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[cegorach]

Macsen

FAMOUS_KINGS:: FN_01 1 // Mycenae //name no. comnd, dread, piety, acumen portrait vnv 2, 1, 2, 2, 4, 4, -1, attacker1

Do you know what is the second number's use in the game ? I have no idea - it doesn't seem to affect anything, but it surely does something.

[macsen rufus]

Hi Cegorach,

that's the regnal number of the "famous king" - in this instance it would be "King (name 2) the 1st" - it has to match with the appropriate entry in the "SetStartLeader" line or you can get the "romannumeral" errors.

[cegorach]

Amazingly it has no consequnces in my setting e.g.

FAMOUS_KINGS::	FN_POLISH	4
//name	no.	c	d	p	a	portrait	vnv
1,		1,	1,	3,	5,	3,	-1,			mightywarrior1
6,		3,	2,	2,	4,	6,	-1,			builder3
0,		1,	5,	4,	4,	5,	-1,			mightywarrior3
4,		4,	1,	4,	5,	3,	-1,			defender1

The first king is Zygmunt III, second Kazimierz IV, third Stefan I and the fourth is Jan Kazimierz II - numbers are completely different.

The only wird thing I have noticed that the supposedly random portraits all show the same portrait (king02 - Stefan I ) except the fourth which shows amazingly accurately Jan II Kazimierz himself...

As you know PMTW cannot use fixed king portraits for some reason (contrary to heroes who are fine) so whn it is accurate I can only be glad it is this way...

[macsen rufus]

The "famous kings" thing is a little bit broken, I believe, as I've noticed, and others have mentioned, that any but the first don't seem to pick up the stats correctly. Hence I only ever set one famous king for each faction, who will be the starting king, then just try to set up the "royal names" so that subsequent princes get appropriate names, and hope the succession goes to plan The "later" famous kings are supposed to work IF the king with the right name and the right number just happens to come along, it certainly doesn't "make" him come along.

To be sure what's going on with your Zygmunt III I'd really need to look at your SetStartLeader line, and the "royal names" from the faction names list. I suspect that you are calling your first leader as famous king 1 (as opposed to 0), and that Zygmunt is your seventh name (ie number 6 when starting from 0). I think it might also "work" if the number quoted in the SetStartLeader declaration is HIGHER than the one quoted in your FamousKings declaration. The real problems come when it is LOWER, as this gives the Roman_numerals errors.

King portraits are a real mystery as well, I've found that they don't work too well either - I noticed that the way NTW got around this was just to give each faction a single king portrait - which is fine in as much as you can have your historic starting king with a correct portrait, but then all his successors look exactly the same... Portraits for heroes seem more reliable, but still not 100% - I managed to get Hannibal Barca right in my Punic Wars scenario, but whatever I tried, Scipio Africanus just flat out refused to show up correctly, so there's obviously more subtleties I haven't yet grasped on that front. (And most of what I have learnt came from PMTW )

[cegorach]

The "famous kings" thing is a little bit broken, I believe, as I've noticed, and others have mentioned, that any but the first don't seem to pick up the stats correctly. Hence I only ever set one famous king for each faction, who will be the starting king, then just try to set up the "royal names" so that subsequent princes get appropriate names, and hope the succession goes to plan The "later" famous kings are supposed to work IF the king with the right name and the right number just happens to come along, it certainly doesn't "make" him come along.

That is confirmed by my own results... I have only set 4 kings for 4 major campaigns - I know it is not necessary, but this was my first attempt in this area - in later changes I have stayed with one famous king per campaign...

To be sure what's going on with your Zygmunt III I'd really need to look at your SetStartLeader line, and the "royal names" from the faction names list. I suspect that you are calling your first leader as famous king 1 (as opposed to 0), and that Zygmunt is your seventh name (ie number 6 when starting from 0). I think it might also "work" if the number quoted in the SetStartLeader declaration is HIGHER than the one quoted in your FamousKings declaration. The real problems come when it is LOWER, as this gives the Roman_numerals errors.

It looks this way:

SetStartLeader:: FN_POLISH 0 8 3 3 2 4 1 2 4 1

// 11: polish_forenames
ADD_FORENAMES::
"Stefan"
"Zygmunt"
"Aleksander"
"Wladyslaw"
"Jan Kazimierz"
"Jan"
"Kazimierz"
"Stanislaw"
"Michal"
"Henryk"

So I guess it works just fine thanks to that you have said i.e. higher number.

Portraits for heroes seem more reliable, but still not 100% - I managed to get Hannibal Barca right in my Punic Wars scenario, but whatever I tried, Scipio Africanus just flat out refused to show up correctly, so there's obviously more subtleties I haven't yet grasped on that front. (And most of what I have learnt came from PMTW )

I have a similar problem in ECW campaign, but solved that by setting a new sub folder in Viking directory titled Orthodox (since all factions with fixed portraits are othodox/Protestant there anyway) and put a new Misc folder out there as opposed to the main campaigns which use the 'vanilla' orthodox/catholic/pagan/muslim directories...

This feature didn't exist before 2.0 so it is quite a recent discovery. Maybe this will solve your problems ?

[napman]

Hi people, I'm Falkonfives partner in crime on the 1809 team. Just a question regarding installer programmes. I made one for the 1809 V5 mod and it works great if your using the default directory, if you ain't your in trouble. I used custom install fields for all the files and folders and of course could only point em at where my install is, the default one. Even though you are able to direct the install to another folder, the custom fields take precedence. Any ideas? this is my first skirmish with this kind of thing so any help is greatly appreciated.

[macsen rufus]

Hi Napman,

I took a slightly devious route on this one - I use the "Clickteam" installer, which seems pretty popular (and is free, of course ). In my instructions I include a line to say "make your copy of MTW and rename it to this...", then set up the suggested name as the default install path. I've had very very few problems of people installing it to the wrong folder, so guess it's working okay

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi people, I'm Falkonfives partner in crime on the 1809 team. Just a question regarding installer programmes. I made one for the 1809 V5 mod and it works great if your using the default directory, if you ain't your in trouble. I used custom install fields for all the files and folders and of course could only point em at where my install is, the default one. Even though you are able to direct the install to another folder, the custom fields take precedence. Any ideas? this is my first skirmish with this kind of thing so any help is greatly appreciated.

Hi napman,

as Macsen said, use the clickteam installer.

Here's how I do it:

1. Tell people how to make a copy of the game to install the mod on
   Post this manual at the same place where you announce your download
2. Make "C:\Program files\Medieval - Total War\" the default install path.
3. Make a disclaimer in the installer WARNING people that they need to point the installer at the copy of Medieval they intend to use for the mod
   (if you put it into the license agreement field in click-installer, people need to confirm that.
4. Lay back a second and enjoy the illusion that you've everything covered
5. Prepare for a large number of people who've trouble installing