reinforcements vote

**DoCToR** · 08-23-2001, 18:59

Hach, thought i'd use your template for the reinforcements debate too....

The replies on this thread will be collated and added onto Hach's patch thread but for simplicity i have kept seperate. I expect mostly North Americans to reply at first and the Europeans to reply in the coming weeks.I cannot even vote yet as i have yet to play the game.Also please don't vote if under the age of 18!(just kidding)

I want a vote on the reinforcements issue.
Please post just a single letter answer and not long saga as this can be posted in the other reinforcements threads.

Do you:

EDIT:
(A)Prefer the old reinforcements method of STW in it's entirety and want the new game to have the reinforcements method of the original game.

(B)Prefer the new reinforcements method and want the new game reinforcements method left untouched.

(C)Want neither but some sort of happy medium between the 2. For example, One way in SP and another in online KOTH? Or normal starting position for reinforcements on river battles and random in other battles!

(D) Reinforcements appear anywhere in your "half" of the map and on river provinces only on your side of the river.

(E) Reinforcements remain as they are but when routed run off the nearest side of the map, not solely your starting side!

NB If you feel you wish to change yer votes, please just edit yer posts

DOC

Edit: Doc freaks out Hach with his editing skills

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**BSM_Skkzarg** · 08-23-2001, 19:01

C

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**QuietWolf** · 08-23-2001, 19:02

I want them to appear at my start location ... or to be able to pick where they come in ... a general always controls where his rein's show up during a battle.

**Algesan** · 08-23-2001, 19:08

C still.

E for SP
B for KotH

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**hach** · 08-23-2001, 19:14

A C OR C Wolf mate

Hach

**hach** · 08-23-2001, 19:15

Duh A B or C

Sorry

**hach** · 08-23-2001, 19:16

Regarding category C i take it to mean that perhaps you may have random reinforcement on KOTH games'but not in Campaign mode.

**hach** · 08-23-2001, 19:29

Forget my last post guys.

Been a long morning.

Hach

**monkeydan** · 08-23-2001, 19:59

C

**ishikawa2** · 08-23-2001, 20:25

Given ONLY those 3 choices, I guess my opinion falls under "C".

For the record, my full opinion is at http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001906.html and is sumamrized as follows:

Suggested correction (presumably VERY easy): Appearance of reinforcements should be limited to the player's original "half" of the battlefield.

NOTE: If a river is positioned in such a way that the "back half" of the battlefield actually includes a small bit of territory on "my" side of the river, **I** would accept that occasionally enemy reinforcements could arrive on "my" side. (I gather that many players might disagree with me on this.) In any case, I would think that the probability of this event would be rather low, with reinforcement entry points pretty much evenly distributed around the total available perimeter.

EDIT: ----RESPONSE TO QUESTION REVISIONS-----
WARNING: I fear that the inclusion of "routing behavior" issues in a debate/discussion/vote on "reinforcement arrival" may greatly muddy the waters. I think it might be better if the "routing behavior" issue was completely separate.

Based on the choices as currently stated,
please record me as a "D"
(D) Reinforcements appear anywhere in your "half" of the map and on river provinces only on your side of the river.
...However, as originally stated, I could personally live with a situation where enemy reinforcements could (rarely) appear on "my" side of the river, but still on "their half" of the battlefield.

P.S. I assume that "KOTH" refers to the new "King Of The Hill" mode of play? If so,
I have no opinion.

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**Erado San** · 08-23-2001, 20:40

Again, fully agree with Ishikawa.

Don't have experience on KOTH battles.

**DragonCat** · 08-23-2001, 20:56

C

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**hach** · 08-23-2001, 21:08

Doctor i don't want to make a mess of your thread'but perhaps a (D) may be necessary

D In Campaign mode reinforcements can appear from anywhere that was in the players half at start of play wether it be the rear or sides'but never in what was the opposing players half.KOTH may prove an esception.

Option (A) to clarify is as in STW and reinforcements can only appear from the rear edge.

What do you think Doctor?
If you agree then some people may want to change their original votes'but i can count to 10'so may just cope.Please donm't vote for (D) until Doctor says it is ok as it is his thread.

Either that or we make my text in this post the new option (C)

Hach

**hach** · 08-23-2001, 21:09

Sorry guys

Bad spelling day.
If you do edit my text will you change esception to exception.

Hach

**Pachinko** · 08-23-2001, 21:45

C

**DoCToR** · 08-23-2001, 22:19

Yes, good idea Hach...C really covers a little too much in too vague a manner doesn't it?!

So add in:

(D) Reinforcements appear anywhere in your "half" of the map and on river provinces only on your side of the river.

(E) Reinforcements remain as they are but when routed run off the nearest side of the map, not solely your starting side!

If you feel you wish to change yer votes, please just edit yer posts

thanks,

DOC

**edRonin** · 08-23-2001, 22:29

D with the stipulation that once reinforcements start to arrive they always come from that point on the map. This will do 2 things, it will prevent you from having to search all over the map for reinforcements coming from different points. Plus the reinforcements will be grouped so that they actually have a shot to do some damage.

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**Alastair** · 08-23-2001, 23:34

I like edRonin's suggestion. So D with them always coming from the same side of the map at once.

**TakeshidaSo** · 08-23-2001, 23:41

As you can see from the lengthy discussions everyone who has the right, or opportunity to vote, doesnt always understand what he's voting for. Every election allows a period of campaigning, so that the most logical policies, and most believable people are given a chance to win over the masses. A vote, without supporting reason and fair debate, is a mindless vote. It is too early to hold an election, therefore, I abstain.

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**Shiro** · 08-24-2001, 00:24

D

**monkeydan** · 08-24-2001, 00:30

Now I would say "D"

**Gregoshi** · 08-24-2001, 02:13

edRonin's version of D - all reinforcements come from the same location.

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**ishikawa2** · 08-24-2001, 02:15

LOL at TakeshidaSo !! I appreciate your cautious approach. But, as you can see by my post above, the "ballot box" can be re-opened, and even used to contribute to the debate!

Caution is certainly advisable, since our European brethren have yet to gain much experience with the new version's behavior.
Therefore, I would expect that the current discussion/opinion poll process would continue for a fair amount of time to allow them to fully participate.

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**DarthGuru** · 08-24-2001, 03:56

I would say E but im not sure thats possible... so I say D

**Jackson** · 08-24-2001, 04:01

C

**Koga No Goshi** · 08-24-2001, 04:18

D

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**The_battlefield_geisha** · 08-24-2001, 04:37

E.

I like the new reinforcements, its more of a challenge (just what SP needs). My only problem is the way they rout that inflicts needless casualties on themselves.

It would also be nice if in say 20% of cases reinforcements arrived in a formation. As it is its too much like paratroopers scattered in the wind. At least once in a while they should have their act together and form a real threat to your rear.

**TakeshidaSo** · 08-24-2001, 05:59

I live in America so I well know that people who have a great democracy and free elections can still see; ballot boxes stuffed or stolen, ballots fondled or mutilated, and voters attempting to vote as many times as they can. You can see from activity here that people will vote for two candidates, or write in votes expecting you to interpret them, AND YOU WILL. Especially troubling is the premature attempt at projecting a winner, or announcing a winner before the polling places have even closed. You also have added a new twist by expecting that people who change their minds, maybe from finally thinking about it, will actually correct the vote of their initial impressions. This is all on top of a lack of any time to campaign. I continue to abstain.

**A Nerd** · 08-24-2001, 06:48

I think the reinforcement system may be unrealistic, but as for playability and variation it is quite good. I wouldn't change it, but perhaps allow for an option to change it from current to previous.

**BSM_Skkzarg** · 08-24-2001, 06:57

TakeshidaSo

You voted for Gore didnt you? ROFL joking mate! Seriously, let this vote go - consider it a primary.

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