Napoleonic Mod

[Lord Krazy]

What's wrong has the cat got your tounge?
I got a better response to the Buffy thread
and that was a joke


BTW if you want to cantact us about this by email
please do so at
TheLords@thelordz.co.uk

You don't have to be a patron
of the ORG to contact us neither.
I am well aware that pleanty of non members
view these boards and your input is welcome too

Regards

LK

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[Dramicus]

Im too lazy to actually try them out, why dont you post some screens of battle?

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Dramicus @ Mar. 09 2003,22:46)]Im too lazy to actually try them out, why dont you post some screens of battle?

Because in that case you'd probably also be too lazy to look at the screen shots.



LK,

What exactly are you planning on in terms of how far your going with this mod. What do you need help with -

1) creating more units
2) prod11/build13/projstats
3) images/icons/buildings (tech tree stuff)
4) loc/eng file changes
5) startpos file changes
6) a new campaign map
7) researching the Nap era

There may be a relatively easy way to do 1) above - creating new units (with different colours for, say, trousers, stripes, epaulettes, plumes etc ) based on your original 7 bifs (same ideas I had with the Lords Romans).

Enough people understand enough of the 3 files in 2) - but it still means a lot of changes to prod11 (in fact almost a complete rewrite).

Major changes to 3) will be required for a Nap mod 'cos it means changing almost everything in MTW so you'll need a few people working on this alone. Still, these changes can be ongoing over time as per Patrician.

If you planning major changes as per 4), 5) and 6) then let me know. A lot of this should be relatively straightforward now.

7) should be straightforward enough. Just a case of changing the prod files really to present more firepower and less melee differences.

Let me know what your planning and I'll see if I can assist in some of the parts - other parts I'll be steering well clear of

Welly

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Dramicus @ Mar. 09 2003,22:46)]Im too lazy to actually try them out, why dont you post some screens of battle?

Bad excuse but however

[Knight_Yellow]

Those are sweet pics.

im looking forward to this1 very mutch

just a thought will the brittish have a "thin red line" formation or a bonus if they do? since i belive that was the standard formation.

[Baron von Beer]

My those are strange looking knights... with those sticks that make a flash, and knock a man down from across the field... sureley it is the Devil at work


Well, if it is.. being evil has never been so good

[Ming the Merciless]

Wow

This has got to be the most promising mod I've ever seen for Medieval I always wanted someone to do this theme. Really looking forward to this one

Lord Krazy: When do you think it will be finished?

Also, what are you planning in the way of artillery? I would really like to see a galloper-gun (you know a horse-drawn light cannon which can move and deploy) and I think it would fit in with the time period, Is this possible?

Thanks for such great work LK

[Dramicus]

Quote[/b] (Wellington @ Mar. 09 2003,23:10)]Because in that case you'd probably also be too lazy to look at the screen shots.

true, true......


LK: NICE those are SWEET, errm, maybe I should try em out....

[Lord Krazy]

This is what they look like.

[Knight_Yellow]

just a thought but can we get some highland regiments?

i mean plenty scotts fought for old britania in their own regiments.

[Brother Derfel]

OOOhhhhh cool 95th rifles there LK Lol, you could have a hero Richard Sharpe (anyone else read the Bernard Cornwell novels?)

And Knight Yellow has a point, there were a great many Scotish regiments, and a third of the British army at the time was actualy Irish

This looks fantastic, best and most promising Mod i have seen so far.

If you do some Imperial Guard Marmaluks I will love you for ever (well at least be happy for a while)

[Knight_Yellow]

now cumon u know u have to have at least 1 guy with a bag pipe now or maybe a bag pipe unit -2 moral to the enemy maybe?

[Lord Of Storms]

LK I am currently assisting Welly on a Holyland mod in conjunction with LMM devolopment, but if you need someone to work in Startpos/Names etc. I am your man after all you need someone to change the stuff in the "curly brackets" LOL

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Dramicus @ Mar. 10 2003,16:59)]Found it

Had to use my 1337 moding skillz but I found and fixed the prob...

you had a folder called "Actionpages" where it needed to be named "ActionsPage" .... nothing big, but it does stop the anyone from using it....

Well done you see your not that lazy after all.

It was not meant for the anyones
but I get your point.

Your very demanding for a lazy person

[Alrowan]

ooohhhhhhhhhhh

that looks awesome.. we need to play some online

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Mar. 10 2003,17:56)]now cumon u know u have to have at least 1 guy with a bag pipe now or maybe a bag pipe unit -2 moral to the enemy maybe?

Why just the enemy?

A bagpipe unit could be made
but I'm not going to as I have better things to do
thank you.

Like dancing cannons

LK

[Alrowan]

well i got bored and changed all the european battle music to fit the Napoleonic era.. bagpipes piping, whistles blowing, drumms rolling... the whole lot. If you want it its only a small 7MB so ill see where i can dump it for download

[Dramicus]

Quote[/b] (Lord Krazy @ Mar. 10 2003,21:20)]Your very demanding for a lazy person

ohh, now your asking for it...

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Lord Krazy @ Mar. 10 2003,23:07)]

Quote[/b] (Brother Derfel @ Mar. 10 2003,16:29)]a third of the British army at the time was actualy Irish

I know of the these Irish regiments
Name followed by regiment number

Royal Irish 18

Inniskilling 27

Royal County Down 86

The Prince of Wale's Own Irish 87

The Connaught Rangers 88

The Prince of Wale's Tipperary 99


His royal bla bla bla The County of Dublin 100

The Duke of Yorks Irish regiment 101

That's 8 out of 104 I know of
Which is less than 10%

This is what I know it does not mean I'm right.
Just wondering what you base your ratio on?

LK

The ratio came from the Osprey book on wellingtons infantry i think. It doesn;t just refer to the actual Irish regiments, but also the fact that a good deal of English and Scotish regiments also had irish soldiers in their ranks. Wide spread poverty in Ireland at the time forced many young men into the army of their 'hated' oppressors.....

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (Lord Krazy @ Mar. 10 2003,23:07)]

Quote[/b] (Brother Derfel @ Mar. 10 2003,16:29)]a third of the British army at the time was actualy Irish

I know of the these Irish regiments
Name followed by regiment number

Royal Irish 18

Inniskilling 27

Royal County Down 86

The Prince of Wale's Own Irish 87

The Connaught Rangers 88

The Prince of Wale's Tipperary 99


His royal bla bla bla The County of Dublin 100

The Duke of Yorks Irish regiment 101

That's 8 out of 104 I know of
Which is less than 10%

This is what I know it does not mean I'm right.
Just wondering what you base your ratio on?

LK

LK,

Correct, but let's not forget the cavalry -

- 4th (Royal Irish) Dragoon Guards
- 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons
- 18th King's Irish Hussars


BD,

Whilst there is no doubt that the numbers of Irish and Scottish soldiers (and perhaps also Welsh) who served in the British Army during the Napolionic wars was a far greater per-quota ratio for their nationalities ...

... the proportion of Irishmen in the British Army has NEVER approached a figure of 33% - or anything near.

If you consider the populations of England/Wales, Ireland and Scotland during this period you'll arrive at a ratio of roughly 80:10:10 for the nationalities mentioned above.

There is no doubt that both the Irish and Scottish contributed far greater numbers per head of population. I would suggest (very roughly speaking) an average of around -

- 15% for Irish recruits
- approaching 20% for Scottish recruits
- the remaining 85% being English or Welsh

Very commendable considering the times, but nowhere near approaching 33%

In deference to the quality of the Irish and Scottish recruits who fought in Wellingtons armies (that is - THE Wellington - not me&#33 there is no doubt they were tough opponents and aquitted themselves well when in the brunt of it.

Welly

Welly

[Ming the Merciless]

So when do you think the mod will be out? As either a beta or finished thing?

BTW what are you going to have in the way of artillery?

I was a bit disappointed the next total war game wasn't going for the napoleonic wars (but I have to admit the screenshots for Rome TW look very good)

Keep up the good work LK

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] ]The ratio came from the Osprey book on wellingtons infantry i think. It doesn;t just refer to the actual Irish regiments, but also the fact that a good deal of English and Scotish regiments also had irish soldiers in their ranks. Wide spread poverty in Ireland at the time forced many young men into the army of their 'hated' oppressors

That would mean that twice as many Irish soldiers
served in english and scottish regiments
than in irish regiments, including the cavalry.
I don't think so.
Like Welly mentioned the Irish percentage never reached
33%, by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote[/b] ]- 4th (Royal Irish) Dragoon Guards
- 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons
- 18th King's Irish Hussars

I didn't forget them they just don't make odds to the
argument.

The 18th and the 8th were (light dragoon) hussars
but I tought the 8th was the
The King's Royal Irish (light dragoons)Hussars

Quote[/b] ]If you consider the populations of England/Wales, Ireland and Scotland during this period you'll arrive at a ratio of roughly 80:10:10 for the nationalities mentioned above

That would mean that the famine never took place
in Ireland.Or the population of England was around
80 million.Either way I can't agree.I know for a
fact the famine took place.I know for fact that the population was never 80 million.

If you consider the British census at the time
accounted for about 8 million and they never
bother to do it certain places,
(like where the natives lived)
God only knows how many people lived in Ireland
at the time.The mortality and emigration rates
for the period dictated that at least 7 million
people lived in Ireland in this period.
It is estimated that 50% of the population
either perished or left due to starvation.
3.5 million is the estimated number
in the late 19th century when the famine period ended
finally. So 20% to 30% population I could believe
but members of the army not.
If you consider the devistating famine period
was not till the 19th century times in Ireland
in the 18th century would have been much better.
If you also consider the fact that the 15th 16th and 17th
centuries in Ireland were abysmal.
Lizzy, Olly, the French guy from Holland
all a bundel of laughs and out to improve
public relations on a grand scale.
I would say fighting for anyone let alone the british wasn't
high on priorities.I know a lot of Irish people have fought for and still fight for the British army but not in great numbers and not soly for ecconomic reasons.
At the Battle of Waterloo for example I know
of only two Irish regiments that fought
that day.Both from Inniskilling , a place then and still
to this day with a very British population.
They did because they got paid and they wanted to.
To my knowledge the fact that so many Irish served in the
British army at the time was due to the fact at lot of Irish
people were around at the time.Remember Dublin was the
second city of the British Empire not Edinburgh
or Cardiff.

The points of view often differ from place to place.
Deciding what the ethnic make up of the British
army could be debated to high heaven as many others.
As for giving one ethnic grouping an advantage
or difference to another that's not on.
If you get 600 Irish guys and 600 english guys
give them the same training the same weapon
line them up on a level playing field
and tell them to open fire, who do you think will
do the more damage?
So musket units will be musket units with the same stats
and Hussars will be Hussars no matter where they come from.

Different regiments can be named as such for each region
drawing from the same source files, so if you had
10 regions in france you could have 10 or more
individualy named regiments.
But the only difference will be weapon, moral, experiance
Leadership and the lay of the land.
Where they come from is not a factor.
____


LK

[kyodai-britishbeef]

this looks really good, i love the napoleonic era and have a good load of knowledge, but unfortunatly am not talented enough to help you with your mod (my skillz are strictly limited to historical battles and maps), but good luck with it lads , maybe i will make some maps for multiplayer

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Ming the Merciless @ Mar. 11 2003,16:46)]

Quote[/b] ]So when do you think the mod will be out? As either a beta or finished thing?

I told you three days ago that we had started work
on this mod.Now you want too know when it will be finished.

I haven't seen daylight for a while so
when I find out what day it is, I'll do a quick estimation.
Is it still march?

LBA said not tomorrow for sure so check back after that


I can't honestly say.
All I know is that the team we need to get the
show off the road is already near full strength.
The fact that Welly is all hands on deck
is like having a brigade of dragoons
behind you. So we are confident you will see an offering sooner rather than later.The fact that we have tought long and hard about this means that we already have a sence of
direction and purpose.We are still open for discussion
and inovation but we are not short of ideas or knowledge.

So keep your socks on and I asure you
when we know such things so shall you.

Quote[/b] ]BTW what are you going to have in the way of artillery?

I was thinking cannon myself

Or do you mean how are we going to manouver
them around the vast maps of mtw
One option is to make a cavalry unit
give it cannon as a weapon and put cannon in the stand frames.This will enable battaries of cannon also.
I haven't heard too many alternatives.

Quote[/b] ]I was a bit disappointed the next total war game wasn't going for the napoleonic wars (but I have to admit the screenshots for Rome TW look very good)

Well it had to go one way or the other
and we were bound to go the other
as varity is the spice of life

The screen shots look fantastic
Have you asked when they will be finished btw?

Would you believe it?

Anyway the less I sit here chatting to you guy's
the quicker you'll see it.


Thanks for the kind words and it is nice to know other people are as anxious as us to see this
mod work and fill it's potential.

LK

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (kyodai-britishbeef @ Mar. 12 2003,03:14)]

Quote[/b] ]but unfortunatly am not talented enough to help you with your mod (my skillz are strictly limited to historical battles and maps),

KB
This is a contradiction in terms.
Your not talented enough to help
yet you are skilled in battles and maps
(to say the least)

What makes you think we do not desire
maps and battles designed for the period.

Quote[/b] ]maybe i will make some maps for multiplayer

Exactly.Then you could write some battles to put on them.

btw if talent was a criteia I would not be here.
I just press the buttons according to the help file
and some thingie in my computer sorts it all out somehow
Work and determination is all I have to offer.
That's all it takes IMHO.
So get to work

LK

[NagatsukaShumi]

Hello LK. If i can help you in anyway just drop me a line, i know i am back to making my own MOD but as a thanks for sticking by me in the previous attempts i would like to help you some way, i cant help in anything but making units, changing the map and modding the units stats, i can do Loc Eng, battles, maps and images stuff like that, so if you ever need any help i will be glad to help you out, plus i'm ill at the moment so i need something to do to occupy me while i am actually awake and moving about and not doing my own MOD.

[kyodai-britishbeef]

hehe , ok i see your point LK , i will definetely sort some maps and battles out , and if u require any testing let me know

[Ming the Merciless]

Well, that put me in my place

You should be flattered that I'm so desperate to find out when it will be released

What I meant about artillery, as you guessed, was whether there would be horse artillery, but also whether howizters would be included. Not being a modder myself I wouldn't know if howizters were possible, but you could have a cannonball projectile which explodes into a naptha-like explosion. The explosion time being dependant on crew skill and a random factor.

Oh yeah, erm.. when will it be finished

*starts to run knowing he's going to get hit soon*

[Wellington]

A very quick response in respect of 2 questions that have raised pertaining to this mod -

Q1: I would like to help but I don't know anything What can I do?

A1: Does'nt matter. Whether or not you know anything (as regards MTW modding or the Napolionic era) is totally irrelevant. Knowledge is NOT relevant. Interest, enthusiam and willingness are FAR MORE IMPORTANT. Anyone who wishes to help/contribute WILL be given as much assistance as possible. After all, is'nt this the purpose of such a modders group/forum?

Q2: How long before something is deliverable?

A2: It all depends on yourselves. There are sufficient people already to ensure the success of this mod. All that remains is efficient planning/organisation to ascertain what can be achieved with peoples time/resources.

My own personal opinion is that something entirely different can be provided within a period of 4 to 8 weeks. The more people interested in this mod anmd whom wishto contribute - the shorter the time.


I'll say again (as I always do&#33 - we don't care how much you know. This is a modders forum, and as such anyone who has a basic interest or enthusiasm will be assisted as much as possible - and if they ar'nt then I'm a liar


I'll post something in 1 day or 2 in respect of the areas that could use a little investigation in respect of a mod of this undertaking. Whether you are a 'newbie' or someone who knows a little bit about MTW is totally irrevelant.

ENTHUSIASM and WILLINGNESS are important - not knowledge or expertise.

Welly

[Lord Of Storms]

I have looked at some Napoleonic related sites and I find the period to be very interesting alot of diversity of units and countries involved I am learning alot.