce heirs (presumably via the turkey baster method), but they are not as virile as the hetero Kings. My present Sultan is a pervert but that doesn't seem to have stopped him producing four heirs, most of which are 5 and 6 star generals (currently on Mongol repulsion duties).

**All_the_Sultan's_horses** · 01-01-2003, 12:49

Hmmm. once as the Turks i had a Sultan and up to 7 princes, some his brothers, the rest his sons, and they collectively did not even have 4 stars among them.

i do, however, have an ex-prince with 6 stars, and a general with 7 stars. I think its not too bad just cos yr royals are imbeciles, as long as there are still capable and loyal generals. and best of all, non-royals never die

**jms** · 01-01-2003, 13:39

Sometimes it does, sometimes not
Ive been playing the polish for a while and I got a King who was mad, and he had three mad sons. One of them was also heretic, and he had a heretic son.

But sometimes your sons don't inherit anything.