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Thread: Descriptions of Nodachi and Naginata - historically based.

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    I found a description of a Nodachi so we can all have a firm clue as to what they are. You all tell me if you wanna wear armor using this thing.

    "An enemy warrior called Saji Magoro, a resident of the province of Tamba, brought his horse up sideways in front of the west gate and easity slashed the bellies of the three enemies with his five-shaku [1.7m] sword."

    1.7 meters... now THAT sucker if gonna be heavy come what may. No amount of grooving or anything else is gonna make it light enough to be tossed around easily. Plus you figure - with a size like that your gonna want some weight, else it won't take much to snap it like a twig.

    Also - found a good little definition of my favorite - Naginata.

    Naginata are a large polearm weapon in the form of a claive. The blade was similar to a sword blade, but it was much wider and fixed on a polearm handle between 3 and 7 feet long. Long slashing strokes were the primary method of fighting, and these weapons could produce really nasty wounds. These weapons were used both in hand to hand combat and against mounted warriors.

    This makes a bit of sense, as using a weapon such as this would be more easily done in armor, as it would allow for slower movement. Also note that the shear length and type of weapon helps explain why naginata infantry are so effective - keeping your enemy at bay means he can't stick you with his katana. It also helps to understand why they stand so well against cavalry, as pole weaponry can harm a horse and rider, although they lack the edge in spearing that goes to Yari troops.

    Just a couple of things I figured might make some sense to folks. Qapla!


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    LOL
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    speaking of large polearms.. Oda Nobunaga supposedly used an 18 foot yari (5.5m). when most other yari were between 10 and 12 feet!

    Also, Minamoto Yoshitsune's (who you should all know of, of course ) retainer Benki is depicted as carrying a HUGE naginata with a blade of 4 feet 8 inches (142 cm) in length and a shaft of 7 feet 6 inches (228cm)!

    we should also get into the nagamaki as it appears the warrior monks use these, not naginatas

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    Here is a quotation of Musashi's Go Rin No SHO......
    In the Wind book he speaks of differant schools and gives his opinion of them....

    "Other Schools Using Extra-Long Swords
    Some other schools have a liking for extra-long swords. From the point of view of my strategy these must be seen as weak schools. This is because they do not appreciate the principle of cutting the enemy by any means. Their preference is for the extra-long sword and, relying on the virtue of its length, they think to defeat the enemy from a distance.
    In this world it is said, "One inch gives the hand advantage", but these are the idle words of one who does not know strategy. It shows the inferior strategy of a weak sprit that men should be dependant on the length of their sword, fighting from a distance without the benefit of strategy.

    I expect there is a case for the school in question liking extra-long swords as part of it's doctrine, but if we compare this with real life it is unreasonable. Surely we need not necessarily be defeated if we are using a short sword, and have no long sword?

    It is difficult for these people to cut the enemy when at close quarters because of the length of the long sword. The blade path is large so the long sword is an encumbrance, and they are at a disadvantage compared to the man armed with a short companion sword.

    From olden times it has been said: "Great and small go together." So do not unconditionally dislike extra-long swords. What I dislike is the inclination towards the long sword. If we consider large-scale strategy, we can think of large forces in terms of long swords, and small forces as short swords. Cannot few men give battle against many? There are many instances of few men overcoming many.

    Your strategy is of no account if when called on to fight in a confined space your heart is inclined to the long sword, or if you are in a house armed only with your companion sword. Besides, some men have not the strength of others.

    In my doctrine, I dislike preconceived, narrow spirit. You must study this well"

    I am just putting this in here for the sake of knowledge....
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    Nice work BSM

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    Nodachi are featured in the Bushido Blade games for PS1, both of which come highly recommended by yours truly. The Nodachi is difficult weapon to use well in the games, but it can be deadly, due to its long reach.

    I must confess, however, to being rather more a fan of the Sabre in Bushido Blade than any of the Japanese weapons, other than the Katana w/ Iaijutsu. Sorry.

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    NOOOOOOO!

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    I may be an infidel, but my fast, deadly four-hit combo with the Sabre is pretty much a guaranteed kill.

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