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    So you want to make a historical battle do you?
    Perhaps a unit mod?
    Or maybe a full Campaign?

    to get you started here are some Welsh, Scottish and Lithuanian flags with facshields

    http://doragon2.web1000.com/Medieval..._mods/mods.htm
    WARNING - all items on that page are desinged for the demo
    but the flags will work if you follow the example below

    to use a welsh flag in a historical battle check out the following folder in your copy of medieval

    \Medieval\Battle\batinit\Historical Battles\Battle of Bannockburn

    the scottish.tga is assigned to the scottish adf file


    now go here and grab the medieval modding guide,
    http://doragon2.web1000.com/Medieval/indexm.htm
    it's for the demo, but to make your own historical battles the principles in the adf and bdf sections still apply,
    (( right click on each of the four links across the top of the page, save them (webpage complete) to a folder and the pages will all link when you are offline ))

    next i would recommend having a look at King Davids Camelot mod pack
    here
    http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/MTW/Stats.shtml

    Giskards modding guide for campaign's
    here
    http://www.respawn.co.uk/modules....ecid=10

    and finally Wellingtons unit editing guide
    here
    Wellingtons Animation Guide

    if you make a new unit it may need an lbm/icon, there are some that can be used for almost anything at the doragon modding guide,
    and i know The Lords are working on more
    :-)

    there we go,
    that should see you well on the way,
    the hardest part of the learning curve has already been suffered by us poor fools



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]if you make a new unit it may need an lbm/icon, there are some that can be used for almost anything at the doragon modding guide,
    and i know The Lords are working on more
    I'd just like to add
    you also need
    a bif for review_panel icon
    a bif for info_pics
    which go into the campmap folder
    You will get CTD without
    the bifs.
    You can rename existing
    ones in the game or you can use ours
    if you want something different.

    A set of ten has been posted with units
    and more will be posted today.

    LK

    I would also like to add
    us krazy fools

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    Landbridges - how to change
    AND contents of v1.0 loc files


    LBM file info. LukMap files - Strategic Map




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    A lot of these links are broken, notably the unit editing guide, which I need cause I'm considering doing a total conversion (Trying anyway) so...

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    i'll check and update the links - re-indexing the database changes "item" numbers..
    * links fixed - i also pinned the topics... *

    in the meantime..


    This is from the MonkeyMan

    Everything you ever wanted to know about Foot Knights by A.MonkeyMan(but were afraid to ask, or maybe not I don?t know J)

    Foot knights are not available to build in MTW. Foot knights currently only exist in the following circumstances-

    1. A Rebel army, particularly faction re-emergences and sometimes catholic rebellions.
    2. Gothic, Chivalric, Crusading and non early royal knights can dismount all the time, by right clicking on them in the phase before the battle when you are asked to choose a formation for your army.
    3. Other mounted units including early royal knights, feudal knights and in fact any other mounted unit without exception; can dismount as the attacker or defender in a siege situation. Feudal knights and early royals give feudal foot knights, ghulams give Saracen inf., gendarmes give chivalric maa etc. (try a few yourself most give archers, spears or peasants).

    Entries do exist on the map to +1 valour foot knight building areas, this is relevant to entries in crusaders_unit_prod11.txt in the MTW directory in program files and possibly links back to a development indecision on the building of foot knights themselves.

    Regarding foot knights in history ? foot knights although for the most part less used than as mounted versions are a quite valid unit to exist in medieval warfare. Particularly with the advent of gunpowder and weapons like the billhook, halberd, poleaxe and pike that evened up the contest between heavy cavalry and foot troops foot knights became particularly heavily used and started to outnumber their mounted friends. Examples like the wars of the roses including the battle of Bosworth (1485 where Richard III died) knights were almost exclusively on foot with poleaxes, with a few exceptions. Also the 100 years war saw the English knights on foot by preference. Also to take into consideration is the impracticality of transporting horses over bodies of water (play the Hastings historic battle, most knights are foot mounted despite the Normans bringing as many horses as they no doubt could.

    So given this you say ? I want to choose my own rules as to the build ability and use of foot knights. Well here for you is what I know about the modding of such units. Before you start, got to your MTW directory and copy the file crusaders_unit_prod11.txt to a nice safe place. Also do the same for crusader_build_prod13.txt.

    1. I want to make feudal knights (or any other unit) dismountable all the time:

    Go into crudaders_unit_prod11.txt open it in WordPad (or download a excel version of the files and use as they state in their read me, you can probably get one from www.totalwar.org but be aware that this may fail to work with a patched version of the game)

    Search down the entries for the entry for the entry for feudal knights, each entry will probably take two lines and make sure you ignore the entry for feudal foot knights for the time being.

    Once you have found it go right to the end (probably on the second line) and you will find the following ?

    "BerberCamel, bedouincamelwarriors" FeudalFootKnights SWORD

    add in the word YES before sword so you get

    "BerberCamel, bedouincamelwarriors" FeudalFootKnightsn YES SWORD

    note that this should be separated from the words around it by a TAB.

    Now save this and start a game of MTW to test if it works. Note that if you get an error message this normally relates to the correctness of what you entered so either restore your backup version (you remembered to do that right) or go into the file again and amend the spacing between each item you edited, most items should have one tab between them, of the nature that each is an entry in a dataset, and two tabs are required if there is no entry for a particular value so pay careful attention to whats thes before you start.


    2. I Want to be able to build Foot Knights as a separate unit because I think I should have the option and it will make the game more fun.

    In crusader_unit_prod11.txt find the entry for the relevant foot unit you want to build for example purposes I will edit Chivalric Foot Knights.

    Find the entry for ChivalricFootKnights and find the part that looks like-

    CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(108.5)" "DEFENDER, SPEAR, STRONG" "HIGH, LATE" YES "HEIGHT( 85 ),

    Between ?Close to support? and ?defender spear?, two tabs after (108.5) (there are three) place the line

    "{ ROYAL_COURT3, ARMOURER3 }"

    you can do this by typing it as it is here or copying the relevant entry from the mounted knights and removing the need for a horse breeder.

    You should have something like this ?

    CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(108.5)" "{ ROYAL_COURT3, ARMOURER3 }" "DEFENDER, SPEAR, STRONG" "HIGH, LATE" YES "HEIGHT( 85 ),

    Save the file and test in MTW. Other thing of note that you might want to change are the line

    ORTH_ZEALOTS(5)" FRENCH ILE_DE_FRANCE "POVERTY_STRICKEN(17.5),

    Relates to the faction that gets a valour bonus for this unit and the region that gets one. This can be changed but note that each province has only one speciality allowed, if two are given the first occurrence in the unit prod file takes precedence.

    Also of note is the following at the start of the entry

    ChivalricFootKnights INFANTRY 625 8 1 0 80 40 1 PREFERRED

    The first number is the cost of a standard unit so 625 (different in patched version I think). The entry 40 is the standard unit size (ignore the 80 it?s nothing to do with it) this number is multiplied by the unit size in your game so huge 40 * 2 = 80 and the cost is hence multiplied by it too. So for example if you wanted units of 60 knights in standerd costing 1000

    ChivalricFootKnights INFANTRY 1000 8 1 0 80 60 1 PREFERRED

    These would be units of 120 costing 200 in Huge unit sizes.


    3. I want to be able to build Gothic knights and foot knights even though I?m the English because we lack a cool high-tech unit.

    Ok fine, go into crudader_build_prod13.txt. Find the entry for ROYAL_COURT and go to the part (open it with wordpad and it should be only 1 line long):

    ARAGONESE, BURGUNDIAN, DANISH, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, PAPIST, SICILIAN, SPANISH, SWISS},{ITALIAN, GERMAN_HRE}"

    Note that this is the end of the factions that can build each level of the royal_court, with each level having different availabilities, ending in level 4 with only german/hre and Italians. Either copy one of the entries for the lower levels and paste it over the final entry or add in ,ENGLISH. Such that you have:

    ARAGONESE, BURGUNDIAN, DANISH, ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN, PAPIST, SICILIAN, SPANISH, SWISS},{ITALIAN, GERMAN_HRE, ENGLISH}"

    Save this file and close.

    Now go into crusader_unit_prod11.txt and find the entries for gothic knights and gothic foot knights (make these work as noted in no.2 first remembering they require level 4 buildings) and find the line(s)

    "FULLPLAR, YES, YES" "GERMAN_HRE, ITALIAN" "Missile, Shocktroop, Spear, Cavalry"

    and either replace with ALL_FACTIONS (without "s) or add in as before ,ENGLISH.

    Save this file and test.

    Please not that the simple modding of this game is really quite easy with some patience. Merely of - decide what you want to do, find something that exhibits this behaviour and make an educated guess as to what in the relevant files causes it to do this where the thing you want to change does not.

    Well that?s that for now, please tell me if there?s anything wrong with what I have written or if I have forgotten something.



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    I found Giskards' guides helped me a lot .

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    *note I only the part of the first post*

    Is it possible to use the Scootish flag and be able to then use them in campaign? I am confused though, how can these or how do the flags work?
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    I have recently found out by error that one part of the notes at the top of the units text is wrong.

    For the sixth column, it reads "Honour handicap". Well, this column doesn't affect honour, which is another term CA used for morale, IIRC, and it is not a handicap.

    This column gives a valour bonus to units placed on the map by the start position files. Thus setting the value to 9 for peasants will give all such peasants 9 valour.
    In my error, I set the value to 10, and the units were given 9 valour, plus certain other types of units whose values were not changed started with 9 valour. I don't know if this is because I used a number higher than the max allowed in the game, or if the attribute itself is flawed.

    Anyway, I thought this may be very useful in creating super units for something like a LoTR mod.
    Wes Whitaker's Total Modification site:

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    Wes, what does ur mod change do?
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    thats a different subject all together.....anyway, Wesw can you or someone else give me a list of how to put different units in different factions. example{ the gothic foot knights of Germany, to the Polish} thats just an example, thats not what I wanna do....lol. Someone help please
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (Lancer6969 @ June 26 2003,08:33)]thats a different subject all together.....anyway, Wesw can you or someone else give me a list of how to put different units in different factions. example{ the gothic foot knights of Germany, to the Polish} thats just an example, thats not what I wanna do....lol. Someone help please
    Hi Lancer6969, First you need to get a tool for editing the prod 11 files go to the Org's download page and look for Gnome_UnitBuildProj_V2.0 this editor opens the prod 11 ,prod13, and projectiles stats files in an easy to edit format. To change what units are avaialble to what faction go to coumn 50 of Crusader Unit Prod 11, also check out the remaining columns to change a variety of things, being a programmer I am sure you can figure it out. If you need any more help drop me an E-Mail. LOS
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    Hey thanks LOS, you are a big help
    I didn't write criticizing. I wrote criticised. Which is correct, unless you're trying to raise some bizzare nationalist argument; the kind of stupidity requiring some smarts to begin with.

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