Getting started

[montaillou]

After hearing and reading so many good things about this game, I've found that, either I'm unusually slow, or the game is very difficult to learn the basics of.

During the "trianing" sessions, I found that when I was told to "click on the flag on the other side of the courtyard", it didn't work, and I kept getting told that I had disobeyed a direct order, bla bla bla.. It was only when I clicked, by chance, much nearer to the viewer that it thought I had clicked on the flag. Also, my units seem completely incapable of going where they're told. So, in the combat part of the training session, I just get completely slaughtered each time; and with no real hints as to how to avoid this, I can't see how I can make any progress. Making use of height advantage and cover is no use, since my men travel too slowly to avoid, eventually, being mown down by the opposition.

So, all in all, very disappointing and frustrating. Has anyone else had these kinds of problem??

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[Anssi Hakkinen]

As for the first issue, this is either a question of not clicking on the flag itself, not on the point where it meets the ground, or a bug.

As for the second issue, we all had that kind of problems, until we learnt to play. The troops won't respond to your commands instantly; they need time to relay the orders among them, and have individual reaction times. This is not C&C.

The best way to win the tutorial's first battle is to retreat ASAP up to the hill's summit. Then turn your company around, switch them to "engage at will" and hold there. The archers will fire on the enemy spearmen, killing many of them as they try to climb up the hill: once they're about to reach you, Alt-doubleclick on them and your men will charge down the hill and decimate them.

"This is the way of using terrain to your advantage."
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War (approximate quotation)

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"The right use of the sword is that it should subdue the barbarians while lying gleaming in its scabbard. If it leaves its sheath it cannot be said to be used rightly."
- Tokugawa Ieyasu: Legacy

[This message has been edited by Anssi Hakkinen (edited 12-21-2000).]

[Draksen]

You should train in the battle mode
(single battles) with little amounts of
koku, to start with small armies.

IMO, it's easier to start like this. You can
this way understand the behaviour, the strengths and the weaknesses of each unit of the game.

Anssi was absolutely right : it's not C&C.

STW is, IMO, twice "deaper" than C&C or
AOK.


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[solypsist]

it also has a lot to do with how far or close your view of the unit is. If you're too far away, the unit won't respond (try reforming from far away and it won't work) so it might help if you move in for a closer look then your commands are issued faster and the unit has a more accurate placement.

[Slyspy]

There is also some kind of technical problem where in the position of the mouse pointer is not right in relation to the screen. Try Eradosan's help site. I'm sure its on there somewhere.

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