Playing a post-patch Italian Hard campaign, the Byzzies had the eastern 1/3rd of the map sewn up until the Hoarde came thru and tore them up. By the time the Hoarde was done with 'em, the Byzzies were lucky to hold on to the 5 or so provinces they retreated to. Lucky for the Byzzies the Hungarians got the attention of the Hoarde. Needless to say, the Byzzies didn't think the Hoarde was a cakewalk