Combat values

[tootee]

Not sure are these mentioned before. Can you guys verified the numbers with F1?

Net melee point = base_melee + (spear=1, pike=2).

Net defend point = base_defend + shield(small=1, large=2, cav=1) * shield_modifier(1, 0.5) * can_use_shield_in_melee(yes=1, no=0) + (spear=1, pike=2)

Net armour pooint = base_armour + shield(small=1, large=2, pavise=3, cav=1) * shield_modifier(1, 0.5)

Got it from target's xls.

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EDIT: Correct typo error.
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[This message has been edited by tootee (edited 09-13-2002).]

[Arkatreides]

That's about right - you also need to factor in valour. However there are certain issues ... check this thread:

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001417.html

and:

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001346.html

[tootee]

The valour bonus is well-known. I just like to confirm on the bonus of spear and pike. As well as the missing armour piercing bonus. I can't find its use or any references to armour piercing in Target's .xls.

These equations are located in worksheet named "Unit Def" Column U, V and W of Target's .xls. It references worksheet named "Tables".


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[This message has been edited by tootee (edited 09-13-2002).]

[Kraxis]

Cavalry shield is only +1, just like small shield. But shields are already factored in.

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[longjohn2]

All these details are in the strat guide, and I've posted them all here too.

but why not agian

Rank Bonus
+1 att per two ranks
+1 def per rank
+1 charge per rank

AP
Something like ( target armour - 3) / 2, but I forget exactly.

The formula in the spreadsheet was what I started off with in the game, but I changed the rank support bonuses as I didn't think they work well enough. I didn't bother changing the spreadsheet formula since that particular column is for info only, and has no effect on anything.

[MagyarKhans Cham]

lets hope its well updated in the latest version of the unit compare tool, v0.2

[tootee]

Thanks LongJohn again!

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[todorp]

Why the mounted crossbows don’t get attack bonus from metal smiths?

I am very puzzeld, is it a bug?

They have swords as well. If they do, it is not shown on the F1 screen in battle mode. I have build metal smiths level 2 and was very disappointed to see no bonus. Explanation please?

[Kraxis]

That was odd... Has anybody else experienced this??? Every unit is supposed to get weapon upgrades.

Longjohn, that AP formula is it a bonus to the units attack or is it how much the defence is lowered? I suppose it is the first, but still.
And does shields count as armour, I know they add armour but is it counted in the equation? I mean then it can be effective to attack from the front as opposed to flank (not rear though).

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[This message has been edited by Kraxis (edited 09-16-2002).]

[todorp]

I have a saved game playing Germans. Very odd indeed, nothing on the F1 screen. What about the other missale units, do they get weapons upgrades from the metal smith?

I am more and more convinced that it is a bug.

I placed a lot of hope in the metal smith weapon upgraded mounted crossbows. Range and melee power combined into one unit.

[This message has been edited by todorp (edited 09-16-2002).]

[Kraxis]

All units should get the upgrade. It is an upgrade to their melee statistics.

I wonder how that has happened.

There is a mail address somewhere. I think it is medievalcrashes@hotmail.com
Try sending it with a description...

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