Medieval Mod IV v1.5

[Elmo]

I've been lurking here for quite a while but finally decided to sign up and post after stumbling across WesW's mod in The Dungeon. I played MTW for a while but gave up on it after seeing there would only be one patch. This is not another why no more patch? threads although I'm not buying any more Activison/CA products if they don't provide better support for MTW.

Anyway, I tried to post in The Dungeon but had to read the fine print after getting a message that I can't get there from here. Would one of the mods please cross post this for me to the subject thread in The Dungeon?

WesW asked: A question for Old Templar and others to consider: What is the primary reason you play the game? I think most all of us would say that it is to enjoy a challenging game set in a historical context. But which is more important, if those two features come into conflict, the challenge or the history? I hope you would choose the challenge if forced to decide.

My answer is that I bought and played this game mainly to get a sense of history for the time period. Strict play balance and/or making every faction equally playable is secondary to me. If the Danes were historically a weak faction at the start of the Early period then so be it, they should be weak in the game in that time period. If some other faction is very strong in that time period then I wouldn't want them watered down just to make them more of a challenge to play. FWIW that is my take on the subject.

I'm going to try our WesW's mod. Sounds like it will fix some of the things that are still broken with this game. Now all we need is a mod to fix the support attitude bug at Activision/CA.

Elmo

[Gregoshi]

Hi Elmo. I'm glad you finally decided to take the plunge and sign on.

I've copied you response into the thread in the Dungeon.


BTW, your account name, will probably confuse some people because another (well known) patron here, ElmarkOFear, goes by the nickname Elmo. Just thought I'd give you warning if you start wondering why others respond to your posts in an odd manner.

[Elmo]

Ok, thanks for the cross post. Hopefully I will pass muster soon in case somebody replies to me over there.

I used Elmo in another forum where ElmarkOFear hung out and we had to clarify our identities there too. It's a nickname I've had for years and used in other forums so I used it here out of habit. Maybe I should make a pic of the Sesame Street character in plate armor for my signature.

[FearofNC]

welcome to the org... im sure uglyelmo wont mind

*tickels elmo*

[ElmarkOFear]

Yes, I am the UglyElmo . . you must have gotten the looks in the family and uh, I got the uh . . the uh. . well . . ok I didn't get a darn thing LOL Welcome again Elmo, hope you find it to your liking here at the org.

[Elmo]

Thanks for the welcome guys. There is no such thing as an Ugly Elmo Now Kermit is a different matter...

[Elmo]

Can a mod please cross post this in WesW's thread in The Dungeon?

WesW wrote: Hmmm...., so Elmo is not tickled by my attitude? Well, I don't necessarily have anything against a weak faction, which could give a challenge to those who win too easily otherwise, but playing the Danes was boring, too, which is the cardinal sin for a game, imo. (And if it's boring to a Civilization enthusiast, (me) it's boring by just about anyone's standards.)

WesW

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I certainly don't have anything against your attitude or your mod. I've downloaded it, studied the charts and text, and intend to start playing it this weekend.

IMO play balance is an illusion. What would be balanced for a noob like me would be a cake walk for the veterans here. You'll never please everyone with balance. Then again it is your mod so the only one you really need to please is you

As I said, I play for the sense of history. There are plenty of fantasy strategy games and those should always strive for balance since they have no need to model history. However a historical game should set me up with the same problems the Danes or any other faction actually faced within the limits of the design. If your take is that the Danes in MTW are too weak compared to their real life counterparts then by all means put your interpretation of history on them in your mod. I only hope that you err on the side of history in your decisions so you don't turn it into a fantasy game.

Elmo

[Hosakawa Tito]

I pasted your reply to the Dungeon Elmo. I have a feeling you'll be free to participate there yourself real soon.

[Elmo]

Thanks. As a fellow New Yorker (Albany) I appreciate it.

[Elmo]

Could a mod please post this in WesW's thread in The Dungeon?

Toronaga Sama

Thanks for your comments. I don't want to hijack WesW's thread for a generic game vs simultion debate although I would be happy to have that discussion in another thread. I think WesW has made changes which make MTW a better simulation and a better game. The two are not mutually exclusinve in my mind.

Simon Appleton

I'm playing as the Turks. We're at war with the Egyptians and have fought a few battles. I believe the Egyptians are making more than just peasants although it is hard to seperate what they are building from what they start with. I didn't keep strict track of it but I have been fighting a good mix of troops in my battles so far. FWIW I think peasants have a place in the game, especially now that WesW has made them lower maintenance.

Elmo

[Hosakawa Tito]

Hi Elmo, since you've been promoted to SP you are free to post this there yourself now. Head on over to the Dungeon and jump right in.

[Elmo]

Good news, and thanks