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    When defending against the Mongols, the Japanese start the game with yari ashigaru in the field but can not raise them at spear dojos. Only YS are available.

    Why is that? A goof perhaps?

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    All I know is that it's supposed to be that way (it was an intentional choice by the game designers). Why? Not sure. Perhaps to make rooms for other unit types (I would not be surprised if the game engine was limited in this way).

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    the absence of the facility to produce yari ashigaru serves only to enhance the value of mongol cav
    with their speed of foot ashi are very useful in co-operation with slower yari at cornering and heading off MLC enabling the yari to close in for the kill
    by taking away the abilty to reproduce ashi, once they are gone its much harder to hunt and surround the mongol light cav in particular
    a wise but somewhat devious ploy by the games designers methinks

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    I am quite sure that the reason for it is that virtually the only armed troops at the time were the samurai, and not the general populace.

    I believe that the inclusion of some Ashi H2H troops are meant to represent those peasants who take up arms in order to fight the horde, but that the peasants cannot be conscripted to defend Japan.

    Hope this makes some sense.

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    Quote Originally posted by Obake:
    ...I believe that the inclusion of some Ashi H2H troops are meant to represent those peasants who take up arms in order to fight the horde, but that the peasants cannot be conscripted to defend Japan.

    Hope this makes some sense.

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    sure that makes sense
    but then you CAN train ashigaru but only in the art of crossbow firing
    why get rid of spears and let us only get xbows?

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    bet you a spear is easier to kill stuff with then an x-bow... like thrusting and stuff doesn;t take an Einstein... wouldn't a bunch of peasants make it to battle faster and wouldn't they cost less... a pointy piece of wood is much cheaper then a crossbow!

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    Quote Originally posted by Obake:
    I am quite sure that the reason for it is that virtually the only armed troops at the time were the samurai, and not the general populace.

    I believe that the inclusion of some Ashi H2H troops are meant to represent those peasants who take up arms in order to fight the horde, but that the peasants cannot be conscripted to defend Japan.

    Hope this makes some sense.

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    Hmmmm, I may be wrong, but I've always been under the impression that the disarming of the peasantry took place under the Tokugawa Shogunate and prior to that armed peasants and warriors were not a rarity.

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    I tend to agree with Yoko Kono here, i thinks it's developpers trying to balance things out.
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    I believe its this morale issue again target said that the jap units practically bolted when they saw mongol units that is why they raised the morale right across the board, perhaps they couldent raise the ashi morale without unbalancing them or something.......


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    I can just see it, MHC just trotting across the map, come over a hill and suddenly all the Ashigru pegging it, the devs must have laughed their heads off
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    Algesan, the disarmament of the peasantry took place just before the Edo period (around the end of the original campaign), but their armament originally occurred during the late Namb˘kucho and early Sengoku period, between the Mongol invasions and the original campaign. Ashigaru were (virtually) unknown during the Heian and Kamakura periods.
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    Quote Originally posted by Anssi Hakkinen:
    Algesan, the disarmament of the peasantry took place just before the Edo period (around the end of the original campaign), but their armament originally occurred during the late Namb˘kucho and early Sengoku period, between the Mongol invasions and the original campaign. Ashigaru were (virtually) unknown during the Heian and Kamakura periods.[/QUOTE]

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