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    Is it me or does it seem that the men in each unit are spaced too far apart?


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    I think this is a question about mod'ding and should have been made in the appropriate forum.

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    I just think that they should be a little closer shoulder to shoulder.

    I am sorry if this topic is too technical for the general forum area, but many people don't seem to read that area much.

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    Maybe u should put them in close formation...

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    Even in close formation they are a little too far apart.

    I reduced the space between men side to side, not front to back.

    I felt they were too spaced out and took up too much map space.

    I didn't change front to back spacing because they look ok, plus I didnt want them shooting each other in the back of their heads.

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    Well if you don't mind being flanked easily...

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    A very tight formation will make it hard for them to weild their weapons. Maybe a closer formation will do for the spear men and rifles but not the others.

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    Whoah! What a great idea!

    If you like that idea, of making spearmen more tightly packed, then maybe you should check out the Real Deal mod. This is one of the long standing features, one of the many changes made to spears.

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    I did some research, and according to Dr. Steven Turnbull's book "Samurai Warfare" Yari ground troops were spaced one man width apart.

    The closest I could put them was a value of 65.

    Anything lower than that, troops passing through them can get stuck.


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    So you are suggesting that a man could walk freely between the columns of a spear formation?

    Gimme a break.

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    In this game they do, and for your information, yes they could until they unsheathed them.

    In real life, the blades were covered and protected by a scabbard until battle with the enemy was imminent.
    They would lay down their yari and remove the scabbards moments before raising them up to use them to do battle.

    By the way, there are times when I want my men to be able to run through other units.



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    Well, if you put them closer together, apart from it being realistis perhaps, what are the tactical consequences of this change? Can units still move through eachother, esp. can cav troops still move through an infantry unit?
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    Erado: I imagine they could do so only if the infatry unit were in Loose formation.

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    Okay, in real life, passing through a spear unit takes special effort. Basically the spearmen have to part their ranks, something which to do well and with minimum of disruption takes training and good discipline.

    Please enumerate to me the situations in which one would want to pass troops through a spear formation? Then we can look at each one and ponder the realistic consequences of such a maneuver. I think it is fair to say that trying to pass a whole formation of [some unit] through a whole formation of spears is a foolhardy idea. So if this is made impractical by placing the spears closer together, would this be bad?

    I have been playing with the Real Deal stats for a long time now, and I can count on just my fingers the times that men have gotten stuck. Many of these situations resolved themselves, and the others were remedied by a simple loosening of the ranks.

    I might also mention that people getting stuck seemed to happen often enough with normal stats.. if you had many units bunched up and wailing on a Daimyo, for instance.

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    First off Matt, remember I agree with you about putting them closer together,we just have our own preferences as to how much.

    Haven't you ever had a yari unit right behind an archer unit defending a hill?
    And the archer starts firing at an approaching enemy, and the archer unit either gives ground and backs up through the yari unit for protection, or the yari unit charges down through the archers?

    Things like that happen to me all the time.
    I often form long 2 man ranks of archers and yari, working together in that fashion.

    Maybe my tactics are different from yours.

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