Request to Community

[Lord Krazy]

I have nearly 90 free unit slots
waiting to be filled in with new units.

I would like you guys to submit
the name and weapon of a unit or
units of choice so I can release a mod
with 90 new units that you picked
I would prefer to do this then
choose them all myself.
It would be better to let you guys pick anyway so if you have a unit you
want to see in the game or at least
in my mod PLEASE let me know.
First serve first come or something like
that.

I will be posting two new units later.
It will be a musket unit
and a musket with bayonette
no new battelfield lbm icon
or info_pic or unit model yet
but the res will be new
and bad as it is a test unit
to play around with.
They will not be perfect
but neither am I and I made
them.

Lord Krazy

[Stefan the Berserker]

Things I would like to have:

Foresters - Woodmen with doubled-axe and a Robin Hood Style Suit + medium Armor.

Puzta Riders - Horse Archers for Hungarians.

"Schwertlanzer" - Pikemen with "Euro-Naginata" and heavy Armor. Nice for killing Knights! (Real Unit programmers forgot!)

Skirmisher Cavallary - Light Cavallary throwing Spears.

[Kraellin]

i'd like to see some pitchfork peasants, some real rabble. maybe some small scythes, cudgels, clubs. surely all these armies werent as well equipped as the game depicts.

K.


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[Wellington]

Mounted pistolier would be very nice LK.

Any change of a Slinger! I've been looking at this possibilty and it look's f*****g hard to do!!

[hectogg]

new units

i like to see:

Avar light cavalry (lance)
scotish archer bow)
Avar Heavy Cav (Lance)
timur Heavy cav (mongol heavy cav)
timur light cav (mongol light cav)
sicilian mercenary (bow)as German units
murabatin spain mercenary (as spain service)
Magyar Light Cav (lance)
scandinavian archer
Norman Heavy Cav (feudal knight)
saxon fryrdmen (lance+round shield)
norman archer
rus warrior (axe and spearman shield)
asiatic Heavy Cavalry (lance)
georgian cavalry (lance)
seljuk horse archer
viking bondi (axe+round shield)
ottoman handgunner
wallachian light cavalry (bow)
syrian christian archer
Bulgarian Heavy Cavalry (lance)
flemish pikemen
scotish pikemen
morish crossbows
condottieri heavy infantery
condottieri light infantery

if you need i can send more specific units
regards
Hector

[Skelington The Great]

Chinese Harquebus Mercenaries? No idea about the reality of such, but they'd be cool. (available by 1400?)

I have to second the mention of mounted handgunners, Viking Bondi, and Scandic archers. Great ideas.

[dclare4]

Mounted pistoleers
Dragoons (perhaps the best way to simulate this is making them fire from the saddle. They have to stop to fire anyways so that can simulate dismounting to a certain degree)
Wild Geese (shock Irish infantry with arquebuses and shillelaghs)

I think I listed down the units for Reformation TW in an earlier post...

Best of Luck,
Gilbert de Clare

[Galestrum]

Byzantine Auxileries (light javelin throwing spear infantry - light armor and shield) kinda like kerns

Byzantine Menavlatoi (heavy infantry pikemen)armor piercing anti cav unit

Anatolian Highlanders (similar to Bulagarian Brigands - armed with bows and axes)

Armenian Infantry (similar to ottoman infantry bows and swords)

Pronoai Infantry (feudal men at arms)

[Lord Krazy]

Quote Originally posted by dclare4:

I think I listed down the units for Reformation TW in an earlier post...
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---------------------------------------------May I request you do it again here I
can't find it.

Thanks
Lord Krazy

[Stefan the Berserker]

Eh! I got a nice idea: Paladin!

Make a kind of Kensai-Knight riding on white Horse so he looks like the perfect Knight in those Fairy Tales from Middleages!!!

Paladin: "Myes is gay, but hero we are and fuck you up we can!"

[Stefan the Berserker]

Actually Foresters have something to do with Elves: It are so called "Waldläufer", no idea to translate it but it are Bandits and Pagans who survived through hiding in the deep Woods. People in Germany and Scandinavia oftenly thought that these guys are Wargs (Wearwulfs). So you can make them with these bows...

[Galestrum]

Hey LK ill be giving you detailed report about my units, if you need further info just let me know here and thx for doing this =)

Byzantine Auxiliaries - they throw javelins in (ranged) and use spears in (melee), use the peasant bif. Look and feel should be byzantine, armed with medium shield and spear

missiles good vs armour, poor morale, defend well vs. cavalry, strong charge, weak attack

bldgs. req - town_watch2
unit size - 100
cost - on par with spearmen, support costs fairly low
faction(s) byzantine

Byzantine Menavlatoi - elite byzantine unit, use heavy pikes and shields and are armoured heavily, byzantine look and feel.

large shield, very good defense, armoured, defend well vs cavalry, good morale, disciplined, bonus vs. armoured troops, very good attack, very strong charge

Bldgs req. - Spearmaker3, armourer2
Unit size - 100
faction(s) byzantine

Pronoai Infantry - similar to feudal man at arms in look and weaponry (sword and medium shield)

armoured, good attack, good defense, good morale

bldg. req. - swordsmith 2
unit size - 60
faction(s) byzantine

Armenian Infantry - eastern/islamic/byzantine look and feel, armed with bows, and swords

armed w/ bows, good attack, strong charge, armoured

bldg req - bowyer1, swordsmith1, armor1
unit size - 60
factions - all factions
regions req - lesser armenia, rum, armenia


Anatolian Highlanders - eastern/islamic/byzantine look and feel armed with bows and axes

bonus vs. armoured troops, armed w/ bows, good attack

bldg. req - bowyer2
unit size - 60
faction(s) - all
req region(s) - anatolia

there you go and thanks =)

[CaPeFeAr]

LK, if you could plz make the original units from shogun you would be the hero of online play we miss our old sprites.... so much attention to detail went into the first set of units, they were truly good looking... the no dachi... warrior monk... the ashi... the yari... the cav were better too... 900 yari cav charging at once was sweet.... i still have screenshots of it. seems they spent a lot less time on the unit graphics this time around...

if you could make a stw mod everone would be truly happy if i can help let me know!

[Galestrum]

LK a side note on the Byzantine Menavlatoi unit

Drop the bonus vs. armoured troops stat

and the unit should look something like the italian light infantry

ty again

[Lord Krazy]

Good news for K enough room to put a scythe
and the bif already has
a pitchfork at 141,240,204,247

bad news it has 8 other weapons so that would mean
not using one of the other weapons
as it can only take 8 weapons folders
So to get around this I will put them in the dervish folder .
It only has one unit ,that looks the part too.
I think they look more like celts then Dervish
It has loads of room so I can use this to add new weapons for the peasants.

I'v added 55 units to prod11, deadpage and names.txt so far
so I will get that done tonight more or less
Fell free to suggest more
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Stefan,Galestrum,
thanks very much makes that
things easier.Not sure how to get byzantian
look in peasant.bif ,maybe I'll try
and fix the LtopHelm.bif and add a throwing
animation seen as it's supposed to have
one for the almugarvar who seem to magic
thier javalin into flight .Its not because
they forgot to put the right numbers
in the right folder,no they just plain forgot
to draw it.
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CaPeFeAr,
This is more up baroccas street
thanks to him we know the principle is sound.
Now I'v been thinking ever scince
I managed to add the 90+ units ,that it
would be possible to add all the units
from shogun and I know somebody who wants to do it.I have told him already that I would
help out on this project.He told me about
this hero thing too but I'm to sure about that,look what happened to John Lennon
and you guys kill for fun, he he.
So if it's simply a case of just rearanging
the numbers and CA allow more bifs I'll do it soon .If not we will have to derive a suitable system which will take time.
Either way you will see some of them soon
by hook or by crook.

LK



[This message has been edited by Lord Krazy (edited 10-20-2002).]

[hectogg]

my units request,clarifications

Avar Light Cavalry -Turkish Faction similar
to Turcoman cavalry

Avar Heavy Cav-Turkish Faction similar to Early Ghulan cavalry

Timur Heavy Cavalry -Turkish faction similar
to Mongol heavy cav

Timur Light cav -Turkish Faction similar to
mongol light cav

sicilian mercenary -Hre faction similar to nizar unit

if yu need other clarification,pls inform
im not intened to yu put all my request,but
im happy with put most the units
regards
Hector

[CaPeFeAr]

[Galestrum]

*waits in great anticipation for the unit add ons* =)

[Swoosh So]

I origonally posted the scottish piper, but realising this might not be feasable perhaps some scottish light cavalry, Mounted clansmen

[King David]

For Lord Krazy:

Spanish Caballeros (Knights) light Cav. From Aragon early 14th century
Alan (Turkish) without turbans Infantry
Aragonese Jinetes: Light Cav with Javalin and shield.

All these belong i spanish regions.. And are typical to the Early period of the Game hystoricaly..

Spanish Jinetes that can shoot on and off the horse in late periods... Not with pistols but with the longer range arbuskers or musket, cant recall the name..

Lord Krazy, I would like to learn how you do it...

[Stefan the Berserker]

Gah! I have an easy made new Unit: Bandit Knights!

You know that there were Knights going to raid, so why not make them this way avaribale for Hire n' Fire Units section? I mean this Units you may hire if you got an Inn...

And this way also Muslims may get them, Knights who went Islamic are Historic and funny!

[chilliwilli]

How about a unit that can only be built in flanders that wields on of these:
http://www.liebaart.org/goeden_e.htm

I don't know the name of this type of soldier just the name of the weapon. A goendendag.

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Master Guardian of The Turkish empire for The Oner Order of Ommisions. http://oooo.freewebspace.com/

[This message has been edited by chilliwilli (edited 10-26-2002).]

[Lord Krazy]

Here is list of review_panel and info_pics bifs
to be created and compiled.
This will give you an ides of who's
in the mod so far.
We are not sure what to call it
so for the moment it's called
"The Lords Request Unit Pack"

They are not in any particular order


PeasantClubs.bif

ArmenianInfantry.bif

Feudalbows.bif

CumanArchars.bif

ScotishArcher.bif

SicilianMercenary.bif

Scandinavianarcher.bif

Syrianchristianarcher.bif

AnatolianHighlanders.bif

NormanArcher.bif

MorishCrossbows.bif

GeoneseCrossbows.bif

CumanMercenaryCavalry.bif

TimurHeavyCav.bif

AsiaticHeavyCav.bif

AvarHeavyCav.bif

NormanHeavyCav.bif

BulgarianHeavyCav.bif

GermanKnights.bif

SpanishKnights.bif

NormanKnights.bif

GeorgianCavalry.bif

TimurlightCav.bif

PuztaRiders.bif

WallachianLightCav.bif

SeljukHorseArcher.bif

AvarLightCav.bif

MagyarLightCav.bif

MurabatinSpanishMercenary.bif

ByzantineAuxileries.bif

BretonJavelinmen.bif

NubianJavalin.bif

ScottishPikemen.bif

FlemishPikemen.bif

Schwertlanzer.bif

ByzantineMenavlatoi.bif

HousecarleSpearmen.bif

WelshSpearmen.bif

BonnachtSpearmen.bif

SaxonFryrdmen.bif

RussianWarriors.bif

CondottieriLightInfantery.bif

CondottieriHeavyInfantery.bif

Pitchfork.bif

ChineeseArquebusier.bif

Grenadiers.bif

IrishFootKnights.bif

PronoaiInfantry.bif

Ottomanhandgunner.bif

Vikingbondi.bif

IrishLightHorse.bif

TeutonicFootknights.bif

SantiagoFootKnights.bif

TemplarFootKnights.bif

RoyalFootKnights.bif

HighRoyalFootKnights.bif

LateRoyalFootKnights.bif

Klivanarioi.bif

Hosarioi.bif

Psiloi.bif

Skutatoi.bif

BasqueSpearmen.bif

Peasantsjav.bif

Vollmaie.bif

Alan.bif

UskoksMusket.bif

MountedPistolier.bif

UskoksCAV.bif

SpanishCaballeros.bif

JinetesDeMusket.bif

AragoneseJinetes.bif

Axepeasant.bif

HighlandCavalry.bif


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Ok thats about 70 odd
and we have a few more finished
They all have an entry
in the prod11, dead page,names,descriptions
and an entry for all the icons camp and battle.
I have about 50 or so actionpages
to compile still and then the
I can do the items folder.
When this is done we'll
have 80 odd extra units
not perfect mind you.
I'll then need to sort out
the prod11 properly
and tweak all the other
errors I'm bound to make
Thats when I'll release a provisional
prod and you tell me "NO NA B#%%#$K
they were suposed to be like THIS"
and I'll go finish them off

So by the time the patch comes
we'll have a good little mod
to test it
(well I think so)
Regards,

Lord Krazy

[ick_of_pick]

an idea for the klivonophoroi:
cost: 900
20 of them per unit
charge: 8
melee: 6
defense: 10
armour: 10
moral: 6
first 2 ranks can fight
make them just a tad faster then Kataphraktoi
i saw a picture of a mosaic made by the byzantines showing the emperor and his cavalry and the armour was black, so it would look cool if both the horse and man were covered in black plate armour with a purple blanket under the saddle to represent the emperors unit (purple was the royal color).

[BobBest conte de Toulouse]

Great job LK....amazing....

It will be nice to organize the new units by period:
classical : roman, greek...
dark ages : visigoths, franks...
middle ages...you know...
Napoleonic..

It will be so great to play historical battles that would use these new units..such as austerlitz, or Poitier (with Charles Martel against the muslim invasion...)

just a thought...

[Shahed]

Man Diz Community is even crzier than I thought !!!

Kray u must be totally krazy coz what u got on that web site looks totally cool !!!

Can you please add a Janissary unit:

Janissary Musketeer

This is to follow the historical guidelines wher Janissaries were among the first to use gunpowder weapons. They still carried sords for melee and wielded them fircely once engaged in hand to hand combat.

Consider this a medium Janissary unit with gunpowder range capacity and the melee of an Elite troop, like the Knights.

Awesome work man !

[Latro]

OK. here are some quick links for pics.

Here are two plates from the Osprey Men-at-Arms series.

This sitehas some modern reconstructions of Byzantine equipment.

You might also want to have a look at DBAOL army lists

[Latro]

another nice site, in spanish though.

[Vlad The Impaler]

so , from where i can download this units?

btw Lord Krazy if u need references about wallachian troups e-mail me ;my adress is in my profile

[Caledfwlch]

Lord Krazy, are you only adding historical units, or will you be including some hypothetical units as well.
I only ask 'cos my Wessex Heavy Cavalry might be of some use.